Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22 Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6858 times:
Atleast according to luchtvaartnieuws.nl. This order would bring the number of 787s on order by First Choice to 12. It is not clear if this is a new order or if these 4 aircraft were previously booked as unidentified.
Interesting detail. First Choice (a British charter company) is with 12 787s on order, currently, Europe's biggest customer.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1456 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6821 times:
What's up with the small 787 orders lately?....ala the old A350! Haven't seen a large order on this baby for a while. EIther way, good for Boeing and First Choice. Hopefully it won't be long now before we see a 'big' 787 order from Europe.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4238 posts, RR: 88
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6782 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW COMMUNITY MANAGER
Here is a link in English
Separately the company announced today that it would exercise the remainder of its option over Boeing 787 aircraft. The company will add four more of the mid-sized, long-distance planes to its order. It now has 12 planes on order, with the first two due for delivery in 2009. The new planes will allow the company to fly 10,000 miles non-stop and could be used to fly to Asia.
Correct Manni, it does take their orders to 12 and given the demand for the model it appears that they need to exercise their options to ensure they secure delivery. IIRC these 4 frames are the last options that First Choice held on the model. The question remains, are these new orders or already accounted for as UFO.
The plane is closing in on first flight, so the large orders are probably waiting to see how she does, plus Airbus is still not ready to offer stable figures for the A350XWB so it makes it difficult for airlines to accurately audit their RFPs.
So we may be seeing option-holders exercising them to secure delivery slots which could be seen as a sign of their confidence in whatever information Boeing is providing them.
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3469 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6558 times:
likely its that options are needing to be taken or slots lost. So lots of airlines with early option slots are being told that they have to take them and take them now because other airlines are willing to put cash on the barrel for the slots with a firm order. Since most want all the 787 they can get, its a no brainer to take up all the early frames you can before you lose the slots.
Quoting Manni (Reply 6): There's nothing wrong with small orders, that's if you get plenty of them. They are likely to be more profitable ( on a per airplane basis) then those orders of 30 and 50 aircraft we've seen.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7133 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6462 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 2): It 's a shame no major European carrier has ordered the 787 yet!
I believe LH will place an order soon.
The 787 already has won the internal race between the A350 once and LH gave Airbus time to redesign the aircraft.
Now we have March and I expect an order either in April or May if LH does not postpond their decision again (but could they afford that with BA also ordering soon and delivery slots running away).
Even if they decide in favor for the A350 I can see them ordering the 787 just for the same reason as they did order the 737-400 back then. They ordered the 737-400 although having commited to the A320 as well. LH was just very sceptical if Airbus could deliver as promised so with the delivery date of the A350 being uncertain I can see them ordering the 787 as well.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7364 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5309 times:
With delivery slots sold out for the next few years I'm not surprised to see airlines hanging back and delaying orders until a) the 787 flies or b) Airbus gets its act together with the A350 or c) both. 2012 is a long way away and many things can change between now and then.
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