PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4231 posts, RR: 89 Posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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04:00 17Nov2000 UPDATE 1-JAL <9201.T> swoops for 10 Boeing planes
(Updates with details throughout)
TOKYO, Nov 17 (Reuters) - Japan Airlines Co Ltd (JAL) said on Friday it would buy 10 Boeing aircraft for an undisclosed sum to replace older models, a move resulting in a 10 billion yen ($91.92 million) cut in annual group costs.
Japan's largest airline said it plans to replace its 10 MD-11 models with two 767-300ERs and eight 777-200ER planes between 2002 and 2004.
The 777-200ER has greater seat capacity and can fly non-stop from Tokyo to the East Coast of the United States or to Europe. Operating costs are similar to the MD-11.
The Boeing 767-300ER will fly medium- and short-range international routes. Its operation costs are lower than the MD-11 due to higher fuel efficiency.
The new aircraft offer up to 400 seats compared with up to 300 in the old model.
Extra capacity and lower fuel costs would generate the cost savings, it said.
JAL's shares received a 1.64 percent lift to 496 yen by 0350 GMT on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, while the benchmark Nikkei stocks average slipped 0.33 percent. The news had little impact on the airline's share price.
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Steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1412 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
here we are another case of major airlines shifting to the B777 to replace MD-11 and/or B747 classic, as recently did Alitalia with the order for 6 B777-200ER and the option for 6 B777-300ER.
Anyway, I'd love to see JAL B777s in Rome even if the 744 are cooler.
Pacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
JAL's cattle class is extremely uncomfortable and now, fitting 400 people in a 772 is insane! JAL has poor legroom and uncomfortable seats!
Have they got rid of their horrible DC10's yet? The interior was very yellow from extreme old age!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
I think the "up to 400" seats is more of an editorial comment about the theoretical maximum seats the 777 can offer in comparison with the MD-11 (which is absurd because the MD-11 can also be stuffed with 400 seats). Its just another case of the press getting the facts wrong.
Unless JAL is flying its 777-200ERs on highly packed domestic runs (unlikely), they will not have 400 seats.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6723 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
This does make a lot of sense for JL and LN-MOW is probably right, this is where some of UPS's MD-11s will come from. But UPS also has options for 30 more MD-11s so there could be more deals like deals. Could KLM be next ? The777Man
Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
Jderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1760 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
looks as though DFW will be getting either the 777 or the 744...does anyone know what JAL currently flies into DFW?? last summer i saw both the MD-11 and 744 during a week..i'm kindof confused as to which is the regular visitor...thanks
Red Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
It's a sensible move for JAL, I think. 767-300ER has less pax capacity than MD11 while 772ER has more pax capacity than MD11. JAL is using 763ER and 772ER to complement each others on the routes used to be served by MD11. JAL can adjust which a/c should be used for which routes based on seasonal demand. This gives JAL more flexibilty in fleet arrangement.
Regarding the 400 seat arrangement in 772, I think it should not be too crowded for Japanese. [j/k] actually I quite like the 3-3-3 arrangement on JAL's current 772 and 773. It's way better than 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 arrangement. 2-5-2 arrangement just "stupid". Who is going to sit in the middle seat in the middle column?! At least I won't. Imagine it, no aisle; no windows.
Fanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
Since when are the operating costs of a 777-200 and an MD-11 similar? Nice Job Reuters. Then the author says later, "Extra capacity and lower fuel costs would generate the cost savings" Let's see, the operating costs are similar, but the plane would generate cost savings. Try again Reuters. Am I being too picky? It seems like this would be easy to report correctly. Maybe the author didn't proof read his/her article to see if it made sense.
SRA330-223 From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1894 times:
Just a question ?!
The report of Reuters says that JAL would replace their MD-11 fleet by 777-200ERs that will join the fleet in about two years.
Is it not better, JAL would first replace their pretty old DC-10 fleet before getting rid of the much newer MD-11 fleet ? I believe that JAL will probably first replace the DC-10s that serve charter destinations like Guam, Hong Kong or Saipan and then get rid of the trijets !
Does it make sense to replace much newer aircraft like the MD-11 instead of getting rid of DC-10 that are nearly 20 years old ?
Salsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
I am very disappointed about JAL to sell its MD11s.
I know that it is a good decision for their business,
but as a big tri-jet (DC10 & MD11) fan, it is very sad....
Wherever the J-birds (MD11s) are going, I hope they
can enjoy lest of their lives.
For those people who are considering about its "OLD" DC10s,
JAL has already made a contract with a trading company,
NISSHO IWAI Co., to sell all its DC10s. Some of them
retired form JAL already, and rest of them will retire by 2005.
(I read this on Japanese newspapers.)
By the way, please donft say DC10s are OLD!
They are still cute and cool. Arenft they?
SRA330-223 From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1759 times:
If JAL introduces the already ordered B777-300ER they will probably get rid of old Boeing 747 models such as the series -200 still used on routes to Australia, Europe, South America and Asia. The Boeing 747-300s will probably remain a little longer in JALs fleet because they began to refit some of them with a new Economy Class including PTVs !
Raggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1006 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
Any thoughts on powerplant on the 772ERs ?
will they get PW4000s or GE90s
The eight 773ER they have order will have GE90-115Bs, but will they choose the same engine on the 772ERs as the 773s the currently operate..?
what do you think?
I think they`ll be PW powered.
N949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
So, it now appears that JAL will be keeping their DC-10 even longer than its descendant the MD-11. But then, with the MD-11 in such high demand as cargo conversions, JAL is probably getting very good resale values on their '11s, so perhaps we shouldn't be that surprised.
I just flew JAL's DC-10 last month, and I am sorry to say that they DO feel old on the inside. The seating is 2-5-2, with no overhead storage bins over the center 5-seat section. The seat is of the old type with the oxygen masks stowed within the seatback (seat pitch is fine, though). Worst of all, the seat cushion have lost all its supportiveness -- I can feel the metal frames of the seat with my behind!!!
JAL's service is as always, friendly and attentive. However, I do feel that the condition of the cabin itself mars the flight experience, and JAL should definitely do something about it if they intend to keep their '10s for several more years.