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Boeing In Deal With ST Aero For 767 P2F  
User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Reuters is reporting that Boeing is about to announce a deal with ST Aero to perform 767 conversions (variant not specified). There is no mention of the other Boeing 767SF supplier Aeronavali in the article. I wonder if Boeing is pulling the work out of Italy or simply opening up with a second supplier. I heard the delays on the 762SF were due to Boeing engineering; anyone with inside scoop help us out here!

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...20_SIN210420&type=comktNews&rpc=44

I also wonder where this work will be done. You might think that ST Aero would have their hands full with 87 FX 752SF's on order.

[Edited 2007-03-06 15:39:18]

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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I am guessing it's a second supplier since Boeing feels conversion demand will be heavy.

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
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Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.

"Special Freighter". Essentially the same as the 744BCF (Boeing Converted Freighter) which was originally also know as the 744SF.

Boeing certifies a passenger to freighter conversion kit which they then sell to third parties to do the actual work.


User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this

I was referring to the 767-200 converted freighter, an Aeronavali STC program with under license from Boeing. It's an old habit to use SF to refer to a freighter conversion but now there are a host of marketing designations to use.

The 767-300BCF is a Boeing converted 767-300 via a service bulletin and changed type certificate using supplier parts and labor. Previously Boeing announced that Aeronavali would be the partner for the 767-300BCF so this is a surprise.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 2):
Im sorry whats a 767SF? This is the first ive heard of this.

"Special Freighter". Essentially the same as the 744BCF (Boeing Converted Freighter) which was originally also know as the 744SF.

Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3364 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

That I cannot answer, as I am not familiar with the specifics. However, if Boeing is using the same kits and certifications, it should not be.


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

How popular is the 762/762ER for freight purposes? What would be the appeal there over 763ERs really, other than the fact that it's probably easier to get a hold of them? Just curious what the market is.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

That I cannot answer, as I am not familiar with the specifics. However, if Boeing is using the same kits and certifications, it should not be.

I think the concept of airlines them selves converting their own aircraft is kinda cool. Hope they do it across the range.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
I think the concept of airlines them selves converting their own aircraft is kinda cool. Hope they do it across the range.

I think you will find that few (if any) airlines have the manpower, facilities or expertise to try a cargo conversion on their own. It is a massive job and would tie up a couple of service bays and many mechanics for several months for each airframe. Airlines are set up for maintenance not modification programs.


User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Is there any difference between the -SP spec and those 767s that have already had a conversion?

For 767-200ER conversions the Boeing endorsed program offers 20 pallets and payload as high as 101,000 lbs. For the IAI Bedek program they have 19 pallets and a maximum of 93,400 lbs. of payload. However, with the 767-200 there are a lot of weight combinations so getting the highest payload requires specific passengers planes to start with.


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Here's the press release:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q1/070307b_nr.html



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