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LON-DXB 200 Pounds? Even Cheaper From CPH?  
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Hey all!

Just heard from a friend in Dubai that he had some friends down on a visit who paid 200 pounds for their tickets to DXB return. This was from London, because they were there already, but had they flown from CPH, it would have been even cheaper!

Don't know which airline it was on (or routing) but no matter what this sounds crazy! Anybody knows if this is a general Y-fare in that market or if they really just struck a very lucky one-time-only-bargain? Certainly 200 pounds is no where near break-even, even if you have people sitting on the wings!

Kevin777  Smile


"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
Just heard from a friend in Dubai that he had some friends down on a visit who paid 200 pounds for their tickets to DXB return.

Condor currently has a fare of EUR99 plus taxes for a oneway FRA-DXB loaded into the CRSs... for a return that gives you EUR371.59 incl. taxes, roughly GBP250.

Were those GBP200 including taxes?

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
Certainly 200 pounds is no where near break-even, even if you have people sitting on the wings!

Since not everyone onboard will be paying GBP200, but only perhaps 10 pax or so, with the others paying between a little bit and significantly more than that, the airline very well could still be making a lot of money off the flight.  Wink



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
Condor currently has a fare of EUR99 plus taxes for a oneway FRA-DXB loaded into the CRSs... for a return that gives you EUR371.59 incl. taxes, roughly GBP250.

That's f*cking cheap, too! - Is it an accesible fare in GDS, or is it some booking class that's never available anyway?

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
Were those GBP200 including taxes?

Including everything - from CPH, taxes would have to include some extra for the stopover (no nonstop CPHDXB), so base fare likely to be below 100 pounds!

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
Since not everyone onboard will be paying GBP200, but only perhaps 10 pax or so, with the others paying between a little bit and significantly more than that, the airline very well could still be making a lot of money off the flight.

True, true, but the base fare still often takes more space than you think - also, even 250 pounds or maybe 300 is still very cheap I reckon. But 200: Crazy!

Kevin777  Smile



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

KLM is selling UK to Dubai for GBP 146 plus taxes on its website. The fare books in V-class and depending on the day of travel, there seem to be between 20 and 100 seats available at this fare. As it goes, there is plenty of availability for this fare.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

The thing you need to realize is that London-Dubai is not a particularly long flight. 2972 nm combined with the fact that the aircraft that fly Europe-Dubai are pretty much always big widebodies with a very low CASM and fares like that make a fair amount of sense.


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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

GF and QR were selling at £170 and £176 all Inc.


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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
KLM is selling UK to Dubai for GBP 146 plus taxes on its website. The fare books in V-class and depending on the day of travel, there seem to be between 20 and 100 seats available at this fare. As it goes, there is plenty of availability for this fare.



Quoting Ammunition (Reply 5):
GF and QR were selling at £170 and £176 all Inc.

My God those fares are good - and even available it seems!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
The thing you need to realize is that London-Dubai is not a particularly long flight. 2972 nm combined with the fact that the aircraft that fly Europe-Dubai are pretty much always big widebodies with a very low CASM and fares like that make a fair amount of sense.

True, fares to the ME shouldn't directly be boxed with flights to, for instance, India - and widebodies do get the CASM down of course (and some extra for EK doing 3-4-3 in a T7..). But still, this fare level is definitely below cost.

Kevin777  Smile



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 6):
But still, this fare level is definitely below cost.

Maybe, maybe not. It may well break even. Remember, despite its junk status lately, most international transactions are done in Dollars, which means the fare will be nearly $400, which combines with very low CASM to be probably closer to a break even fare than anything.



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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

You can buy SWISS via ZURICH 127 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

Czech via PRAGUE 129 GBP plus taxes up to 24 March

GULFAIR via BAHRAIN 130 GBP plus taxes valid up to end November

AUSTRIAN via VIENNA 138 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

AIR FRANCE via PARIS 156 GBP plus taxes up to 9 December

All fares ex LONDON

So there are plenty of opportunites to fly cheap!

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 8):
You can buy SWISS via ZURICH 127 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

Czech via PRAGUE 129 GBP plus taxes up to 24 March

GULFAIR via BAHRAIN 130 GBP plus taxes valid up to end November

AUSTRIAN via VIENNA 138 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

AIR FRANCE via PARIS 156 GBP plus taxes up to 9 December

This is absolutely MAD! But I guess it's because the ex-LON market is so filled with capacity, that you really have to offer a good price if you want a pax to fly onestop. VIE-DXB etc. is probably much higher.

You got any estimate of the taxes? I reckon something like 50-60 pounds?

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 8):
Czech via PRAGUE 129 GBP plus taxes up to 24 March

When did OK start to DXB?? Didn't know that!

Kevin777  Smile



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Hi Kevin 777

Taxes are quite high

SWISS is aprox 146 pounds

GULF approx 124 pounds on todays rate

We have now got to the stage where airport taxes are higher than airfares

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4810 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I think LGW-HKG-LGW for about £283 including all taxes and fees on Oasis is an even better deal  Smile

Looks like WAY too much capacity LON-DXB...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 10):
We have now got to the stage where airport taxes are higher than airfares

Watch out. A lot of those "taxes" could well be fuel surcharges.

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 11):
Looks like WAY too much capacity LON-DXB...

It wouldn't be there if it wasn't selling and making money.



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 11):
Looks like WAY too much capacity LON-DXB...

It wouldn't be there if it wasn't selling and making money.

Oh I think it would.. The M.E. carriers are definitely putting growth above profitability right now.

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 5):
GF and QR were selling at £170 and £176 all Inc.

But these fares are really low - including everything! Are they available? Can't find them anywhere on the web. Momondo finds LGW-DOH-DXB (with QR) for 258 punds everything included as the cheapest - in september 07

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 10):
Hi Kevin 777

Taxes are quite high

Right... or, fuel charges are as someone noted above... but still, good prices..


Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

UK departure tax just got doubled back in February.

User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

They were available for booking in FEB on www.airline-network.co.uk


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 13):
Oh I think it would.. The M.E. carriers are definitely putting growth above profitability right now.

Then why is Emirates profitable and why would their EU competitors match them?



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Then why is Emirates profitable

To be fair, no one can really tell how profitable they really are - if they are.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
why would their EU competitors match them?

If they donøt want to pull out they have to - maybe they believe things will get better eventually

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 8):
You can buy SWISS via ZURICH 127 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

Czech via PRAGUE 129 GBP plus taxes up to 24 March

GULFAIR via BAHRAIN 130 GBP plus taxes valid up to end November

AUSTRIAN via VIENNA 138 GBP plus taxes up to 31 March

AIR FRANCE via PARIS 156 GBP plus taxes up to 9 December

All fares ex LONDON

So there are plenty of opportunites to fly cheap!

JAT via BEG will also work out quite cheap - had some friends who flew from LHR to DXB and laughed at the fare...

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 9):

When did OK start to DXB?? Didn't know that!

Last OK flight should be round 24th March I believe, so no wonder they are selling them for peanuts...



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 18):
JAT via BEG will also work out quite cheap - had some friends who flew from LHR to DXB and laughed at the fare...

JAT fly to DXB, too! How weird is that.. what other smaller European carriers fly to DXB without me knowing it!!??  Smile

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 17):
If they donøt want to pull out they have to - maybe they believe things will get better eventually

Businesses don't do that. Not well run ones anyway, which most of the major European flag carriers are these days. They would pull out of a market if it was hemoraging cash and go back when the time was right. Sure, if they were flying this on a 757, there might be a problem with the fare levels (maybe not), but the aircraft they use are so large that it really makes a difference.



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User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

I flew with VS last month LHR-DXB and paid £228 return including taxes - it was about the same time as BA had just canx and then re-instated big chunks of their schedule following the industrial dispute resolution. Just after the DXB flights were re-instated, LHR-DXB for £195 including taxes with BA was widely available with less than a week before travel!

Regards,
Eurohub



Forget A vs B - Give me E or BAe any day of the week!
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
but the aircraft they use are so large that it really makes a difference.

Yes, but large planes or not..

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 21):
I flew with VS last month LHR-DXB and paid £228 return including taxes - it was about the same time as BA had just canx and then re-instated big chunks of their schedule following the industrial dispute resolution. Just after the DXB flights were re-instated, LHR-DXB for £195 including taxes with BA was widely available with less than a week before travel!

This is not sustainable!! It REALLY isn't!  Sad

Eurohub, where did you find those fares??? On-line travel, directly at the airline, bucket shops??

Kevin777  Smile



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 19):
JAT fly to DXB, too! How weird is that.. what other smaller European carriers fly to DXB without me knowing it!!??

Make that 5 times weekly, effective with the summer timetable!



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 23):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 19):
JAT fly to DXB, too! How weird is that.. what other smaller European carriers fly to DXB without me knowing it!!??

Make that 5 times weekly, effective with the summer timetable!

Wow, cool! Any particular business relations or anything or?? What equipment to they use to DXB? They do CPH, so maybe I could use them!

Kevin777  Smile



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
25 Eurohub : Kevin, I booked the VS fare in December for travel in February on their website, I would gave preferred to travel from BHX with a SkyTeam carrier but
26 Post contains images CV580Freak : You wait until the rain and sand storms stop then you'll see the prices shoot up
27 Post contains images PlymSpotter : £194.30 return inc all taxes for LGW-HKG with Oasis Hong Kong ... so long as you're a student Dan
28 JoKeR : Yes, they have quite close ties with EK. From DXB, they disperse JU pax to SYD/MEL/BNE/AKL/CHC/JNB, while via HAM, they transport JU pax to JFK. JU i
29 Kevin777 : Not being familiar with the climate of Dubai, when is this?? Because if this is in spring or summer, I reckon Europeans (including myself!) would rat
30 Post contains images UN_B732 : Isn't Jat a 737 from BEG-DXB? If you don't mind being on a narrowbody, might be a nice flight -A
31 N1120A : Oasis' costs are dirt cheap, which means they can offer those kinds of fares and still make money. Their capital expenditure alone pales in compariso
32 Post contains images Kevin777 : Okay NO WAY!! No matter if you cut back staff untill it includes one pilot and a purser for a 747, and have the pax bring 100 gallons of jetA for the
33 Post contains images VHVXB : hmm if you think thats cheap Australia-Europe fare are predicted to be low as 400Aud one way which is around £162 but travelling with LCC of course
34 Uzzzer : Ukraine International (PS) is £169 LGW/LHR-DXB via Kyiv (KBP)
35 Kevin777 : LCC or not this is still not viable though... 325 pounds return to Australia just doesn't work!
36 VHVXB : Obviously not with a single airline when you go to Europe but 2 different airlines
37 Post contains images Kevin777 : Including tax?.. Well, what I meant was that it doesn't work for the airline, not the pax! The pax surer is happy, but no matter how you twist and tu
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