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User currently offlineEGCC777LR From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
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Hi everyone,

I frequently read here about 'Codeshare' between Airlines on different Routes. I know this may be a bit of a dumb question but what excatly is a Codeshare, and why do Airlines do it. I presume there must be benefits to bothsides, do two airlines run one plane and just share the profits? Does this have anything to do with the Alliances IE: Oneworld or StarAlliance ETC.

Regards

Jason


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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeshare

"Code sharing is a business term which first originated in the airline industry in 1990 when the Australian airline, Qantas Airways and American Airlines combined services from Australian cities to an array of U.S. domestic cities. The code share was part of a "cooperative Services" agreement between the two carriers before the various airline alliances were formed. It refers to a practice where a flight operated by an airline is jointly marketed as a flight for one or more other airlines. Most major airlines today have code sharing partnerships with other airlines, and code sharing is a key feature of the major airline alliances."

Quoting EGCC777LR (Thread starter):
Does this have anything to do with the Alliances IE: Oneworld or StarAlliance ETC.

Yes, generally the codeshares exist between the different airlines of an alliance, for example BA/AA/QF etc, but occasionally there are codeshares which are inter-alliance, e.g. AMS-DUB which was codeshared between EI (ex-oneworld) and KL (skyteam)


JC

[Edited 2007-03-05 20:34:48]


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User currently offlineEGCC777LR From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3255 times:
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Thanks for that JC,

Nice to learn something new

Jason  Wink



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Unfortunately codeshare exists. I know its profitable for airlines but because of that we won't see carriers in GVA like UA, DL, TG to name a few because they codeshare flights with AF or LH for example!

Another bad thing about it is lets say you buy a ticket with BA, and you expect to get BA standards but then your flight codeshares with IB whose service is ligh years from BA's service. Then in this case codesharing is not even !

Finally one other thing I don't like about codeshare is the ease with which it confuses people!
for example in GVA you can see 7 departures at the same time for the same destinations. that's because they list every airline who codeshares. And one day when I was in Lima, they announced "Alitalia flight to Amsterdam please embark, and this lady asked me why it wasn't a KLM flight and was scared to have missed the KLM flight to Amsterdam"
Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
"Code sharing is a business term which first originated in the airline industry in 1990 when the Australian airline, Qantas Airways and American Airlines combined services from Australian cities to an array of U.S. domestic cities. The code share was part of a "cooperative Services"

For me the first codeshare would be when BA and SQ shared a concorde where one side of the fuselage was painted in SQ coulours and the othe side in BA colours !


[Edited 2007-03-05 22:15:28]


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 3133 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
Code sharing is a business term which first originated in the airline industry in 1990

I thought codeshare was introduce in early 80s not 90s since I recall for my example AC and JM codeshare on YYZ-MBJ.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25700 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 4):
Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
Code sharing is a business term which first originated in the airline industry in 1990

I thought codeshare was introduce in early 80s not 90s since I recall for my example AC and JM codeshare on YYZ-MBJ.

Codeshare services existed long before 1990. The very first codeshare service is generally considered to involve Allegheny Airlines in 1967 (which changed their name to US Air in 1979). Following excerpt from a more accurate Wikipedia item on US Airways history.


Allegheny's agreement with Henson Airlines, the forerunner to today's US Airways Express carrier Piedmont Airlines, to provide service under the Allegheny Commuter banner, is generally regarded as the industry's first code-share agreement, a type of service now routinely offered throughout the industry.


Codesharing grew rapidly after US deregulation in 1978, and then started spreading to international routes. It really took off after Open Skies agreements were implemented, the first being USA-Netherlands in 1992, which resulted in extensive joint operations and codesharing between KL and NW. Many similar arrangements involving other countries/carriers since of course.

[Edited 2007-03-06 01:54:11]

[Edited 2007-03-06 01:55:37]

[Edited 2007-03-06 01:57:16]

User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3):
For me the first codeshare would be when BA and SQ shared a concorde where one side of the fuselage was painted in SQ coulours and the othe side in BA colours !

This would be the first time I am aware of the practice that came to be known as codesharing though AFAIK ithe term was not used at the time. I'm not sure though if SQ provided the cabin crew then.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3):
For me the first codeshare would be when BA and SQ shared a concorde where one side of the fuselage was painted in SQ coulours and the othe side in BA colours !



Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 4):
I thought codeshare was introduce in early 80s not 90s



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Codeshare services existed long before 1990

I was just quoting Wikipedia, you're all correct, of course  Wink

JC



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):

"Code sharing is a business term which first originated in the airline industry in 1990 when the Australian airline, Qantas Airways and American Airlines combined services from Australian cities to an array of U.S. domestic cities.

I don't think so...maybe first in the Australian airline industry, but not at all in the industry in general.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 4):
I thought codeshare was introduce in early 80s not 90s since I recall for my example AC and JM codeshare on YYZ-MBJ.

Yeah... Codeshares origianlly originated as a method of 'tricking' airline computer reservations systems. The systems were (and are) programmed to give a bias to connecting flights on the same airline -- i.e. a connection from an American flight to another American flight will be "ranked" higher in the list than a connection between an American flight and a Delta flight.

By "codesharing" one airline is affixing its code on another airline's flights -- therefore fooling the reservation system into thinking that there's not a change of airline.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5512 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 8):
By "codesharing" one airline is affixing its code on another airline's flights -- therefore fooling the reservation system into thinking that there's not a change of airline.

Nicely concise; Lincoln; and it's a mistake to conclude these flights are especially profitable for the airline that isn't doing the flying. Many a.net threads include a poster who says, "Airline X doesn't need to fly the route; they can codeshare with Airline Y." Unless, however, the two airlines have a cooperative arrangement such as REVENUE sharing (NW-KL, for example), the codeshare isn't much more than a frequent flyer incentive.



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