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What's Going On With DL 738's  
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

I remember reading that DL asked the bankruptucy judge to let them reject the leases on several 738's. What's the latest on that? What is going to happen to those birds? Any idea who would take them if DL returns them?

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Quoting LV (Thread starter):
I remember reading that DL asked the bankruptucy judge to let them reject the leases on several 738's. What's the latest on that? What is going to happen to those birds? Any idea who would take them if DL returns them?

To my knowledge DL didn't reject any 738 leases. In fact if I recall correctly they own all their 738s. They did terminate the leases on all their old 732s and 733s and they have since left the fleet last fall. As for the 738, they are very happy with it from what I've been told. They have however for financial considerations deferred taking any new deliveries of 738s from Boeing until next year and are selling what was due to them to third parties this year, and actually making some much needed revenue in doing so. But this can't go on since DL is in need of more mainline equipment to pick-up on the success of many of the CRJ/EMB routes they have pioneered with their regional affiliates like Shuttle America and SkyWest. Expect DL to take more deliveries of 738s during 2008 along with some conversions of their 738 options to 125 seat 737NGs.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8045 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):

I agree with SLCUT2777 said. From what I hear they are very pleased with its capabilities, otherwise they wouldnt have excerised more options for delieveries.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
Expect DL to take more deliveries of 738s during 2008 along with some conversions of their 738 options to 125 seat 737NGs.

I forsee DL actually leasing back some of the birds they're selling, but time will tell.

As for the 73Gs, config is still up for debate but latest I heard was 12/112.

g



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User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

I was under the impression that DL would not take anymore 738's for the time, instead they are selling the 38 they would be getting for 10 737-700. Is this not true?

User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

DL should get winglets on its 738s.

User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

When are their 737-700s scheduled for delivery, and how many have been ordered?


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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
When are their 737-700s scheduled for delivery, and how many have been ordered?

According to wikipedia, they ordered 10 737-700s, but I can't find the delivery date....


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 4):
I was under the impression that DL would not take anymore 738's for the time, instead they are selling the 38 they would be getting for 10 737-700. Is this not true?

All they're actually doing is converting some of their options for the 738 to get some of the 737-700 models. There are some routes that just don't justify 150 seats.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
As for the 73Gs, config is still up for debate but latest I heard was 12/112.

It is essentially the same as a WN "Cattle-Carrier" only with a first class cabin (12 seats) that takes it down to 124-125 seats total.

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
When are their 737-700s scheduled for delivery, and how many have been ordered?

If I recall correctly 10 have been ordered for delivery, with the first coming in 2008.

Delta @SLC



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
All they're actually doing is converting some of their options for the 738 to get some of the 737-700 models. There are some routes that just don't justify 150 seats.

Actually, it's a little bit more complicated than that. Out of the 50 738s DL still has on order, 48 will be sold upon delivery to a third party, likely even at a profit for DL, and only the last two on order will be delivered to DL in 2009. The order for the 10 73Gs is actually a new order on top of their existing orders.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Ah, so I misunderstood things. They aren't getting rid of exsisting frames, they are just selling off frames in production/ production slots. And they could possibly be leasing frames already on order. Now I get it. I wondered why they would get rid of the 738s. To armchair CEO here, it seems like you could do international expansion by moving 757s to thinner routes and opening up new routes (South America). That would also free up 767s for expansion in Africa and South America (although Im sure the big bad Eagle would have something to say about that). There are some routes that get 757s that I think could easily go to 738 service, maybe with an extra frequency or two, like ATL-RSW, JAX, ONT.
Glad to hear they are getting 73G's, I thought the 738 was a bit overkill to put on MD80 routes, which made me think a lot of places, like IND, would go to being CRJ or 170 stations only. I would be fine with 170s, but the thought of CRJ's, well that's enough to keep me away from Delta


User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Out of the 50 738s DL still has on order, 48 will be sold upon delivery to a third party

Hmm...any chance for YX to pick up a few frames to replace their MD80s?

Josh



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 10):
Glad to hear they are getting 73G's, I thought the 738 was a bit overkill to put on MD80 routes,

The difference betwen the MD-88 and the -800 is 8 seats. I'm not sure I would characterize that as overkill.

Quoting Jogales (Reply 11):
Hmm...any chance for YX to pick up a few frames to replace their MD80s?

Why would they? Doesn't seem like it would fit their fleet plans.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

the 737-700s are being acquired for performance...not the smaller size. It never makes sense to buy a smaller aircraft from the same family just to have fewer seats because the cost for the smaller sibling is usually very close to the larger sibling.

DL will likely use the 737-700s for high altitude S. American routes as well as short runway airports in the Caribbean and in the Rockies.


User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 10):
To armchair CEO here, it seems like you could do international expansion by moving 757s to thinner routes and opening up new routes (South America).

I was thinking the same thing. I was actually assuming they would get some 900ERs for dense domestic routes normally served by 757-200s. DL wants to keep this international expansion up to keep up with CO @ EWR.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7204 times:

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 5):
DL should get winglets on its 738s.

Last i heard they had ordered winglets for the -800's the -700s are being delivered with them already installed.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 10):
There are some routes that get 757s that I think could easily go to 738 service, maybe with an extra frequency or two, like ATL-RSW, JAX, ONT.

With the exception of ONT, I disagree with you. ATL-RSW and JAX could go out overbooked on 767s (and have). Last I heard, DL has cut all widebodies into JAX, which suggests that they really need them elsewhere. JAX-ATL flights are regularly overbooked even on the 763s.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 15):
Last i heard they had ordered winglets for the -800's the -700s are being delivered with them already installed.

Great! That'll definately help save them on fuel costs! They should put winglets on their 757s, 763ERs, and 772ERs as well (the 764ERs and the 772LRs to come already have raked wingtips).


User currently offlineKingAirMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

im on the redeye from SFO-CVG on a 737-800 soon on DL.... yay....

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Is DL installing the AVOD IFE on the 738s? I read somewhere they did, but I'm not sure.

-A



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 19):
AVOD IFE on the 738s

Last I heard that was just the 777/767/757s.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Actually, it's a little bit more complicated than that. Out of the 50 738s DL still has on order, 48 will be sold upon delivery to a third party, likely even at a profit for DL, and only the last two on order will be delivered to DL in 2009. The order for the 10 73Gs is actually a new order on top of their existing orders.

That seems like an awful lot of capacity they thought they would need that now they won't have. How did they wind up with 38 more 737s on their hands than they can afford? That's practically a small airline.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 17):
They should put winglets on their 757s, 763ERs, and 772ERs as well

For the last two types, they would have trouble as this option is not offered by Boeing...



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User currently offlineHigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 17):
Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 15):
Last i heard they had ordered winglets for the -800's the -700s are being delivered with them already installed.

Great! That'll definately help save them on fuel costs! They should put winglets on their 757s, 763ERs, and 772ERs as well (the 764ERs and the 772LRs to come already have raked wingtips).

The 'new' ex-TWA/AA 75's coming later this year are being delivered with winglets as are the new build 737-700's. Most of the 738's will be retrofitted over time, but there are a few early-build 738's that cannot be retrofitted due to the wing not being able to take the winglet without structural reinforcement.


User currently offlineMd95 From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

For your infos here are some details. The first 4 738-8BK will be sold after delivery to CIT Leasing and will go to Sunwing (C-FTJH), Flyglobespan (G-CEJO, G-CEJP) and Sky (TC-SKH). Unfortunately I don't have the delivery dates.


dario
User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 4):
I was under the impression that DL would not take anymore 738's for the time, instead they are selling the 38 they would be getting for 10 737-700. Is this not true?

Here is the DL press release outline delivery dates and numbers.

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10478


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