KSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
I was checking out some shots of the Dornier 328jet and as usual looked up some background info on wikipedia. I notice that it says production by Dornier halted in 2002 when it went under. Wikipedia goes on to say that AvCraft Aviation of Virginia acquired rights to the program and delivered its first jet in 2004. AvCraft then went under in 2005, but was reformed under the name of M7 Aerospace.
What is the current status of the Dornier 328 line? For such a beautiful looking jet I am surprised it has seen such little success...but I guess looks aren't everything. In a way it does live on with the new Antonov An-148 as it does look very similar. I guess we can tie the Antonov into this thread as well...will some of the western 328Jet operators possibly look to replace the 328 with Antonov An-148, or are they more likely to go with an ERJ? Also, can a reopened 328Jet line possible compete with the An-148?
Skyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3925 times:
Quoting KSUpilot (Thread starter): will some of the western 328Jet operators possibly look to replace the 328 with Antonov An-148, or are they more likely to go with an ERJ?
First of all, the 328 is a 32 seat jet and the -148 is a 100 seat jet. You can almost be guarantied that no western carriers will operate an Antonov. Regional Jets as the -328 is are usually replaced by another RJs, so yes ERJ or CRJ would be the replacement.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3717 times:
Quoting JBo (Reply 2): The 328Jet was a development of the 328 turboprop ... going from one of the fastest turboprops to one of the slowest RJs.
It's still a nice aircraft and may have seen more success if they'd gone ahead with the 428JET ... which would have featured improvements such as thrust reversers in addition to the larger capacity.
In hindsight, Dornier might have been better off improving on the 328 prop series and eventually building a 428 prop as large props are now making a comeback.
My first experience on a 328 involved an emergency landing due to engine problems. The pilot shut an engine down due to a warning, and it was an ex Horizon Air bird painted all grey. Scary experience! But, I did get on another 328 the next day, and I was impressed with it.
I know Horizon had a bunch of them, but eventually got rid of them. I think it was because of maintenance issues. I would like to see them bring back production, and maybe try to relaunch the 428JET.
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3480 times:
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6): Dornier 328s would surely be a welcomed product!
If you need a jet to travel 500NM or less and get in and out of high terrain areas, then the 328Jet is what you want. But if you need range and speed, it's hands down the ERJ-135. All 30 some seaters will have weight restrictions, the 328Jet have plenty of them.
Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2039 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3437 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3): I know Horizon had a bunch of them, but eventually got rid of them. I think it was because of maintenance issues. I would like to see them bring back production
I flew on the 328 with Horizon on several occasions, and loved them. They really didn't last very long in the QX fleet, though. Only a few years. One of my dad's friends flew the 328 for them, and he once told me why they got rid of them, but I don't recall what it was off hand. Sure would be nice to see it go back into production. Of coures, I'd even more like to see the 728 in production. I know it will never happen, but that was the most beautiful airplane I ever saw.
KSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3347 times:
Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 4): I think the Envoy - the business version of the 328 - is a great platform for a business jet.
Too bad there are not more of them.
I agree, and it is one of the better looking biz-jets out there as well.
They were also planning a stretched version of the 328, it would have been nice to have seen how that would have worked out. Dornier could have eventually made a larger, 100 seat version to go head to head with Antonov.
Terryb99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
I flew a few segments last year on Seair's 328's. The first flight was on one of their LET 410's. We bumped and jumped all over the sky during a rain storm from Clark to Manila, with several passengers getting air sick. When we were ready to board for the next flight to Caticlan, that 328 looked like a 737 in comparison, lol.
What a great plane, smooth, comfortable, and pressurized.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6900 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 10): Dornier could have eventually made a larger, 100 seat version to go head to head with Antonov.
FYI, the FD 928 design was for a low-wing aircraft that had nothing in common with the 328. FD's plans were for a stretched 328 (designated the 428 as others have pointed out) and then the larger 528, 728 and 928 clean sheet design variants with only the 728 getting to the assembly stage.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 28494 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2931 times:
Quoting KSUpilot (Thread starter): For such a beautiful looking jet I am surprised it has seen such little success...
Its operating costs were frightful and it was little faster, even slower than, turboprops. The Q400 offers twice the capacity, just as fast and with less cost risk
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 1): Regional Jets as the -328 is are usually replaced by another RJs, so yes ERJ or CRJ would be the replacement.
It would make more sense to replace them with props
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6): Never been on the 328 JET - a very good concept but wrong engines!
I disagree that it was ever a good concept. The engines weren't the only problem, the whole aircraft should have had a complete redesign if Dornier wanted to make a jet. Further, the CASM on a 30 seat jet is absolutely ridiculous.
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6): The 30-seater market is badly "unexploited" with Embarer offering a jet and prop in that category but with crippling performance (135) in terms of TO and Landing filed requirement.
The 135's performance is fine for pretty much every market it needs to serve. The reason that aircraft hasn't sold that well is because it is too damn small to be burning Jet A
Quoting AirEMS (Reply 11): So could it almost be a replacement for the BAe-146? for places like Aspen?
Quoting JBo (Reply 13): Except it's about half the size.
Less than half the size, much higher CASM.
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 19): Is that for the 100 (prop) or 300 (Jet) series?
Skyway only flies the -300, not the -100.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss