AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 721 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4334 times:
what do you think the future of the 777-200/-200ER will be now that the -200LR is available and the 787 on it's way (not to mention the, at least in my opinion, sudden jump in popularity of the 777-300)? I'd think the -200 types will continue to sell in the short term, but once the 787 it's the market the -200/-200ER are probably dead in the water. Any opinions?
I know this topic has been discussed several times before, but I haven't seen it for a while and now that the 787 is making clear progress I figured I'd bring it up again.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 11166 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4285 times:
I definitely agree that the 777-200 market is virtually dead. It is no better than the 767-200. The plane lacks range an the airlines that operate short haul 777 routes seen to not be ordering tons more.
The 777-200ER will probably still see some orders as existing customers supplement their fleet as they need more planes for growth. I would doubt that there would be many new customers.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33962 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2): I would doubt that there would be many new customers.
Probably not, since a 772LR costs little more then a 772ER (about $3 million per AVITAS) and that is chump-change considering the improvement a 772LR offers in economics. So if you're "starting fresh", the 772LR is a better choice.
Where I could see new-build 772ERs going to new customers would be with airlines that do not fly the 777 and are looking to take 772ERs from current operators as they are replaced with 787s and A350XWBs. As such, they would probably want 772ERs to have commonality with those eventual additions.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3138 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
The 772ER can handle almost any route being flown today. The 772LR will allow for a few additional routes, but at what cost?
I believe the 772LR is a niche aircraft that may go the way of the 747SP as it has the engines of the 773ER with a lot fewer seats. While the 787-8 and 9 have fewer seats, they both have longer range than the 772ER, meaning it will negate some of the routes that the 772LR will operate vs. the 772ER.
The loss of 6 LD3's for fuel additionally makes the aircraft viable only on niche ultra-long haul markets. If an airline can find a ultra-long haul route with dense cargo, then maybe it's a good way to go. But, will a carrier be able to find several of these markets so they can purchase a subfleet of these aircraft??
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3878 times:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 5): On the topic of the non-ER -200s, Line #635 (for JAL) will probably be the final 777-200 to be assembled
Outside of Japan, that's probably a safe bet, but so long as the Everett line is producing 777s, NH or JL may opt for non-ER 772/773s when the 744D replacement is due early next decade.
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4): Was NZ the last new 777 operator to choose the 772ER?
That currently would belong to TAAG Angola.
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2): definitely agree that the 777-200 market is virtually dead. It is no better than the 767-200.
Huh? When was the last pax 762 made? When was the last 772/ER delivered? Big difference if you care to look it up.
While 772/ERs aren't being delivered in great numbers over previous years, they will be manufactured here and there until the end of the decade. Beyond that, it is difficult to see, but as long as the 777 line is cranking 772s can definitely manufactured for whoever wants one.