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Volga-Dnepr To Receive 10 744ERF And 747-8F  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8609 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aD_ONWNBOCAs

According to Bloomberg, Volga-Dnepr, a Russian cargo carrier also specialize heavyweight cargo, is to receive 10 747-400ERF and 747-8F.

The order will be signed on 12MAR07.

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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8591 times:

Wow one more 748F order ! The freighter is really doing well !

User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8577 times:

Well, if it is a new order, I can't see how the 747-400ERFs could be new since all production slots for that particular aircraft have been sold and all new orders are only for the 747-8I and 747-8F.


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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8565 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 2):
Well, if it is a new order, I can't see how the 747-400ERFs could be new since all production slots for that particular aircraft have been sold and all new orders are only for the 747-8I and 747-8F.

I guess it's possible someone converted their 744ERF order into 748F's therefore opening some slots...maybe?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8502 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 2):
Well, if it is a new order, I can't see how the 747-400ERFs could be new since all production slots for that particular aircraft have been sold and all new orders are only for the 747-8I and 747-8F.

I think the B-747-400ERF orders were actually from about 2 years ago. I'll bet this is really a story about a new B-747-800F order.

BTW, I never knew that Michael Jackson and Madonna used an An-124 on their world tours.


User currently offlineNoWorries From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8375 times:

Will Putin ruin this deal too? Probably not -- A380F not available  duck 

User currently onlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8354 times:

Can we confirm that this is a new order for 747-8Fs? The 747-400ERF order has to have already been placed as all production slots for the 747-400F/400ERF have been closed for some time.


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 6):
Can we confirm that this is a new order for 747-8Fs? The 747-400ERF order has to have already been placed as all production slots for the 747-400F/400ERF have been closed for some time.

If we take this article at face value, it would appear to be an order for 8 747-8F's (plus the 2 747-400ERF's already on order via GECAS). I'll try and find out more. . .


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Quoting NoWorries (Reply 5):
Will Putin ruin this deal too? Probably not -- A380F not available

But, wasn't the An-124 line reopened recently?


User currently offlineNoWorries From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
But, wasn't the An-124 line reopened recently?

No, this can't be deja vu all over again. Are the operating economics of the An-124 comparable to the 748F -- but then again, political decisions don't have to be rational.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Quoting NoWorries (Reply 9):
Are the operating economics of the An-124 comparable to the 748F

No, but the An-124 can do missions the 748F won't be able to do.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 2):
I can't see how the 747-400ERFs could be new since all production slots for that particular aircraft have been sold



Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 3):
I guess it's possible someone converted their 744ERF

Indeed... These are the last (2) 744ERF orders.

Cathay Pacific Airways China East Asia 747-400ERF PW 22-Jun-2006 6
LoadAir Cargo Kuwait Middle East 747-400ERF GE 17-Jul-2006 2

They taking the (2) from LoadAir Cargo?

Did this deal fall though? http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q3/060717c_pr.html



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User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 10):
Are the operating economics of the An-124 comparable to the 748F

No, but the An-124 can do missions the 748F won't be able to do.

AN-124 can take bigger/bulkier load but I believe it does not take standard containers. So while AN-124 will still have plenty to do hauling engines and loads for constructions, most of cargo traffic is in containers. Looks like Volga-Dnepr is preparing to compete in the very congested mainstream cargo market.

Also, strangely, there is nothing on their site about the deal.
On somewhat related topic, IL-76 is back to the US!
http://www.volga-dnepr.com/eng/presscentre/releases/?id=4457



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 12):
AN-124 can take bigger/bulkier load but I believe it does not take standard containers. So while AN-124 will still have plenty to do hauling engines and loads for constructions, most of cargo traffic is in containers. Looks like Volga-Dnepr is preparing to compete in the very congested mainstream cargo market.

Their website shows that the An124 can take a total of 6 standard 40ft shipping containers. (2 side by side, 3 down the row).
http://www.volga-dnepr.com/eng/charter/fleet/an124/map/
The An124 has no problem taking any kind of cargo it seems. Volga-Dnepr simply wants to expand its fleet.... and the 747-8F seems like a good choice for them.

By the way, besides Volga-Dnepr and Antonov Air Cargo, does any one else operate AN-124s?

[Edited 2007-03-06 08:24:31]

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

Volga who? How the hell do you pronounce their name?


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User currently offlineHimself From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 14):
Volga who? How the hell do you pronounce their name?

vol - guh
duh - neh - per


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

This is good news for me. They started ops here at NGO last year. That means I will get to see a 748i here someday.

They move oversized cargo out of here time to time. A while back they were transporting wings for someone.
Volga-Dnepr also runs Air Bridge Cargo. They have a pretty livery.

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6063 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 7):
If we take this article at face value, it would appear to be an order for 8 747-8F's

As an opinion, I would say there is a chance they are behind the 5 x 747-8Fs booked as UFO on 30 November, 2006 and that they have either increased the order by 3 or there were 3 Options attached to the UFO order for 5.

I concur with your point on Airbrigde Cargo being the 2 x 744ERF via GECAS.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJarvis78 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
By the way, besides Volga-Dnepr and Antonov Air Cargo, does any one else operate AN-124s?

I believe there are 26 Antonov An-124's still in service.

Volga-Dnepr - 10
Polet Airlines - 6
Antonov Airlines - 7
Libyan Arab Air Cargo - 2
Antonov Design Bureau - 1


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Volga-Dnepr announced today that it has signed a contract for 5 748F's.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ST_0_BOEING-RUSSIA-DEAL-URGENT.XML



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
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From the article linked by Manni

MOSCOW, March 12 (Reuters) - Russian air cargo company Volga-Dnepr has signed a $1.4 billion deal with U.S. Boeing (BA.N: Quote, Profile , Research) for five new 747-8 Freighter cargo planes to be delivered in 2010-2013, the Russian company said on Monday.

The firm's president Alexei Isaikin told reporters Volga-Dnepr also had an option to buy five more planes


So it appears to be 5 + 5 748Fs and no mention as to whether they are the 5 x UFO booked on November 30, 2006 and no mention whatsoever of any 744ERFs. Interesting.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting Jarvis78 (Reply 18):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 13):
By the way, besides Volga-Dnepr and Antonov Air Cargo, does any one else operate AN-124s?

I believe there are 26 Antonov An-124's still in service.

Volga-Dnepr - 10
Polet Airlines - 6
Antonov Airlines - 7
Libyan Arab Air Cargo - 2
Antonov Design Bureau - 1

The russian airforce has 25, but only about half are currently in operational service.


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 20):
Regards, PanAm_DC10

So with this.....how many firm + options does the 747-8F & 747-8I have?

Does anyone think it is possible to have 150 firm orders for the 747-8 program by 747-8F EIS? (BTW, what is the EIS Date?)

thx


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 22):
how many firm + options does the 747-8F & 747-8I have?

It was 78 firm orders (24 firm for the 748i) as of last Thursday. Don't remember the number of options right now.

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 22):
Does anyone think it is possible to have 150 firm orders for the 747-8 program by 747-8F EIS?

I think that's highly likely.

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 22):
BTW, what is the EIS Date?

Fall 2009 for the 748F, and mid 2010 for the 748i.


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 23):
Quoting Kbdude (Reply 22):
Does anyone think it is possible to have 150 firm orders for the 747-8 program by 747-8F EIS?

I think that's highly likely.

blows my mind..... the likely possibility that at EIS, BOEING's VLA offering having more FIRM orders than AIRBUS's VLA ordering at EIS....


25 NA : The order is not shown on Boeing´s webpage, so its probably the unidentfied order from last November.
26 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : It's been acknowledged in the Media release by Boeing that the order is the 5 booked in November 2006 as they are the only 5 x 747-8F booked as UFO.
27 Post contains links and images LTU932 : That is a very ignorant and factually incorrect statement. Volga-Dnepr is a private company and in fact, the first private Russian airline to start u
28 Afitch7881 : Can the 748 handle sikorsky birds? Hopefully we will see these 748's @ BDL.
29 Post contains images PEET7G : " target=_blank>http://www.volga-dnepr.com/eng/group...dent/ Are you sure you know how things are being run in that country? Yes they are a private co
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