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FlyBe Acquisition Of BA Connect Complete  
User currently offlineKA501 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

On website http://www.flybe.com/news/0703/02.htm

46 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Will AMS see more FlyBe's? My kid works for their handling agent  Cool


I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

 Wow! BA Connect MAN-JFK is one of the flights being axed... Maybe we're going to see a VS announcement soon?

For the doubters who must see where I got the info from  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

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Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
BA Connect MAN-JFK is one of the flights being axed... Maybe we're going to see a VS announcement soon?

For the doubters who must see where I got the info from

I cannot find such a statement in the link stated.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
I cannot find such a statement in the link stated.

Likewise.
I was of the understanding that BA would continue MAN-JFK using LHR crews



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
I cannot find such a statement in the link stated.

Nor me? BA1503 (MAN-JFK) on 16MAR is looking like this so far. That's a date where other BAcon flights are axed:

Sales Availability at: 5 Mar 2007 10:14:49 GMT
Depart Duration
MAN 7 hrs 45 mins

Cabin Capacity* Available†
Club 24 16
World Traveller Plus 24 14
Traveller 141 34
B767-300ER


Then on 16APR she looks like this:

Sales Availability at: 5 Mar 2007 10:17:41 GMT
Depart Duration
MAN 7 hrs 45 mins

Cabin Capacity* Available†
Club 24 20
World Traveller Plus 24 13
Traveller 141 24
B767-300ER


So who knows yet, it's not doing badly for them if it stays? In other news:

"BA has also confirmed that it is in exclusive talks with Aviance UK, the UK’s largest independent ground handling company, about a transfer of its ground handling operations at Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Manchester airports."

[Edited 2007-03-05 11:23:42]


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

The MAN-JFK 767 service will continue but using BA Mainline crews. It has not been sold to FlyBe and is definitely not cancelled.

User currently offlineBMIE70 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):

I can back Daleaholic up, there was for about 30mins or so (from about 9.25) such a statement but this was later removed. Presumably after a panicked phone call from BA!

(Edited for spelling)

[Edited 2007-03-05 11:28:02]

[Edited 2007-03-05 11:28:23]

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Quoting BMIE70 (Reply 7):
can back Daleaholic up

Thanks. I think this is another case of the media putting 2 and 2 together and ending up with 5. Sorry about that folks  Wink



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User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Alright, now it will be interesting to see the fleet evolution over the next months.
They said they want to get rid of the ERJ-145s as soon as possible, I wonder how long it will take...
How many new planes (Q400s and ERJ-195s) are Flybe set to receive in 2007?



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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

LGW-INV and LGW-IOM will go to BE now of course but according to BAA website both routes are operating from the North terminal today, does anyone know when they move to the South and are BA still checking in/boarding/meeting the INV and IOM flights now?

Also both routes are still bookable at ba.com and not at flybe.com!


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting VivaGunners (Reply 9):
How many new planes (Q400s and ERJ-195s) are Flybe set to receive in 2007?

One per month for the next 30 months I think I heard earlier?


User currently offlineBaron52ta From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
BA Connect MAN-JFK is one of the flights being axed

this comes from the article for those who haven't read it
BA will keep a number of BA Connect's routes, including the Manchester to New York service that it will run as part of its main operations.


User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

The LGW-IOM and LGW-INV routes move to South Terminal from the Summer schedule on 25th March, up till then they remain in North Terminal and operate under current BA flight numbers..

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 10):
LGW-INV and LGW-IOM will go to BE now of course but according to BAA website both routes are operating from the North terminal today, does anyone know when they move to the South and are BA still checking in/boarding/meeting the INV and IOM flights now?

BA Connect services from LGW to IOM and INV will continue to operate as normal from the North Terminal until the end of the current winter schedule. When the summer schedule begins (25 March 2007), the routes will be operated by BE from the South Terminal.

Quoting LGW" class=quote target=_blank>LGW (Reply 10):
Also both routes are still bookable at ba.com and not at flybe.com!

When the summer schedule begins, all former BA Connect routes that BE are continuing will have a BA codeshare, and will be available for purchase on both the BA and BE websites.

BE have announced that all of their new routes for this summer, including the former BA Connect routes, will be available for purchase on their website tomorrow.

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 1):
Will AMS see more FlyBe's?

I don't think BA Connect operate to AMS do they?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 14):
.

BE have announced that all of their new routes for this summer, including the former BA Connect routes, will be available for purchase on their website tomorrow.

They sent me an Email (as a pre-existing BA Connect customer) telling me how they'd be "slashing" fares on ex-BA routes. The route I fly most often is BHX-STR and usually pay BA of the order of £75-£90 (inc taxes). BE's new "slashed" lowest fares are £49.99 each way inc taxes - that sounds to me like an increase!

Regards,
Eurohub



Forget A vs B - Give me E or BAe any day of the week!
User currently offlineStrathpeffer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 15):
They sent me an Email (as a pre-existing BA Connect customer) telling me how they'd be "slashing" fares on ex-BA routes. The route I fly most often is BHX-STR and usually pay BA of the order of £75-£90 (inc taxes). BE's new "slashed" lowest fares are £49.99 each way inc taxes - that sounds to me like an increase!

Yup, similar story on ABZ - BHX (on the whole, although there are some a little cheaper). They're also dropping ABZ - MAN apparently. This is bad news, without BA and BMI keeping each other reasonable I suspect fares will rocket on this route.

PJ



Another Technical Problem?
User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

I couldm't get my head round the Executive Club bit in the email, as I understand it, yes you can contine earning BA Miles on NE flights, but only redeem them on proper BA flights?! Right?

User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

I think that given British Airways' total retrenchment from the regions with the exception of flights to London (LHR, LGW and LCY) would it not make sense for BA to use their 15% shareholding in flybe to market a regional network? BA benefit from looking like they still have a regional network, but having this outsourced to an airline that can do this profitably and independently of Waterside. Flybe benefit from people who may not otherwise have heard of their brand (ie people from oneworld alliance countries) being booked on their flights thanks to the British Airways connection. Finally, BA Executive Club passengers would remain loyal to BA if they could continue to earn/spend miles on flybe, plus benefiting from the flybe lounges and Economy Plus services.

User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

I work for Swissport at MAN, and we currently handle FlyBe, we are just waiting to see if we will keep the contract or it will go over to BA handling which currently handle BA Mainline and BA Connect, FlyBe are to move over to T3 too.

Mark



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Have to say I would have been really pissed at BA had they ended the JFK flight from MAN, i love seeing the 763 @ MAN, and plan to use that service regularly in the future.

User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 19):
I work for Swissport at MAN, and we currently handle FlyBe, we are just waiting to see if we will keep the contract or it will go over to BA handling which currently handle BA Mainline and BA Connect, FlyBe are to move over to T3 too.

Mark, I think this thread might prove interesting reading on that subject BA To Outsource Ground Handling In UK Regions (by Britair Mar 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Lite (Reply 18):
BA to use their 15% shareholding in flybe to market a regional network? BA benefit from looking like they still have a regional network, but having this outsourced to an airline that can do this profitably and independently of Waterside

My opinion, for what its worth, will be that BA will just sit back and watch the easy profit roll in from BE's dividends - for the immediate future BA will codeshare on BE routes that were previously BA Connect but that probably won't last beyond this summer's timetable ultimately leaving BE as just another company that BA has some shares in.



Forget A vs B - Give me E or BAe any day of the week!
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 21):
My opinion, for what its worth, will be that BA will just sit back and watch the easy profit roll in from BE's dividends - for the immediate future BA will codeshare on BE routes that were previously BA Connect but that probably won't last beyond this summer's timetable ultimately leaving BE as just another company that BA has some shares in

Although I agree this might happen, it would be really clever of BA to actually use this shareholding, and would probably be good for BE, especially connecting PAX @ MAN.


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 21):
Mark, I think this thread might prove interesting reading on that subject BA To Outsource Ground Handling In UK Regions (by Britair Mar 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks Eurohub a good read...

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6419307.stm

A good article by Simon Calder explaining exactly what routes are to be cancelled and the implications.



What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
25 EMAlad : I have a flight booked with BACON between Birmingham and Edinburgh in April. I rang BA to fn out what would be happening and she hadn't got a clue. Wh
26 Lite : My understanding is that the airline will come under the flybe brand and service levels from the beginning of the summer season, March 25 this year I
27 Spetouss : What about leisure BA Connect services out of MAN ??? For example PFO opearated by GB Airways. Are those services affected or will operate as normal ?
28 Post contains images Skidmarks : As far as I can tell, until 25th March BA Connect will operate as a separate entity, albeit under Flybe conttrol. After that date these routes will o
29 EMAlad : Does it mean than that BACON will still be flying their services still and FLYBE operatng theirs from Birmingham, or are BACON cancelling theirs and t
30 GayrugbyMAN : They'll all be codesharing anyway!
31 Glom : I'm flying ABZ-BHX this Friday, returning Saturday. According to the BA website, the flight is confirmed. Have I been boned like haddock too? I keep s
32 GayrugbyMAN : Anyone know if BE are going to repaint the former BACon Embraers, Dashes and 146s in to BE scheme or save money and leave them with the BA tails?
33 Lite : I'd imagine that given the BA Connect aircraft are only going to be in the fleet for two years at most, according to the optimistic flybe website, tha
34 Cjbmibe : I was working on Monday at BHD, I'm usually only in on the weekends so it was my first weekday shift from BEConnect happened at the start of the month
35 Jetset7E7 : Flybe flights on Monday were all operated by BE aircraft: BE181/182 DH4 G-JEDW BE183/184 DH4 G-JECP BE179/180 DH4 G-JECP BE185/186 DH4 G-JEDI BE187/1
36 GayrugbyMAN : Does anyone know if BE are to operate Dash aircraf on any of the following: MAN - CDG MAN - FRA MAN - BRU MAN - HAJ MAN - MXP?
37 TuRbUleNc3 : CDG ERJ 145 FRA ERJ145 BRU ERJ145 HAJ ERJ145 MXP ERJ145 All down as ERJ's to my knowledge, DH4's operate to BHD,EXT,SOU,NWI,EGC,GCI,GLA with some chan
38 GayrugbyMAN : So are the 146s leaving MAN straightaway?
39 Thomas_Jaeger : Some BRU and CDG flights are showing 143 as equipment in Amadeus, also some of the new La Rochelle and Limoges flights, not sure if this is a Flybe. o
40 GayrugbyMAN : BACon and before that BACiti always used 146s on the MAN - BRU route I assume because they used to carry a fair few extra business class pax on that r
41 JobsaGoodun : Flybe's Economy Plus offers an upgraded experience on the ground but no additional benefits in the air, except complimentary drink/catering/hold lugga
42 BlueShamu330s : OK, with the Open Skies developments, how long before BA realise they've closed down a significant part of their customer base, especially regional pr
43 Lite : On the plus side flybe can keep their financial and operational independence but benefit from British Airways backing, loyal BA Executive Club passen
44 BlueShamu330s : Agreed 100%. I'm not sure if it reflects bad timing or downright stupidity that BA chose to dispense of BACon when they did, knowing Open SKies were
45 Cjbmibe : I was working on bmi last monday and I only saw the aircraft arriving - I wasnt dealing with them. I took it that they were from BHX and MAN, but I st
46 Jetset7E7 : This is G-BRYV its been operating in a white livery for the past week or so. Mark
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