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User currently offlineKrisworldB777 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 571 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

SIA is my preferred carrier and I always choose to fly with them. It is extremely rare to have a bad experience but I do question the ability of some of the pilots.

1. Upon landing in Perth 2 years ago aboard an A340, I was alarmed at the shocking landing in near perfect weather. The aircraft literally rabbit hopped along the runway.

2. Again, landing in Perth, my SIA 777 made 3 aborted landings (in bad weather) while other aircraft seemed to land OK.

SIA have a wide variety of nationalities flying their aircraft and from my personal experiences, i certainly find the Western captains more competant. I hope this does not sound racist, but ALL my rough landings are performed by Asian crew.

If there are any SIA pilots out there, I would like to hear from you. Also, any one got any other stories to tell about SIA??

Cheers guys!

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User currently offlineCathay pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

i always hear you guys takl about the 'conflicts' they have in the flight deck.....but what are they??? can someone tell me??????

    Cathay Pacific........Same Team, Same Dream    



cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Yeah...their A340s, they really should train their pilots better.

1) Landing in Guangzhou in bad weather, the plane missed approach once and could not land smoothly on the second attempt.

2) Landing in Singapore from Perth, terrible weather, I doubt if the plane was high enough, it was flying quite low and we could just sense it. The pilot pulled the aircraft nosed up for a few moments and touch down was not straight, it was zig-zag down the runway.

My only one good landing in the A340 was in Beijing a few weeks ago. The landing was near to perfect.

I've had no problems on their 777s so far. In fact, I saw one land at Perth IN THE COCKPIT and it was done manually. Smooth and straight...this is probably something other airlines have too, maybe isolated incidents. You were saying the plane missed approach, it's the correct procedure...safety first!  

Cathay Pacific...The Wings of Asia!


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

That is concerning and distressing and amazing and shocking and devestating.

This must be reported to Singapore Airlines immediately or if you won't I will. Passenger safety must come first before love caviar in First Class and free-flowing champagne in Ecnomy.

Thankyo Krisworld777 for pointing this oooh story out to us.

Cathay Pacific - Isn't it same dream same team?



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineEd Toner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

http://www.pprune.org/cgibin/Ultimate.cgi
This is a Prof. Pilots site with 21,000+ members. Check the RUMORS AND NEWS section, and read the threads about SIA. Also, check the archives. Some hair-raising stories there, and they seem to be credible.


User currently offlineCathay pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Singapore_Air:

it is Same Team, Same Dream, have a look at the pic......


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    Cathay Pacific.....Same Team, Same Dream    




cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineCathay pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

should i still be excited in flying SQ to HK from SYD next month????  


cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineFaisZ From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2526 times:

I don't belive that asian pilots are 'incompetant'. I was flying from Lahore back home to Singapore and the pilot was Singaporean (telling from his 'singlish' accent) and the landing was near perfect, i did not feel any bump when we touchdowned, we just glided smoothly.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER

When i was flying to Beijing from Singapore, we had a western captain. The landing was bad and scary too. A few negative G's here and there on the decent even though the sky was clear. And the touchdown was done on one wheel as the plane was obviously lop sided when we touched down.

I personally feel that it doesn't matter.
BTW Cathay Pacific.....Same Team, Same Dream....yeah Dream on. (no offense/flame based on opinion etc etc yeah.)


User currently offlineFaisZ From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2520 times:

I don't belive that asian pilots are 'incompetant'. I was flying from Lahore back home to Singapore and the pilot was Singaporean (telling from his 'singlish' accent) and the landing was near perfect, i did not feel any bump when we touchdowned, we just glided smoothly.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER

When i was flying to Beijing from Singapore, we had a western captain. The landing was bad and scary too. A few negative G's here and there on the decent even though the sky was clear. And the touchdown was done on one wheel as the plane was obviously lop sided when we touched down.

I personally feel that it doesn't matter about the race of the pilot.


User currently offlineFaisZ From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2496 times:

Sorry for the double post.
I guess you all get to see the un-censored version now 


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

I know a number of SQ 744 commanders who are former AI pilots, and my honest opinion (gleaned from conversations with them) is that SQ are often forced to compromise their operational standards because of the continually changing nature of their fleet. Introducing new aircraft types on a regular basis is great for economics and PR, but it doesn't really help the pilots develop the familiarity with the type that many other similarly experienced pilots have.

That said, I would NOT hesitate to fly on an SQ aircraft anytime. They are just as competent as everyone else in PREVENTATIVE work, but as we may have seen in the TPE incident, their REACTIVE work is not neccesarily upto their own high standards.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

This thread is still distressing. I will be checking out that website.

Cathay_Pacific: You should still be excited. You'll enjoy it.

Faisz: The reason that they land on one wheel is that there was a crosswind. They land on one wheel to see if they plane will blow over, if it does a bit, then the landing will be aborted, if it isn't then the other wheel will go down and then the front. Nothing to worry about. Quite exciting by the sounds of it.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

I've just had a look at that site. Is everyone trying to bring SIA down??? THere's one person who scrounges for anything bad about SIA.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is like the world v. Bill Gates.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

I've flown SQ four times, I have to say I did note all the landings were very rough, several were land, bounce, land, bounce, over and over before landing and I too noticed a fairly violent zig zag down the runway on every occassion. Long before all this came up it was something I associated with the airline, so recent tragic events haven't influenced me.

I've flown a lot, especially around Asia and have to say by it's not a situation I've experienced flying airlines like MH, CX, NH, BA, AN in Asia at the same airports. To me that suggests it's an SQ problem, rather than one of their operating environment. But that's hardly scientific.

I remember during the LHR 50th Birthday Celebrations, the SQ 744 got lost, while flying in formation with about 20 other jetliners, on visuals using a motorway (highway) to navigate, through clear countryside, at about 3,000 ft, clear blue skies, between Stansted and Duxford Air Museum where the formation was due to conduct a fly past, a distance of 20 miles. I actually watched it, an Air Canada 762 flying behind quick followed him, while some planes kept going straight on, others sharply turned left, into the path of a DHL DC8, who'd just conducted a fly past, an Iberia 722 behind saw what was going on and took a sharp left to avoid, it was quite a farse, but quite nasty.

At first SQ said there had been a computer fault, later they said further investigations showed they were running late and intended to do what they did to save time.


User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2452 times:


The reason why SQ lands it rough most of the times, is that the crew have been thought to do "low drag approaches". At SIA they don't have the right to use speedbrakes with the flaps extented ...just to save fuel! Oh and maybe also that some of their F/O's just have a 500 hours total flying time...

Nicolas


User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

The emphasis on landings is not a valid safety critique of a carrier. The aircraft is capable of a far harder landing than you. With large transport aircraft the quest for smooth touchdowns has lead to many a bent airframe off the end of the runway. A positive touchdown in the touchdown zone with weight on the wheels is often the best. Dropping a wing to allow for crosswind holds the danger of a pod strike, so a slightly crabbed touchdown is also the safer option.
In smooth conditions it is easier to get smoother touchdowns, however at the end of a long haul flight the mark one eyeball may be out by a millimetre, causing a firmer landing than desired, however pinpointing a 45 or 60 metre wide strip of asphalt as opposed to a mountain/building/city etc. is still the favoured option.
Happy Landings!  


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Thank you AJ. Nicolas, care to direct us to the source of your information???????


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineKrisworldB777 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

I have tried reporting the incidents to SIA but I never get a reply. Funny, I always get one when I compliment their service!

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Well I complement their service and never get a reply.

However I did mention once that on a newswire thing, pilots were reporting skidding on wet runways with A310s. They replied saying that they would investigate but they haven't had such incidents.

SIA is safe. Don't worry



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

From what I know when I consulted my uncle, who works in SIA as a flight crew, the feedback he gave me was that people can post anything on the Internet and not everyone is trustworthy. Besides, he pointed out the fact that that was a "Rumours" site.

My experience with them have been quite varied. I've flown with them for about 10 years now, and every twice a year, we make a trip (most of the time, short 1 hour trips). For the morning flights to Penang, somehow the landings are quite OK. It's usually an A310 but in recent times, we have even gotten 777s on that route. The 777 touchdown is moderate but the aftershocks are tremendous as the runway is not very well-paved in my opinion. However, last December, our A310 had to execute a standard procedural manouever as the plane was facing bearing 040 and we had to land on Runway 22 due to winds. The plane turned and started descending a little too rapidly. I did think we were lined up properly but apparently not, as the plane swung left and right (not noticeably) and we were pretty close to clipping the Seagate factory. The touchdown was OK.

However, landing in Singapore is a different story. The landings here are always very well-controlled and not too rough. Touchdown is smooth (except for once, A340 from Perth, read my post above).

Two bad landings out of three pretty much sums up either the skills of the A340 pilots or the aircraft itself. However, I will be making another trip in the A340 soon so we'll see how the landing is. The 777 landing in Perth however, was very good. Reverse thrust was not too powerful and touchdown couldn't really be felt.

I think it's best to take everything with a pinch of salt.


User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Singapore_Air: Sure, http://www.pprune.org, go to the rumour and news forum then do a search on SIA there. This forum is frequented by qualified flight crews that knows what they talk about. You'll be surprise in many point, trust me!

Nicolas


User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I know. I've been to that site before. It's quite hard to believe but I was telling my uncle all about this site. He was like laughing and saying something which I couldn't quite decipher. Anyway, I'll be flying SQ in two weeks time anyway.

Seeya!  

Cathay Pacific, Same Team Same Dream


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

To be honest we could do this to every airline.

BA 747 touches down heavily - gear breaks
UA 777 engine explodes - touches down safely.

I think because we have such high ecpectations of an airline of SIA' calibre, we are shocked distressed saddened etc.. by these reports. But these are just rumours most of the time.

I shall be bombarding SIA worldwide (USA, UK, Singapore, Singapore, Singapore) with e-mails concerning this and other things.

I'll let you know their reply (If I get one, they can just be so impolite.)



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Oh my nononononon Singapore_Air,I can easily tell my mom or my uncle who both work in SIA   .

And honestly Nicolaki,PPRUNE is not very accurate as it is a rumor forum.On our landing in HKG,it was rather smooth(B744) even though we had to fly through a low cloud.And our landing at SIN(B744) was also very smooth even though it was dark.


Gundu


User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

My dear Gundu:

Pilots ARE supposed to know how to fly an aircraft through a cloud and in darkness relatively smoothly and if they can't, then you are not in safe hands.

These are not the major obstacles. The major obstacles concern things like the approach and whether they can land straight or they have to go zig zag.


25 KrisworldB777 : Hey, lets not say that every single SIA landing is bad because they are not. I have just had some bad ones. After visiting PPRUNE myself, I was shocke
26 Post contains images Airnewzealand : WHY, WHY, WHY OH WHY is everybody bagging SIA after the incident in Taipei. It makes me feel very sick to hear all these comments about such a great a
27 KrisworldB777 : Mr Air New Zealand, I am not bagging SIA - this is a forum to hear other people's views. I have experienced bad landings aboard SIA flights and so I a
28 Nicolaki : Based on consumer satisfaction SIA is great that's true. But there is some other factors to take into account, such as safety, which is not the first
29 Jubilee777 : Nicholas, Here's my views. Pprune's so called "qualified flight crews" are basically those who had registered and has posted more than 30 posts. So, i
30 Singapore_Air : Nicolaki - Would you like to name some "safer" airlines???? OK so QANTAS the only major carrier not to have a crash hasn't crashed - yet - and hopeful
31 Jaysit : Equating a hard landing or a zigzag landing with an incompetent pilot is nonsense. Weather conditions, landing weights, cross-winds, runaway lengths,
32 Capt.Picard : For goodness sake, don't fall into the trap of believing everything you read on pprune. Pilots act just like grown-up adolescents-if you see what I me
33 Singapore_Air : Captain Piicard - Enterprise: "some CRM-related problems " what does that mean????? (the CRM I mean). Hoorah - Two comments I personally agree on. I h
34 Post contains images Airnewzealand : KrisworldB777, You are quite right. But why are all these bad and negative things coming out about SIA now and not before the Taipei incident?? Qantas
35 AJ : "Qantas is not a safe carrier, have you seen how much bad landings they do?? They over shoot runways all the time have difficulty while taxiing for ta
36 Singapore 777 : Hey Hey Qantas is not an unsafe carrier. They just had a few more minor than minor incidents. But I think they're recent 1 year old airline food case
37 Post contains images GUNDU : The dream where SPL crashed after takeoff??TOUCHWOOD!!Or Dai Ga Lai Si in Cantonese.However,SIA is still a very safe airline to fly on.In addition,my
38 Chiawei : I had very good experiences with SQ. Nice services, other than the SQ006 crash, it is one of the safest airlines. Of the subject a little. SIA is a go
39 Capt.Picard : Singapore-Air CRM stands for Crew Resource Management-I can't give a dictionary definition other than to say it is related to the effectiveness with w
40 KrisworldB777 : Captain Picard..... Well said. Now, my dad is a crisis communications and PR consultant - trains companies how to deal with a crisis. He has a few thi
41 Singapore 777 : Touchwood!! Let us all not predict whether who will be the next walking toward a major air crash ok? I think in this modern world, the standards are a
42 Singapore_Air : The LA man was James Boyd, head of SIA USA. I have had no contact from him whatsoever. I thought he handled it quite well actually. I don't know what
43 Ambasaid : Capt Picard, If you are looking for an accident waiting to happen based on culture, you don't have to look too far, try the major operator at your loc
44 Capt.Picard : Ambasaid, why do you think CRM is a joke?? It was obviously devised as a solution to some kind of problem! Yes, I don't deny lack of "CRM" has contrib
45 G-KIRAN : This topic is a bit of a joke.The next thing I know is that someone here will say that SIA is the most dangerous airline on earth due to the fact that
46 Singapore_Air : Well I thought this was buried yonks ago! The A310 over Bengal: Can we have some facts and sources please. This seems awfully fictional and untrue and
47 G-KIRAN : I 1st heard about the A310 over bengal in an airliners.net post.Also they was something about a 747 stalling at 39000ft.
48 747-fan : Oh please Its transparent that Indian guy wants to elicit the response.It was a calculated move.Ignore
49 Singapore_Air : I am surprised that post from Indian guy is here. Duh! There is a Suggest Deletion button which I'm gonna use! Yes this was highlighted on an Airliner
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