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Delta Rumor Mill Alive And Well  
User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17957 times:

I found the following info off a pilot forum (a caveat, this was retrieved off a public forum, not a private one). This was posted by a DL pilot who had himself just gotten the information. I imagine the info circulated amongst DALPA members from on high. Take it for what its worth. The only thing I think will never happen is the B6 rumor included in it. I hope the rest come true....imagine winglets on a 763 and 787's! So with that said here goes the latest DL rumors (copy and pasted the following):

First, I want to explain a little about the Executive Jet agreement. One of the reasons we signed this contract is to tie up our gates in LAX and keep them from being taken back by the airport. We have huge plans for international expansion out of LAX including 787s. There will be a multi-billion $$ aircraft order announced after we emerge from BK.

JFK - Realignment of mgt at JFK. Improved passenger flow through terminals. $500 million terminal upgrade. Increase in pay for ground workers. Hiring 400 new ground employees for summer. Whitehurst re-iterated his desire to purchase Jet Blew to get their terminal at JFK.

Boston-Logan - long-term plans for Boston include international expansion with the 757-200ERs. This is not going to happen in the short-term as JFK is the focus for now.

CVG - remain status quo. Most profitable hub in 2006. Some summer increase in flight hours.

Winglets - plan on installing them on all of the 737-800s that have kits already installed and the rest later, all of the 757-ERs we get this summer will have the winglets installed before we put them into service (we will be getting these aircraft earlier than planned). All 757-200 will get winglets except the oldest ones. American has promised a 767-300 to the company that makes the winglets so they can flight-test and certify them. Once certification is complete, we will be installing winglets on all of our 767-300s.

5% increase in flight hours for this summer. Staffing may cause some issues.

ASA in ATL - we are replacing all over and under wing workers with Delta employees.

Debt load - AA - $17B, UA - $19B, DL - $7-8B - we will be in considerably better shape once emerging from BK.

Grinstein plans to retire in August.

All flight attendants will be recalled this summer and they will be hiring off the street. If someone on furlough wants to bypass and does not want to get terminated, they should indicate a base that is not recalling. Whitehurst said Delta will not terminate flight attendants unless they bypass recall to a base they chose to be recalled too.

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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17928 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
There will be a multi-billion $$ aircraft order announced after we emerge from BK.

Whitehurst re-iterated his desire to purchase Jet Blew to get their terminal at JFK.

Where is Delta going to get all this cash from? They're still losing money are they not?


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17907 times:

Hiring of FA's in the spring is all ready planned. The groundhandling in ATL as of 01Jun is all DL mainline no more ASA ramp and CS. So alot is all ready in place.


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User currently offlineSilver764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17886 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
ASA in ATL - we are replacing all over and under wing workers with Delta employees.

this is true and was in the AJC either Sat or Sun.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17852 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
JFK - Realignment of mgt at JFK. Improved passenger flow through terminals. $500 million terminal upgrade. Increase in pay for ground workers. Hiring 400 new ground employees for summer. Whitehurst re-iterated his desire to purchase Jet Blew to get their terminal at JFK.

That's a hell of a rumor - and I highly doubt it. Delta stands less of a chance of buying out JetBlue than US did at acquiring Delta!

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
CVG - remain status quo. Most profitable hub in 2006. Some summer increase in flight hours.

As long as they don't get any LCC competition at CVG (which I admit they are unlikely to in the near future).

As for all of the other 'rumors', there was nothing groundbreaking in there so I suppose any of it is possible.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17829 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
Delta stands less of a chance of buying out JetBlue than US did at acquiring Delta!

I completely agree. The same reasons that DL used for thwarting the US hostile takover (duplication in markets; reduction in competition; fleet compatability) would apply here. Plus, why would anyone want that old B6 terminal anyway?


User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17797 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 5):
Plus, why would anyone want that old B6 terminal anyway?

Delta wants Jetblues new terminal thats currently under construction, not the old one.

[Edited 2007-03-05 16:25:03]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17341 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17727 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
CVG - remain status quo. Most profitable hub in 2006. Some summer increase in flight hours.

I'm not sure if I believe that. What does that say about the other hubs, specifically, ATL?



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17693 times:

Just my 2 cents the B6 rumor makes no sense what so ever. DL for the most part is all boeing, I know the mad dogs are NOW part of the boeing family. Some of the rest I can see and believe though.


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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17626 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 8):
Just my 2 cents the B6 rumor makes no sense what so ever.

It seems like this rumor keeps on popping up. Either Alitalia or WorldTraveler hinted at it a couple of months ago. One thing is for sure, they could get a good deal on B6 right now. The stock is really low. Would they rename it song?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17592 times:

Ah, how boring would a.net be without rumors Big grin .

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
First, I want to explain a little about the Executive Jet agreement.

What EJ agreement?

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
One of the reasons we signed this contract is to tie up our gates in LAX and keep them from being taken back by the airport.

Figures

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
We have huge plans for international expansion out of LAX including 787s. There will be a multi-billion $$ aircraft order announced after we emerge from BK.

Both strong rumors that never seem to die down, even more so with Grinstein's and Whitehurst's continued desire to launch Oz.

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
JFK - Realignment of mgt at JFK. Improved passenger flow through terminals. $500 million terminal upgrade.

About damn time.

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Whitehurst re-iterated his desire to purchase Jet Blew to get their terminal at JFK.

ROFLMAOYEAHRIGHTLOL. Southwest will buy A380s before DL buys JetBlue.

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Boston-Logan - long-term plans for Boston include international expansion with the 757-200ERs. This is not going to happen in the short-term as JFK is the focus for now.

Probably not before MASSPORT finally lets DL have their own FIS in Terminal A.

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Winglets - plan on installing them on all of the 737-800s that have kits already installed and the rest later, all of the 757-ERs we get this summer will have the winglets installed before we put them into service (we will be getting these aircraft earlier than planned). All 757-200 will get winglets except the oldest ones. American has promised a 767-300 to the company that makes the winglets so they can flight-test and certify them. Once certification is complete, we will be installing winglets on all of our 767-300s.

Figures. A large percentage of 738s and 752s already fly lots of transcons, not to mention international routes, and with the non-ER 763s going to Hawaii, they are another candidate obviously. The fuel saving potential should quite enormous.

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Grinstein plans to retire in August.

Not so much a rumor, as he has always stated he'll retire once DL is safely out of CH11.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17578 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 9):
Would they rename it song?

Heck, if they did buy it, just leave it alone and keep things how they are. As long as DL gets the profits, who cares what the name is on the side of the plane. Keep it Jetblue as a seperate entity, let it feed your intl flights, get the new terminal 5 and take some of your mainline 738's and 752's that compete with B6 now and move them elsewhere to maximize profit potential.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17580 times:

Dont believe the CVG rumor in margin terms, maybe due to cut backs CVG lost the least amount of actually $$$$..Definitely dont believe the B6 rumor and DAL will lose a bucket load of money if they think they can fly extensively international from LAX.

User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17546 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
Probably not before MASSPORT finally lets DL have their own FIS in Terminal A.

I imagine MASSPORT would be salivtating over more intl routes for BOS if DL does come to them with a route sked for trans-atlantics using their 752ER's. I Imagine their own FIS in Terminal A would be forthcoming posthaste.


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17522 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
I want to explain a little about the Executive Jet agreement.

He must mean Expressjet agreement?

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
desire to purchase Jet Blew

Jet Blew? Is he being sarcastic, or was this a typo?


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17507 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
ROFLMAOYEAHRIGHTLOL. Southwest will buy A380s before DL buys JetBlue

I think this is more likely then we think........

I wonder what the plans are with the SLC hub, I would love a flight from Europe to fly to slc, possibly to Air France's hub in CDG?



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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17403 times:

Quoting Junction (Reply 14):
He must mean Expressjet agreement?

Don't know, sorry.

Quoting Junction (Reply 14):
Jet Blew? Is he being sarcastic, or was this a typo?

He was being sarcastic. Lot of legacy drivers don't like the B6 drivers for whatever reason.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17300 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 13):
I imagine MASSPORT would be salivtating over more intl routes for BOS if DL does come to them with a route sked for trans-atlantics using their 752ER's. I Imagine their own FIS in Terminal A would be forthcoming posthaste.

If they are smart, definitely. Say, one daily each to CDG, DUB/SNN, FRA, LGW and perhaps something original. Of course, all those markets are already served, but more service surely can't be bad for MASSPORT, not to mention that if DL were to really expand internationally from BOS, it probably wouldn't be limited to Europe flights, but perhaps a few Caribbean routes as well.

Quoting Junction (Reply 14):
Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
I want to explain a little about the Executive Jet agreement.
He must mean Expressjet agreement?

Would make more sense, but then again, the point that that agreement was signed to keep the gates in use is BS, because XJE or not, DL/ASA was already flying from LAX anyway, so it's not like XJE will be adding many more flights for DL at LAX.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17297 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
ROFLMAOYEAHRIGHTLOL. Southwest will buy A380s before DL buys JetBlue.

Yeah, I agree. I can't imagine there is even a little truth to this rumor. If the argument is that DL wants JetBlue's new terminal, that doesn't make much sense either. It would take a fraction of the cost to build their own mega-terminal at T2 than to purchase their biggest JFK competition.

I know that "anything is possible" in business, especially this business, but this one does not appear to hold any water whatsoever.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17140 times:

1) XJet could be seen as a way to build flights without committing to a long-term hub just yet given DL doesn't have the resources. Also, the ASA/SkyWest birds are needed elsewhere so in a sense it is a replacement.

2) LAX - yes there are plans being worked out. This has been out for some time and the destination list is looking better and better. It will be interesting to see if this works out given DL used to have LAX (after acquisition of Western) and let it go.

3) Fleet: there will be a fleet announcement post BK. The potential list looks good for now, altho one is questionable.

4) JFK: DL has allocated $6B in their POR for capital expendituresin the next five years. Suffice to say, most people assume some of it will go toward a JFK reconfig given it's drastically needed. Could go a few ways, but neither will involve taking over B6...their new terminal still isn't big enough for the ops plan at JFK unless DL seriously reconfigs their banks (which they are working through for this summer having 3/4 int'l departure banks).

5) CVG is profitable given the recent right size. Having the highest average fares in the country helps as well.

6) Winglets - the 73Gs are being delivered with them, they're working through the potential for 738s and 757s. Given DL flies 767s further than most airlines, it would be no shock to think that DL would get some sets for their 76Es if certified.

7) BOS - at some point.

[Edited 2007-03-05 17:35:24]


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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17136 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 13):
I imagine MASSPORT would be salivtating over more intl routes for BOS if DL does come to them with a route sked for trans-atlantics using their 752ER's. I Imagine their own FIS in Terminal A would be forthcoming posthaste.

If Massport is salivating for more international service, like you say - as do have a tremendous presence currently, they would need to either expand Terminal E as its nearing its capacity. They can also look into the brand spanking new Terminal A. Air France and the Skyteam members would love to be there...

I think this more likely now than ever... Terminal E could b the OneWorld terminal, Fin air, AA, BA, IB, etc... and Terminal A are for the SkyTeam members... Star Alliance is limited at Logan for international service...



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16972 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 13):
I imagine MASSPORT would be salivtating over more intl routes for BOS if DL does come to them with a route sked for trans-atlantics using their 752ER's. I Imagine their own FIS in Terminal A would be forthcoming posthaste.

If I'm a restaurnteur at that 'new' terminal I would salivate, too, knowing that I'd be serving a lot more dinners to people waiting to board evening flights. More meals, more walking around (and buying)...the lack of both is what the tenants grumbled about down there. Bump up the evening traffic at that terminal and everyone would be happy. If I recall, the sticking point was Massport's insistence that ALL international travel be done through terminal E, correct? The reason I ask is because I thought I saw AA 777s loading at their own terminal...not E.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16911 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 21):
The reason I ask is because I thought I saw AA 777s loading at their own terminal...not E.

All International arrivals must be at Terminal E. Not so with International departures. They can leave from any terminal.


User currently offlineB6sFinest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16813 times:

LMAO.... Delta would have to actually be making money in order to even dream about talking to B6....They are still losing money like its going out of style. But we at Jetblue will be happy to give tours to any Delta employee that wants to see our new terminal, including Whitehearst....

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16719 times:

Well now we know who's ordering winglet sets for their 767s. Now we must wait for who they have ordering them for 772 and md-80. My guess is AA is ordering them all. Will give more life to their super 80s.


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25 Hiflyer : I have seen over the years that airlines in Chapt 11 routinely 'leak' via the pilot group pie in the sky it's gonna happen proposals. They know that i
26 Warreng24 : The 787 will have raked wingtips... they DO NOT need winglets!!!!
27 EXAAUADL : BOS-LGW will stink for DL just like it stunk for AA.
28 MAH4546 : And like it did for Delta. Delta flew BOS-LGW in 2001. Terrible performer.
29 Richierich : You know I like JetBlue, but this statement is a little over the top. First of all, yes DL is losing money (still) but they are well on the road to e
30 Bobnwa : What were the dates of AA flying BOS-LGW?
31 ERAUgrad02 : I must correct you. the 787-8/9 have ranked winglets. the -3 has normal winglets like 744.
32 B767300ER : The situation at JFK is of prime concern. The Worldport Terminal simply stated is not able to handle 2000 era planes and traffic. It was good for PAA
33 LTU932 : Actually the 787-3 will have blended winglets, similar to those on the 737 and 757.
34 STT757 : Delta is really in a tough spot fleet wise, if they place an order for 787s after they exit bankruptcy the best they are going to able to get delivery
35 Surfdog75 : I wouldn't discount the possibilty of Boeing getting one of their best customers 787s much earlier than 2012.
36 Post contains links Jbmitt : If you are going to copy it verbatim, atleast link to it http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=10305 If you spent any time at all, you w
37 Rampart : The Worldport expansion in the 70's was built for 747s, so should handle 777s and like sized aircraft. It's a little spaced out for medium sized jets
38 B777ER : I imagine HKG and possibly SYD on that list. I wonder which one is questionable...773??? I would think DL would want to operate everything out of the
39 DeltAirlines : A few thoughts of mine: No surprise on CVG. Right-sizing did pretty well for the hub; I think we're at a period now where we'll see little change. Hav
40 Papatango : Did anyone notice the US and China are talking about increasing air service between the two countries. Maybe Delta to China will become a reality befo
41 Flavio340 : One note on Jetblue wasn't that company from the start designed to be bought out or merged? If the price is right I think that company can be bought.
42 Jbmitt : Grow up. I was trying to help you by citing your source. In academia, citations often increase your legitimacy and credibility. While, I realize that
43 767-332ER : Their oldest 767-300ERs are now (2007) 17 yrs old, so by 2012-2013 will be well over 23 yrs old.
44 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : SLC has similar issues. It is an ancient relic facility wise and in dire need of a complete make-over. Look for SLC to be a capitol improvement targe
45 B777ER : Thats the problem with the internet, one sees just the words and not the inflection so therefore I took it wrong..my apologies. Seems that 23 years o
46 MAH4546 : BOS-LGW operated summer of 1998. Instead of adding another frequenty to MIA-LHR and BOS-LHR, AA decided to split the service between Gatwick and Heat
47 DeltAirlines : While SLC is the DL hub I travel through the least (only 1-2 times a year since I'm mostly on the east coast and there are more than enough ATL fligh
48 HighFlyer9790 : great! ahem, they leased out gates at their own Terminal A which cost them $500M....so their BOS presence must be going to increase as well, consider
49 77411 : I wouldn't call the current rate as going out of style but they do have a little work to do yet. On the other hand, I would not be calling B6's past
50 Post contains images Floridaflyboy : Pardon my ignorance, but what's Oz? It'll probably be obvious once you tell me, but fill me in, please. One what is questionable, if I may ask. I agr
51 Akizidy214 : Please explain.....
52 Post contains images Haggis79 : oz-tralia
53 Floridaflyboy : Haha. All right, thanks. I would have never guessed that one.
54 EXAAUADL : I think it was 1998-99
55 Jbmitt : AA will loan a 763 to the company to fit it with winglets and get it certified. I would imagine that money and consideration might be involved too. S
56 ERAUgrad02 : Womnt surprise me if AA/DL dont put them on their MD80's.
57 Akizidy214 : Please show me this in writing somewhere, a link or something. I have not seen our heard of this anywhere.
58 DALMD88 : For the BOS international flights to happen Massport is going to have to sit on the unleasable gates in A for a while. Maybe then they will come aroun
59 Nopeotone : Does United really have 19B in debt??? I thought I read somewhere in the news that is had less than AA's debt, which is 18B according to the rumor..
60 DL Widget Head : That's about the best way to put it. DL buying B6 is pure fantasy. There's not a grain of truth in it but, some of the other "rumors" are dead on.
61 WorldTraveler : DL's int'l fleet is no older than UA's or AA's, it's just made up of different aircraft types. In fact, UA's 744s, early model 777s, and 767s will re
62 Woodsboy : Why, why, WHY MORE emphasis at JFK, the biggest clusterf**k airport besides ATL?? I flew 4 international flights out of JFK last year on DL and every
63 Floridaflyboy : They can't. This is not news. Just simple rumors.
64 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Unfortunately all the people are in NYC, and not in CVG
65 Ncflyer : No way can CVG be more profitable than ATL. To have a near monopoly in the largest airport in the world? Still shocking to me that an airline with suc
66 WorldTraveler : CVG comparisons are based on profit MARGINS... it really is a rational basis for comparing 2 enterprises of non-similar size... just like comparing CO
67 STT757 : What's considered "much earlier", CO ordered their 787s in 2004 and their first delivery is in 2009. I don't see DL getting earlier than 2012-2013, i
68 Evan767 : Can you please go into further details?
69 BHMNONREV : CVG being the most profitable hub is no surprise, especially in light of the fare premium they can charge due to the limited amount of competition in
70 DALOCCDtyDrctr : Just to keep the mill churning - lots of big info to be released tomorrow - if not already on the company intranet... Stock Ownership – each employe
71 OA412 : How do you figure? Yes, EK has been placing large orders lately but DL is a VERY valuable customer for Boeing. Do you honestly believe that Boeing wo
72 DL777LAX : LAX is not a congested airport, it could easily accommodate the amount of traffic JFK does. The airport's design is very efficient. Ive read on here
73 MAH4546 : LAX passenger traffic is significantly more than JFK's.
74 Baw716 : Any one have any idea if any of what has been discussed is mentioned anywhere in the reorganization plan? I ask the question because there will need t
75 Post contains links Panamair : There may be more truth to the rumor about NYC ground staff getting additional 'incentives' - as it is currently, attrition and internal company tran
76 Post contains images Revelation : I read an interview with the architect of the B6 terminal, here on a.net I think. The new terminal is totally optimized around aircraft of the A320 s
77 STT757 : No, I feel DL cannot muster a large enough firm order to warrant a second line. As improved as their future revenues may look. For Boeing to open a s
78 LawnDart : So what's Boeing's tipping point? Meaning, at what level of orders do they feel it financially advantageous to open a second assembly line. If they h
79 ORD : I'm not so sure this is true. Pan Am and TWA were in big trouble well before 767s started flying across the Atlantic (TWA was actually the first airl
80 STT757 : Who's going to pay for that, that's a $2 Billion+ project that would cause alot of disruption. T-4 is owned by investment groups, not the Port Author
81 AvConsultant : I thought DL powerful position was prior to the US bid? A few weeks ago when US pulled it's bid, CNBC reported DL is forced to addressed the unsecure
82 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Some JFK speculation on my part, without knowing any relevant numbers as far as costs go: At T-4, first the northern finger gets extended by around 8
83 SESGDL : The 787 line will be increased to add another production line, simply because AA, UA, and DL have yet to order any. When they do, Boeing will no doub
84 1337Delta764 : Remember, Delta is the largest 767 operator in the world, and soon some of them will need replacement. Boeing will need to increase production to have
85 B777ER : Yes, does everything need a bloody link to be true? A great example of this is DL #150 and DL #162. Both flights are to Venice, Italy. #150 departs f
86 LCFreeman49 : I heard something interesting.... One of the many reasons that Delta refiled for a longer exclusivity period was becasue they were concerned that US A
87 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Where is the rumor mill located? Is it a union shop? I heard they were going to shut it down as part of the bankruptcy exit plan.
88 Floridaflyboy : Yeah, I think they will. Haven't they both already made the decision to take up some of their options? Maybe I'm mistaken, could someone verify, plea
89 AvConsultant : Entertaining to say the least.
90 WorldTraveler : there were alot of people that speculated that DL would have to add cash to fend off US... but DL hasn't changed its plan and the all stock plan is o
91 AvConsultant : I thought the plan did change to include the unsecured creditors or exceed what US was offering. Do you think this has to do with DL delaying the fil
92 Ncflyer : I still don't even by the CVG margin business. ATL has a dramatically higher O/D percentage than CVG-- it's got to be in a different universe, and O/D
93 NWA757boy : Any "rumor" on how many Flight Attendants they will be hiring? Or where they will be based?
94 LawnDart : Delta's offer to their creditors was (eventually) higher than US' offer, and it is my personal opinion that the only reason US offered to buy DL was
95 DL Widget Head : That's a delightful conspiracy theory but the truth of the matter is Parker REALLY did want DL and must have paid millions in the effort. In the end,
96 EXAAUADL : AA already evaluated this, there was no cost savings...remember winglets increase weight, so for short hauls, blended winglets may actually reduce fu
97 DL Widget Head : Absoultely right. DL studied this too years ago when we outfited a 727 with winglets. The results confirmed that on a medium range a/c, the added wei
98 Post contains images Alitalia744 : so what's everyone's bets for the topics of the "rumor mill" fleet routes JFK and don't forget, the new livery
99 AvConsultant : I agree with both of you. Parker wanted DL for a feather in his cap. At the same time Parker had to convince his team beyond his ego, this was the on
100 Evan767 : Allright then here's mine: Fleet - In addition to the 73G's and 772LR's ordered I would like to see Delta order some 787's this summer. I would also
101 Gnomon : Hi Alitalia744, I've been following the rumor about the new livery very closely and with interest. I heard mention elsewhere that there's to be a pre
102 Post contains images Evan767 : He does but he doesn't share it. He likes to tease us. He only drops little hints and riddles. Well ok, maybe not riddles but you can tell the hints
103 Fewsolarge : Fleet— 777s are the most urgent need. Look for a very significant increase here, both LRs and 300ERs. 787s are the natural answer to replace the 75/
104 WorldTraveler : Although costs are going up, DL's revenues are also going up... their CASM will remain low because they have revenue growth factored into the busines
105 DL Widget Head : I hope you realize that I used the word too meaning also and not a number...
106 MAH4546 : If rumours are true, we'll be seeing Delta opening up a fourth international focus gateway (in the US) sometime later this year.
107 ERAUgrad02 : um yes i did. thanks bro.
108 OA412 : Fleetwise I'd love to see the 77W in DL livery. Obviously there have been some rumors on here about a possible order but it would be nice if those ru
109 Dank : I would say 772s of either type are likely, but not 773ERs. I still don't get why anyone thinks that the 787 will replace the 757, especially the 752
110 RwSEA : BOS (Europe)? FLL (Latin America)? SEA (Asia)?
111 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : LAX would seem like an interesting new focus city for international ops. They have been slowly adding new destinations (i.e. Mexico) and also seem to
112 AvConsultant : I do now, I thought it was a misspelling
113 RwSEA : I already consider LAX an "international focus gateway" given the large number of Mexico flights there. BOS makes sense because it can relieve JFK/AT
114 Alitalia744 : and what an interesting rumor it is no?
115 MPDPilot : I see all this sepculation about how Delta is going to do this and that. Delta will never buy Jet Blue. They are having all these problems and they ne
116 PlanesNTrains : True. I guess I'm thinking more intercontinental routes, such as LAX-SYD, but you are correct that they have been throwing more capacity - especially
117 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I don't see any arguments, but maybe I missed them. In regards to your other comments...well, I'll be the first to admit that I'm just speculating -
118 Skibum9 : You are incorrect, O&D percentage at CVG is much higher than at ATL. ATL has a tremendous amount of connection traffic, that is why it is a mega hub.
119 RobertS975 : Terminal E in BOS is getting stretched thin with the afternoon/evening international rush. This will only get worse with new service from Iberia and
120 WorldTraveler : DL is willing to offer BOS and LAX what they want - significant growth but DL does have its requirements - which in both cases is customer friendly co
121 Post contains images LawnDart : It is you who are incorrect, grasshopper (but not by much)... Based on DOT T100 and O&D data for November, 2006, the percentage of passengers connect
122 Post contains images Flavio340 : Well, if you look at the other bankrupt airlines Delta will most likely do one of three things: 1) Merge to exit chapter 11 (i.e. HP/US); 2) Exit and
123 DeltaRules : Unfortunately, DL's stuck unless the open skies deal at LHR WorldTraveler mentioned happens. DeltaRules
124 MAH4546 : Yup. And if this turns out to happen, which we should know by May, it will be the single most shocking thing Delta has yet to do. More shocking than
125 Post contains images Alitalia744 : but sure as hell gives us something fun to talk about. then we can start a new war
126 Post contains images Flyorski : What is it you know? Do you have any information you are able to tell us here on A.net?
127 Mpdpilot : I noticed a few back and forths going in the beginning but by no means big fights. I do have to agree this is not a bad thing infact I would say that
128 Alitalia744 : me thinks so too
129 Post contains images OA412 : Frankly, the 2 of you don't play fair. . You both have me very, very intrigued. Now I can't wait until May to see what city/routes DL may announce th
130 Exusair : How about HNL as a hub with flights to NRT, KIX, SEL, and SYD? Some new flights to support the operation include new n/s from JFK-HNL. Also new servic
131 Post contains images DAL767400ER : If it is so shocking, it must mean that DL is moving into a competitors hub. Same here, this talking has got me all hyped up
132 RL757PVD : Things that make you go "hmmmm"... and whats interesting is MAH4546 typically discusses FLL/MIA.......hhhmmmmmm
133 Post contains images Alitalia744 : start singing from Frank Churchill.
134 DAL767400ER : Hmm, wrote lots of film music for a certain company with a certain mouse as its most famous figure, I get a suspicion as to the city...
135 Post contains images Alitalia744 : there's more to the song than the origin...  [Edited 2007-03-07 23:42:30]
136 OA412 : Hmmm, interesting! Given the comments in this thread as well as the other speculating about DL's possible new gateway and the fact that it is being ca
137 Ord : Didn't he write "Who's afraid of the big, bad wolf?" That would signal a Delta move into enemy territory.
138 Xkorpyoh : that sounds like ORLANDO might be the next intl. gateway if LAX is already set as one... which makes a lot of sense and I dont understand why MCO was
139 Jbmitt : Delta is taking the 737NGs and excess RJ's and dumping capacity in the Carribean from MIA. Payback for LGA-ATL and the CVG flights.
140 Njdevilsin03 : Maybe someone will finally step up to the plate and try FLL-Europe. CDG, London, etc...
141 Indy : Shocking would be setting up one in IND just down I-74 from CVG. No that would be insane. Could shocking me making a return to DFW? I can't think of
142 Post contains images Charger : Philadelphia and Tucson
143 HVNandrew : I was thinking the same thing. But I really, really doubt it. I'm thinking a rebuilding of MCO. They have so much gate space and such a beautiful ter
144 WorldTraveler : hmmm
145 Alitalia744 : Who's afraid of the big bad wolf Big bad wolf, big bad wolf? Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? Tra la la la la
146 Post contains images FATFlyer : wolf or Wolf???
147 Alitalia744 : just wolf.
148 FCYTravis : If the Delta move at PHL goes down, they'll be getting some prime international-service gates in Terminal A. Hmmm...
149 FATFlyer : LOL, I know, just being silly given the guesses I've been seeing.
150 Evan767 : I stand corrected. So... I guess we can all assume it is MIA... Let's see... I am assuming the "big bad wolf is AA" I take that "hmmm" as a hint at M
151 Jbmitt : Wolf is also the former CEO of US Airways...mentioned in the article about the new south terminal @ MIA.[Edited 2007-03-08 03:51:14]
152 HPAEAA : Yeah.. I would think AA would get that privledge from BOS before DL.. mostly because AA already has some Intl service..
153 Post contains images DeltaRules : Well, they already have a focus city up I-71 at CMH.   DeltaRules[Edited 2007-03-08 05:20:37]
154 DALMD88 : MIA would be interesting. About a year ago we closed our line maintenance station there. I've heard no rummbling of opening it back up. A internationa
155 DAL767400ER : Concourse H should definitely have some unused gate space. Concourse H has 16 gates with jetways, which probably amounts to around 20 parking position
156 Post contains links AvConsultant : Maybe DL will dissolve OH as it continues to stain the image DL is working hard to improve. -Labor issues -LEX crash -Renegade employees (bypassing se
157 Flyorski : MIA But could DL compete effectively against AA?
158 Floridaflyboy : So here's an interesting question. Who does everyone think will replace Grinstein as CEO in August when he retires? Whitehurst, maybe? Or has this alr
159 Litz : I would be shocked if it wasn't Whitehurst ... - litz
160 Floridaflyboy : That was kind of my thinking, too. He's a good guy, though. I think Delta would be in really good hands with him at the helm.
161 AvConsultant : Whitehurst is what DL has been missing. A young guy with proven success and a vision from a different angle. Not some one groomed coming up the ranks
162 Yellowtail : More like ..is it worth a bloodbath.....but the news of DL starting FLL-SDQ today should put this to bed.
163 MAH4546 : The fat lady hasn't sung yet. She might sing tomorrow, though. We'll have to see.
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