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FireArms Found In Luggage On DL MCO-SJU Flight  
User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

I just came across this story which I find incredibly disturbing...

http://www.local6.com/news/11187701/detail.html

Apparently a passenger transported a large number of fire arms, and drugs in his luggage and this was not detected until the flight arrived in SJU from MCO. The report does not state whether the items were in carry-on (which IMO is highly unlikely) or in his checked luggage. Surely, regardless of where these items were on the aircraft, they simply should not be on it at all, and that the TSA should have picked up on them? I know at MCO checked bags are placed through scanners immediately after check-in, so how was it that they didn't manage to get this guy before he boarded the flight? Does any one have any thoughts or further information on this event? The article states that it was a DL flight MCO-SJU, but no further information is given.

Thanks,

MCO2BRS

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User currently offlineCactushp From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Probably because he worked there, he somehow got the bag onboard the aircraft.


Sorry, I was on the landline
User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

I see that the article has been updated within the last few minutes to add that information, however my initial questions remain, how did he manage to get this onto the plane to begin with? Obviously there has been a massive lapse in security here! Do ground crew under go similar security checks as passengers before beginning their shifts and coming into contact with the aircraft?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

Great, just great. A non-rev smuggling guns and drugs....

Thanks a bunch pal....  Yeah sure


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Thread starter):
Surely, regardless of where these items were on the aircraft, they simply should not be on it at all

It is NOT illegal to transport firearms or amunition in your luggage...although you need to go through the proper steps. In this case it is clear he did not



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
Quoting MCO2BRS (Thread starter):
Surely, regardless of where these items were on the aircraft, they simply should not be on it at all

It is NOT illegal to transport firearms or ammunition in your luggage...although you need to go through the proper steps. In this case it is clear he did not

But but GUNS ARE EVIL!!!! I WILL DIE IF I SEE A GUN!!!!!

I really am starting to think that it should be mandatory that every man and woman in this nation should have to take a extensive gun safety/handling class and be required to shoot at least 1000 rounds of .22LR ammo before they are 18. Doesn't mean they will ever have to touch one again, but it would go along way to dispelling its "magic wand" image where you pull the trigger and people die. Or people die cause its just sitting there.

After all people are around guns ALOT more than they think they are. Every cop has at least one. Some security guards. Anything that helps people to remain calm around a cop with a drawn weapon is a good thing since calm people do far less stupid stuff.


User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Yes, it is legal to put a firearm in checked luggage as long as it is properly stowed away in a case. I love guns and just ordered a .45ACP last friday so it should be in within the next couple of days. Shoot on people.

Slovacek747


User currently offlineTurpentyine From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

TSA does not look for drugs. Thats is DEA or Customs's job.

User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

So what I'm getting from you guys so far is that, it is OK for this guy to have taken 13 hand guns, an automatic gun similar to an M-16, and 8 bags of marijuana onto the aircraft (be it checked or otherwise)? As EMBQA pointed out, it is legal for the weapons to be on the aircraft, provided the appropriate steps are taken, this is something I was not aware of. I understand that every American has the right to bear arms, but to carry a small arsenal with them? What concerns me is the fact that these items got onto this aircraft WITHOUT the appropriate steps being taken. I hate to seem paranoid, but this blatant failure in security could have been taken advantage of by someone with far sinister intentions.

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

this garbage from the useless TSA...

A TSA spokesman in Washington would not say when or how the agency's Orlando personnel found out about the drugs and guns in the commercial airliner.

"We can't discuss the details of an ongoing criminal investigation," said TSA spokesman Christopher White. "What we can say is that no weapons were brought through the security checkpoints and that at no time were passengers in danger."



But he didn't have any prohibited liquids...


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5724 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Thread starter):
and that the TSA should have picked up on them?



Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 9):
this garbage from the useless TSA...

A TSA spokesman in Washington would not say when or how the agency's Orlando personnel found out about the drugs and guns in the commercial airliner.

As comedian Bobby Collins would say: "THESE guys are our first line of defense at the airports? *Screams* We're not talking PH. d's, or GED's, were talking D-U-M-B! Same idiots as before, just with different shirts!"



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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 9):
But he didn't have any prohibited liquids...

I went through MCO last week, and bought a gag gift for a friend, a Florida Snow Globe, when I purchased it I was given a Ziploc bag and was told that I had to place it in the bag, and have my receipt out to show the TSA when going through security. It's great knowing that apparently my stupid little snow globe was more scrutinised than what this idiot put on the aircraft.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 8):
So what I'm getting from you guys so far is that, it is OK for this guy to have taken 13 hand guns, an automatic gun similar to an M-16, and 8 bags of marijuana onto the aircraft (be it checked or otherwise)? As EMBQA pointed out, it is legal for the weapons to be on the aircraft, provided the appropriate steps are taken, this is something I was not aware of. I understand that every American has the right to bear arms, but to carry a small arsenal with them? What concerns me is the fact that these items got onto this aircraft WITHOUT the appropriate steps being taken. I hate to seem paranoid, but this blatant failure in security could have been taken advantage of by someone with far sinister intentions.

yes. 13 handguns + "M16" properly checked are no threat to me.

8 bags of weed? What so he can get stoned and want to eat some salty snacks?


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 11):
I went through MCO last week, and bought a gag gift for a friend, a Florida Snow Globe, when I purchased it I was given a Ziploc bag and was told that I had to place it in the bag, and have my receipt out to show the TSA when going through security.

You know snowglobes and Florida are a legend on a.net?

Seriously, they had you put it in a baggie?


:::ugh:::


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Anyone who's ever worked at an airport knows how easy it is to bypass "security".


"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Just heard it on the radio here in MCO....

It was a Comair employee who has been arrested.


User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1652 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
It is NOT illegal to transport firearms or amunition in your luggage...although you need to go through the proper steps. In this case it is clear he did

You need to declare ant fire arms at check-in, they must be a locked case. Ammunition may NEVER be transported on a commercial airline by Non-LE, not even as freight.



My Country can beat up your Country....
User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 16):
Ammunition may NEVER be transported on a commercial airline by Non-LE, not even as freight.

Most airlines actually allow up to 11 pounds of ammunition to be checked with a gun. The only restriction is that the ammo must be under .50 caliber or 8 gauge.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

According to these quotes from the Local6.com website:

Munoz then placed the guns and drugs by a security area near the departure gate, and by 11 a.m. he boarded the flight with the duffle bag, the affidavit said.

And..

A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms representative told Local 6 that Munoz had an automatic weapon in a suitcase on board the flight, Local 6's Jessica D'Onofrio said.

The individual boarded the flight with the guns and drugs in his carry-on. However, according to the crack TSA spokesman:

Passengers were never in danger, said Christopher White, a spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration Agency in Washington.


"While we cannot discuss details of an ongoing criminal matter, no weapons were brought through the passenger security checkpoint and at no time were passengers in any danger," White said.

However, Mr. White, had the guns been loaded and the individual working on behalf of terrorists, would the headlines have been extremely different?


User currently offlineNelsonde From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 18):
However, Mr. White, had the guns been loaded and the individual working on behalf of terrorists, would the headlines have been extremely different?

Yeah, "gunman killed by police at MCO..."

-DEN



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4921 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
It is NOT illegal to transport firearms or amunition in your luggage...although you need to go through the proper steps. In this case it is clear he did not

I have a gun(s) and ammo in my checked bag just about everytime I fly somewhere where I can carry a gun. Fill out the proper paperwork and show it to the TSA and no big deal.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 12):
yes. 13 handguns + "M16" properly checked are no threat to me.

No threat to me either. The most guns I ever checked was 4 and another buddy had four so there were at least eight guns on that plane. I saw several gun cases at the bag carousel so I bet there was more than 14 guns on that plane.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 16):
Ammunition may NEVER be transported on a commercial airline by Non-LE, not even as freight.

Never had a problem with that either. I have ordered ammo through the mail overnight. I am sure it was on an airplane to get to me overnight.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 17):
The only restriction is that the ammo must be under .50 caliber or 8 gauge.

They also usually want it in its original packaging or a "can" made to carry ammo.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 5):
After all people are around guns ALOT more than they think they are. Every cop has at least one. Some security guards.

Lots of regular people, like me, carry concealed pistols legally and you never know who they are.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 8):
I hate to seem paranoid, but this blatant failure in security could have been taken advantage of by someone with far sinister intentions.

If the guns are not in a carry on bag they pose no danger to the crew or passengers. Sure the guy may be doing something illegal, but maybe the guy next to you has a bunch of balloons full of snow in his butt. That is also sinister, but not a danger to the airplane, crew, or passengers.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 6):
Shoot on people.

You can never have too many guns or enjoy shooting too much....



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Do I understand correctly? Did he have the guns with him in his carryon? I think they were not checked on, but carried on.....


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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Last time I arrived at JAX from DFW, while waiting for my golf clubs.....it become apparent that I was probably the only passenger aboard that did NOT have a gun. One deer rifle after another on the carosel.

Nothing really to worry about.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4757 times:
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Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 22):
Last time I arrived at JAX from DFW, while waiting for my golf clubs.....it become apparent that I was probably the only passenger aboard that did NOT have a gun. One deer rifle after another on the carosel.

I have seen that before especially at some smaller airports, which many times are close to choice hunting spots, around deer season.



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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4700 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 20):
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 8):I hate to seem paranoid, but this blatant failure in security could have been taken advantage of by someone with far sinister intentions.
If the guns are not in a carry on bag they pose no danger to the crew or passengers. Sure the guy may be doing something illegal, but maybe the guy next to you has a bunch of balloons full of snow in his butt. That is also sinister, but not a danger to the airplane, crew, or passengers.

What I was referring to was the severe breech in security, it could have been something far more dangerous than guns... i.e. some sort of explosive device. I don't care whether he was carrying guns, water pistols or an illegal consignment of spoons! It's the fact that it shows how easy it would be for someone to do something like this, that is what really gets me about this, especially when airport security here in the U.S. is supposed to be at its highest level!

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 13):
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 11):I went through MCO last week, and bought a gag gift for a friend, a Florida Snow Globe, when I purchased it I was given a Ziploc bag and was told that I had to place it in the bag, and have my receipt out to show the TSA when going through security.
You know snowglobes and Florida are a legend on a.net?

Seriously, they had you put it in a baggie?


:::ugh:::

Yeah, I had to have it in the bag, and receipt on hand to show TSA. Which, by the way, they never asked for once I got there.


25 Falstaff : I know what you mean. It really chaps my hide when I get screws put to me, like most other travelers, but somebody gets away with something. It does
26 Post contains links and images Aa757first : I agree, but its irrelevant here. Obviously, it wasn't properly declared. It is a problem then. http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...D=8A1EB83B2F93
27 AvConsultant : I'm listening to WLW out of CVG on XM Channel 173. They are reporting these guys are Comair Employees. Labor issues, finding the correct runway, now r
28 MCO2BRS : These guys are from Kissimmee, not the worst place to be from here in the Orlando area, but there is certainly isn't the best, it does an elevated cr
29 Jetdeltamsy : Employees coming in from the employee parking lots, which they are allowed to use when traveling on personal business, do not pass through any kind o
30 AvConsultant : I predict plugging the gaps are in the works. Reminds me of a comment by my dad, "it only takes one or two to screw it up for the rest. Don't strive
31 Jetdeltamsy : I agree. And it's overdue. I think it's been so long in coming because at a hub, where there are thousands of employees coming and going with each sh
32 Bicoastal : Employees who are going to board a flight are required by law to go through TSA screening like any other passenger. This slime-bag broke the law by sm
33 Jetdeltamsy : Yes, that is the law. But when basically honest employees who are carrying nothing illegal skirt the rule, do you really expect the bad guys to follo
34 Bicoastal : SAN is the only airport where I know employees well. They follow the rules. When they're going to get on a flight, they go through security with ever
35 Jetdeltamsy : At O'Hare. I should have been more specific. At Chicago O'Hare.
36 JetJeanes : They had id,s to bypass security somehow,,, Nice set of weapons to be hunting in sju...lol Normally the weed comes from that direction
37 Post contains links TPAnx : It looks as though there's already an effort to plug it...by making airport workers go through the same sort of security we pax do...details here: ht
38 USPIT10L : I've never heard of anyone going through the bagroom to make a flight as a passenger. Those OH employees shouldn't just be arrested, they should be f
39 Copter808 : It's relatively easy to screen passengers boarding a flight--that's what we do now! Think about screening airport workers for a moment... If we use th
40 Jetdeltamsy : Just heard today that effective 3/14, all ORD emloyees parking i the employee lots will be bussed to the main entrance of the airport and all employe
41 Movingtin : Totally screwed up ! I bet it will only last for days, the delays will be thru the roof. No amount of security will stop some wacko from skirting the
42 DTWAGENT : Well that is a black eye to TSA. Bush is spending so much on this war and not enough on the TSA and other things here in the US. God I hope this is no
43 Copter808 : There are reports now that there were 2 Federal Air Marshals onboard the flight. ...and the Politicians are demanding immediate increases in security.
44 OPNLguy : If the weapons/drugs were in the carry-on duffle bag as the article at the begining of this thread seems to imply, that's one hell of a risk to be ex
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