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UA - Warranty On Paint?  
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

I had heard about the peeling new c/s UA jets, but finally see one here. Does anyone with UA know what they plan to do about this? Obviously they got a crappy paint job (and for what they probably paid, can't expect much more) but this is pretty bad, especially since this aircraft was not even painted a year ago.


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User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

even if they get a free paint job, i doubt they will be reimbursed for the time this aircraft spends out of service being repainted. If so many of their aircraft are in this condition, i guess they got what they paid for.

User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

It appears as though they weren't stripped, just painted over the old colors. Not good.

User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

I work for UA at PDX. I see the 737's come in all the time looking like !@#$. A VP was here last week telling us how great everything is at United. Someone mentioned the piss poor paint jobs, and his response was "I haven't noticed". I expect nothing less from upper management!

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4858 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5910 times:
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I saw a UA 757 at SAN last night that had a HUGE area above the titles where paint had peeled away. Sad...


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User currently offlineWesternDC1010 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 329 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5882 times:

Does UA paint their own planes or is the work contracted out? I've seen a few Southwest planes with fading and peeling paint as well and do you think that maybe some of the peeling and fading is due to de-icing? I mean, the paint shouldn't just peel like that, but I guess cheap budgeting for cheap paint will lead to this.

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User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
I saw a UA 757 at SAN last night that had a HUGE area above the titles where paint had peeled away. Sad...

I was on the 757 in question going DEN-DFW, pathetic, but still better than the deterioriating gray on the rest of the fleet.



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User currently offlineCactusmurf From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Unfortunately, this problem isn't only with United, I work in ops. and on the ramp for USAirways at SMF, which is an all America West station, and a lot of the new paint jobs are already starting to peel away, especially around the engine cowlings. And of course, US is doing this on the cheap because they just painted over the America West scheme, so as the paint chips away, you can see America West colors. Pretty tacky, but not suprised.

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

I noticed that the tails of TED aircraft appears to be very faded as well. Or is that the color they are supposed to be?

User currently offlineIPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 2):
It appears as though they weren't stripped, just painted over the old colors. Not good.

Is that normal? I'm sure stripping the old paint costs money, but so does leaving several hundred pounds of paint on an aircraft that flies every day.

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 3):
A VP was here last week telling us how great everything is at United. Someone mentioned the piss poor paint jobs, and his response was "I haven't noticed".

Did he fly in and out on regular UA flights or on a corporate jet?


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Reply 5):
Does UA paint their own planes or is the work contracted out?

United hasn't painted its own planes in years. They closed the paint shop at SFO do to the far left people complaining about the fumes in the air. Most of the aircraft are painted by a third party company at VCV.

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 9):
Did he fly in and out on regular UA flights or on a corporate jet?

They fly on United.


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Have any of the United Express planes shown any peeling?


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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 11):
Have any of the United Express planes shown any peeling?

I haven't noticed any peeling, but of course, a lot of the UEX birds entered service after the new livery was released and have only been painted in those colors.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 2):
It appears as though they weren't stripped, just painted over the old colors. Not good.

Which strikes me as absolutely ridiculous, given that UA's painting schedule is supposed to go along with their C-Check schedule, where aircraft are stripped anyway.

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 8):
Or is that the color they are supposed to be?

The Ted tails are supposed to be a yellow, which may be why you thought they were faded

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 9):
Is that normal? I'm sure stripping the old paint costs money, but so does leaving several hundred pounds of paint on an aircraft that flies every day.

Yeah, it seems quite counter-intuitive to just paint over the aircraft.

Quoting IPFreely (Reply 9):


Did he fly in and out on regular UA flights or on a corporate jet?

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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
The Ted tails are supposed to be a yellow, which may be why you thought they were faded

Well I thought they were supposed to be like a golden, or orange but I noticed they appear to be a pale yellow. So I was not sure if that was faded or if that was the actually color they were shooting for.


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Well whether they're not stripping the aircraft then painting, or they're not using a sealer over the Aluminum and the paint isn't sticking. We know when done right the paint does indeed stick, nothing leaves A or B and peels within a year!

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5210 times:

I recently asked about this... apparently it's a 737 and 757 problem for birds painted in 2006. Maintenance is VERY aware of the problem and is addressing it. There is some sort of corrosion protectant underneith the paint so the metal should be fine according to my source at SFOLM. Sorry I can't get into specifics...


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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Well if it matters, aircraft paint is usually only warrantied for 3 years weather it's a repaint or brand new out of the factory. Also if an airplane is flying in a lot of icing and dusty areas that will effect the paint life also.

User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

I've noticed peeling paint on a few DL birds as well. Is this normal for virtually every airline nowadays?


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 16):
I recently asked about this... apparently it's a 737 and 757 problem for birds painted in 2006. Maintenance is VERY aware of the problem and is addressing it. There is some sort of corrosion protectant underneith the paint so the metal should be fine according to my source at SFOLM. Sorry I can't get into specifics...

What would make this issue specific to certain fleet types? Is there something in particular that would make this happen just on the 737 and 757? Just wondering.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 10):
Most of the aircraft are painted by a third party company at VCV.

Most UAL aircraft are painted in AMA and GLH. Last I knew, both UAL and USAirways planes were painted by the same company. Peeling paint is the result of one thing.... Poor preperation. It can be anything from not removing all contaminants to allowing the primer to dry. Top coat must be shot on within an hour or two of primer application.

Quoting WesternDC1010 (Reply 5):
I've seen a few Southwest planes with fading

Southwest planes are fading because they went with Canyon Blue......!!! That color has a high blue/purple content which fades quickly under sunlight...UV light

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 2):
It appears as though they weren't stripped, just painted over the old colors. Not good.

Not good why....?? 'Scuff and paint' is very common and is a good, quick way to repaint....plus you have very little Haz-Mat to deal with. I'd say 60% of the planes I've over seen being painted were done just this way.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 10):
They closed the paint shop at SFO do to the far left people complaining about the fumes in the air

Ah, yes. The same ones who are preventing SFO to expand into the bay to increase the separation between runways and thus allow simultaneous operation in bad weather.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 18):
I've noticed peeling paint on a few DL birds as well. Is this normal for virtually every airline nowadays?

Were they in the Wavy Gravy paint scheme? I only ask because there are a few 767s and 757s left in the old Ron Allen colors that are definitely showing their paintjob age. Another thing to consider is the time between heavy maintenance checks for their planes. Wavy Gravy was introduced in 1999/2000 so if a plane hasn't undergone a big check since then or is coming close to being due for their next one you could have a paint job pushing 7 years old. I have noticed some of the 767s looking a little beat up on the nose and I recall one 757 that looked completely ghetto the way it was peeling and faded all over. Hopefully they got it in for a paint job since I haven't seen it in a few months.



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
I recall one 757 that looked completely ghetto the way it was peeling and faded all over

Yeah that could be it. I was flying SLC-ORD-MUC-BRE (with LH and UA). On the ramp in SLC I saw the 757-200, and was very surprised because it looked like someone had scrapped a bunch of paint off the nose.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting D950 (Reply 6):
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
I saw a UA 757 at SAN last night that had a HUGE area above the titles where paint had peeled away. Sad...

I was on the 757 in question going DEN-DFW, pathetic, but still better than the deterioriating gray on the rest of the fleet.

I was on it for MCI-DEN Sunday. A huge area was bare metal. Several of the seat arm rests were duck taped down. I can't believe they haven't taken time to fix up this aircraft. Looked like something from the 3rd world. Pitiful.


25 N174UA : Probably just finished a Human Resources seminar. No HR person will ever complain about a company, ever. Plain and simple. They're the kind of folks
26 Cancidas : think this was the same bird i was at LGA. looks shitty to say the least, worse that it's a new paint job.
27 MCOflyer : Anyone have a picture of it? MCOflyer
28 Post contains links DonnieCS : Deicing does damaged the paint over time. http://www.dow.com/PublishedLiteratu...oreg/183-00003.pdf&fromPage=GetDoc On page 19 of the bulletin is a se
29 Platinumfoota : I totally agree. I work for UA and its mostly the 737 and 757 always in the same places, above the cockpit windows and the whole top of the aircraft.
30 HangarRat : Off topic, but what does that mean? Also off topic, but did anyone else notice the Ocean Air F100 in the background of the lead off picture?
31 Post contains images Morvious : Is it true that United did really paint over the old paint? Strange, I always thought that with D-Checks, you had to strip all the paint from the fuse
32 EMBQA : That means they can't be bumped off a flight. The seat is assigned to them.
33 Post contains images MDorBust : I bet American isn't having too many problems with paint peeling.
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