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New Delta International Gateway?  
User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 531 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16259 times:

Rumors floating around about a new Delta intl gateway, any guess or predication welcome.

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User currently offlineGSPITNL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16259 times:

LAX I would assume


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

Quoting GSPITNL (Reply 1):
LAX I would assume

LAX is already a DL international gateway, with many flights to Mexico, and a growing number to Central America.

User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16241 times:

maybe BOS with all those 757s arriving...

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16218 times:

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 3):
maybe BOS with all those 757s arriving...

...guess that gets down to what the concept of "new" is in this; seeing as the likes of DFW, MSY, PDX, MCO, BOS, etc could never technically be called 'new' gateways for that airline.  Smile

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4764 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16167 times:

Have the gates they given up at MCO been scouped up? I always though MCO would make a good gateway. The airport has the proper facilities (runways and FIS) readily available as opposed to FLL and BOS which have FIS issues with regard to where DL is located at those airports....Or maybe PDX is comming back on?

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User currently offlineDeltasju777 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16103 times:

Maybe HNL for a SYD route. Wherever it may be, my guess is the flights will be either:

1. South of the equator since on another thread I heard the announcement should come by May. That would give a few months to have flights in place for Soutern Hemisphere summer.


2. BOS with the new 757's coming in summer that can reach Europe from there. If they offer enough Intl flights maybe they can force Massport's hand into putting FIS in their new terminal.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33508 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16023 times:

It is going to really, really shock people if it happens.

[Edited 2007-03-07 23:42:50]

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 17014 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15964 times:

Im going to speculate and say MIA, MCO or PDX.

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15940 times:

guys this subject is happening in the "rumor mill" thread.

it's interesting, shocking and ballsy if it comes to fruition.

Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15919 times:

Regarding PDX, DL already tried that years ago and it didn't work out. Remember all of those PDX-Japan flights on the MD-11 in the mid-late 90's?

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15899 times:

Would be cool to see DL build up SEA......

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 17014 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15885 times:

Well a Pacific type hub does not make sense since they cannot acquire anymore Narita landing slots, why have a "hub" in Honolulu when you cannot serve the largest market (NRT-HNL).

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User currently offlineBoch From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15884 times:


SLC has to be one of the largest hubs without international service in the US (Excluding flights to Canada and Mexico)

They already have a great feeder network in place.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15825 times:

Quoting Boch (Reply 13):
SLC has to be one of the largest hubs without international service in the US (Excluding flights to Canada and Mexico)

...which, and this might come as a shock to you, is ------------wait on it---------- INTERNATIONAL SERVICE  Yeah sure

If, however, you're speaking of intercontinental service-- the airline has already considered, then deferred perhaps indefinitely, the prospect of CDG/LGW from that gateway.

User currently offlineBoch From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15718 times:

That's why I specifically excluded them, 'boy.

I could have used intercontinental, but that would leave out possible expansion to Central America and the Caribbean.

KU, KL, PK, CO, AA, US, UA, WN, AS, FL, BR, MH, KE, OZ, PR, 5J
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33508 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15707 times:

Quoting Boch (Reply 15):

I could have used intercontinental, but that would leave out possible expansion to Central America and the

Possible in what way? It isn't "possible" (as in feasable) from SLC. SLC will see Paris before Caribbean or Central America.

[Edited 2007-03-08 00:40:57]

User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15705 times:

I would really love to see DL re-start PDX as an international gateway but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Who knows though, stranger things have happened  Smile

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15701 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
It is going to really, really shock people if it happens.

Now you've got me curious!  Smile

I'm going to guess FLL. DL has been building name recognition in Latin America rapidly over the past few years, and has done surprisingly well in a number of markets out of ATL simply due to the strength of that hub, but the element they have been missing is O&D traffic, which South Florida has. If they were to shift some of those cities to FLL (or add service in addition to existing ATL flights), they'd be able to offer connections to LGA, JFK, BOS, MCO, LAX, CVG and of course ATL (and maybe others I'm forgetting) right off the bat based on their existing network, and they'd also have the benefit of a strong local market.

MIA seems less likely, not so much because of AA, but because of facility limitations and lack of an existing presence. Then again, stranger things have happened in this industry.

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User currently offlineDeltasju777 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15551 times:

How far south can one of the ex TWA 757s make it into South America from FLL or even MCO. It would be ironic if they use the birds that they buy from AA competing directly against them from south florida to latin america.

User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15519 times:

Delta would be in one heck of a battle at FLL with Spirit. And I think the Customs facilities are pretty maxed out. But I'm still pulling for FLL and there is plenty of room for exapnsion at the D concourse in FLL right now.

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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15484 times:

If it is going to be a "shocker"....

San Jose.

That's about as shocking as I get....

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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
It is going to really, really shock people if it happens.

If it doesn't happen, will you tell us what the plan was in a few months?  Wink

I want PDX to reopen, but it will never happen, IMO. The west coast focus will be on LAX. Shame... PDX is a great airport to connect through.

My guess would be MCO as the gateway to Latin/South America.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15296 times:

hint: the possibilities at this gateway are enormous; the expenditure minimal.

less than 3 days until it is known.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 24):
hint: the possibilities at this gateway are enormous; the expenditure minimal.


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25 Post contains images MSYtristar : Fred, do you think we'll see the route which DL was planning on starting pre 9/11 with the 763ER? You know, the one that originated in DFW and stopped
26 Aaway : Facilities expenditures or competitive expenditures?
27 Baw716 : Well, let me throw my murky crystal ball into this discussion. My educated guess is the new "gateway" will be BOS. As DL plans to use the 757 transatl
28 Deltasju777 : BAKERSFIELD !
29 Post contains images UnitedTristar : OK so here is my guesses Obviously number one would be BOS for all the reasons mentioned above. Number two, OAK. If they were trying to get a foothold
30 RL757PVD : I did hear a rumor back in the summertime about London routes from MCO and it was tied to something about a MCO f/a base. Another interesting thing, i
31 Evan767 : Well let's see here.... LAX is already planned for Asia so that rules out another west coast international gateway. Europe is already covered, so I do
32 Alitalia744 : the news is on the horizon but the answers have already arrived.
33 MAH4546 : The answer is on Google News. Play around with some search terms at .Two articles give it away, one in a very subtle manner and the other one blatantl
34 Aaway : I'd tend to agree with Baw716 in his assessment for BOS. Allows DL to shore up its transatlantic position in the NE; frees JFK seats for NYC's O/D an
35 PVD757 : well, word in here says "really shock(ing)", so to me, BOS isn't shocking at all since it's a focus city. BUT, it also meets the terms of enormous pos
36 FCYTravis : Fanciful at best. OAK has exactly one international-capable gate. There's zero domestic gatespace available either, until/unless WN abandons their T1
37 BAW716 : Aaway, you'll get no argument from me on any of the points you raised. However, if JFK and BOS go down, ATL stiil can get the job done for those pass
38 MAH4546 : The fact that many people have already mentioned it, combined with the fact tnat of the forums most knowledgeable Delta experts/insiders has mentioned
39 Njdevilsin03 : Well I've guess we hav eit narrowed down to pretty much what EVAN767 said....It's either MCO, BOS, FLL, MIA, TPA OR JAX.
40 Post contains links Jbmitt : JAX? http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/jac...lle/stories/2007/03/05/daily9.html HKG? http://www.amtonline.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=358
41 Post contains links FATFlyer : This article here I assume http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/070301/story5.shtml
42 Jbmitt : How soon are the newly ordered CRJ-900's onsite? A first class cabin, and a combined push from South Florida with all of Latin America, Mexico, Carrib
43 Njdevilsin03 : I don't see how Miami would be a good fit? Even though there is a new international terminal...Wouldn't AA put up one hell of a fight?
44 Xkorpyoh : was about to post the same!. so I guess it is MIAMi! : 1) Shocking 2) many possibilities 3) Many flyers in So.Fla and latin america are fed up with A
45 Deltasju777 : If it is Miami will they move thier domestic focus city from FLL to MIA, to help fill the intl flights.
46 Evan767 : So now that we all know it is MIA, can it just be confirmed by one of the "worthy three?"
47 Evan767 : OK, time to speculate: Routes (INTL)- MIA-MEX MIA-CUN MIA-SJO MIA-SDQ MIA-SJU MIA-STT MIA-MBJ MIA-AUA MIA-BOG MIA-CCS Mostly with a mix of 738's and 7
48 MSYtristar : Wow. Miami. How very un-interesting.
49 PExDCA : Despite years and years and years of trying, AA fed DL their lunch @ DFW, so I'm sure they would be equally formidable @ MIA. Plus, in addition to AA
50 Xkorpyoh : The good thing is DL is more creative taking risk on new routes that AA wouldn't. AA is too conservative and misses too many opportunities. Like, for
51 Jbmitt : I don't even think that they will use the 738's, unless the AA 757's are replacing them 1 for 1 on transcons, mostly 73G's as they get them. We could
52 RL757PVD : My reliable source says MIA.....
53 N174UA : Very well. While the MD-11 wasn't the best in terms of economics, the failure of DL in PDX wasn't all DL's fault. The Port shot themselves in the foo
54 Post contains images Aaway : Mark, I was going to suggest that your participation in this thread would suggest MIA was in the mix . WT's and AZ744's ties to DL would probably pre
55 Post contains images RDUDDJI : It appears the cat is out of the bag on this one, but I would've liked to have seen it be BOS. They built that "new" terminal, and now I know the airp
56 COA735 : [quote=Evan767,reply=48]OK, time to speculate: Routes (INTL)- MIA-MEX MIA-CUN MIA-SJO MIA-SDQ MIA-SJU MIA-STT MIA-MBJ MIA-AUA MIA-BOG MIA-CCS AA would
57 Evan767 : LMAO. >>>>1000 posts
58 Steeler83 : Just out of curiosity, how big is the DL focus city in BOS?
59 BHMNONREV : I would like to think of AA more as prudent than conservative. If not for the lack of airframes I don't think there is any question that you would se
60 Indy : Was the term shocking sarcasm?
61 ERJ170 : Okay okay.. excuse me for coming into this very late.. I was out drinking... So is the answer Boston-Logan? Is that really a new international gateway
62 PlanesNTrains : Clue: Miami. -Dave
63 Incitatus : Delta still has too many airplanes. There is no shortage of aircraft for them. Delta will be the new tenant at Miami's newly built Councourse J.
64 ERJ170 : Wow.. what a dumb idea.. and that's all I got to say about that..
65 Post contains images Indy : How is Delta at MIA shocking? I mean everyone serves Miami. MLB as a gateway would be shocking
66 PlanesNTrains : What's interesting to me, though, is how these carriers get these nice new terminals with nice new gates - then decide to take their marbles elsewher
67 ERJ170 : Well, from what I heard/read/something like that.. one of the reasons Delta is going to be the first to move to the new Terminal at RDU is because of
68 Post contains images AA 777 : Guess Delta didnt like AA starting those LGA-ATL/CVG flights
69 Vc10fan : CLT, in competion with US on the PHL route!
70 FATFlyer : Although this has probably been in the works for a while it just seems like karma after AA announced their New York expansion. See reply #42 for a new
71 Post contains images FATFlyer : Great minds, eh.
72 Incitatus : Delta has a long and recent history of unprofitable initiatives that don't sustain over time: PDX, Boston, DFW, Delta Express, Song and others. The r
73 HVNandrew : Any idea what domestic routes would feed the new gateway? My guess is that DL will add some intra-Florida routes to MIA from MCO, TPA, JAX, SRQ, etc.
74 Post contains images MSYtristar : The only reason I think this is interesting is because of the history between DL and PA. It's interesting to see DL building up PA's old MIA base...th
75 Delta787 : As if Delta's the only one since thats how you make it sound. I could go legacy by legacy airline and point out initiatives that didnt do so well.
76 ConcordeBoy : ....that was a long time, and a defunct-hub, ago
77 Rookinla : Well best of luck to you DL...I'm not sure that MIA is the best option at this point...but I guess we'll see. Obviously AA will not take this sitting
78 MAH4546 : AA will respond, but not in that manner. They don't have the aircraft to respond without taking capacity from other markets. Status quo, most likely.
79 DeltaRules : MIA-DAB perhaps? Just throwing it out there. DeltaRules
80 FreequentFlier : Ok, what is the basis for this? I'm not necessarily ready to believe this rumor. I have a pretty good amount of "inside information" if you will, and
81 FATFlyer : How about this " target=_blank>http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/0...shtml
82 Post contains images PExDCA : Was it ever confirmed that we are talking about South America? Could DL be planning to announce some MIA-Europe service???
83 MAH4546 : I have heard it from way too many sources to take this lightly. The only thing that makes me question is that yesterday I was hearing "it hasn't been
84 Skibum9 : Could we possibly see AA respond by attacking one of DL's hubs? CVG would be a likely candidate, not to set up a hub but to hurt DL in the pocket by
85 Post contains images LawnDart : Shhh...I snuck out an advance copy of the PR Announcement...just call me Libby the Leaker: Delta Air Lines Announces Daily Nonstop Service Between Mi
86 RwSEA : Now that it seems out in the open, I'll offer my opinions: 1) DL is going to use MIA to fly to markets that can't effectively be served from ATL. Perf
87 SHUPirate1 : Bear in mind that, for the time being, EVERY SINGLE GATE AT MIA IS COMMON USE... (I say "for the time being" because when the new "North Terminal" op
88 MAH4546 : That is one the main motives behind this rumoured expansion. That's probably the other one. I don't think we will see Delta fly Europe-Miami. As you
89 FreequentFlier : I suppose this makes sense in theory, but i just don't see it working for DL in the long run. Yields in south Florida are generally fairly poor (at le
90 MAH4546 : Not to MIA. The average Miami-Los Angeles fare, for example, is higher than Washington-Los Angeles or Boston-Los Angeles, and that is just one exampl
91 BAW716 : I totally agree. UA went up against AA when I was at UA (in fact, I interviewed for a position as Market Champion for Latin America...came close but
92 MAH4546 : No, it isn't. In fact, if Delta decides to fly international from MIA, I doubt they will go more south than Bogota. How? For the nth time, American A
93 Alitalia744 : everyone - reality is no one knows for sure. announcements will come in the near future, but they could change at a moments notice. comments on "big b
94 MAH4546 : Yup. Few people realize that while much effort and consideration goes into planning new routes, the time between when they are given the green light
95 Panamair : DL didn't take over PA's MIA operations back in '91 (UA got them instead). Had they been ballsier back then, they could have lumped MIA into the enti
96 Post contains images DFW13L : Nope, it's not MIA. They are going to send the 73Gs to FRA and take on LH. FRA will be the renewed focus city. Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
97 MSYtristar : Well I worded that incorrectly. I remember the UA/PA agreement at the end. I even remember seeing UA flights to MIA listed in the PA timetables. It s
98 Post contains images Leskova : Now that would be something I'd call shocking... and brilliant...
99 SeeTheWorld : It's shocking because it's idiotic, and they are going to get their clocks cleaned by AA.
100 SeeTheWorld : AA has plenty of aircraft to respond to DL at MIA if they assess it's more important to flood the MIA market with capacity for a year, even though it
101 SeeTheWorld : This isn't one measy route; this is a huge competitive, risky move into a fortress hub of a major competitor. If this is indeed true, it's been in th
102 2travel2know : I think SLC-LIR/SJO weekend flight may happen before or at the same time SLC-CDG/LGW. Puerto Rico has other well underused big airports. Which slots
103 MSYtristar : I think DL offers a generally better product than AA in terms of coach service. If DL can tap into their large FF base in South Florida and make them
104 Incitatus : Hmmm... April 01 is still a couple of three weeks away. It ain't so easy to set up service between Miami and Sao Paulo / Buenos Aires. In the best Ib
105 Flyorski : Would DL use the new 737-700s for the MIA hub?
106 Incitatus : Not exactly. Chance of closing Atlanta is 0.00001%. Just search the press releases from Miami Airport. It is there for you to see it. It says Delta A
107 WorldTraveler : ok.... so y'all were about 21 miles south of the actual location.... I enjoyed the press release. oh, and the 738 does have the legs to fly as far sou
108 AAL0616 : MIA is a gold mine for AAL. There will be more of a reaction than you think if DAL jumps in tomorrow with narrow body flying from MIA to Caribbean and
109 AAL0616 : Also: FLL does not work as well if Sky Team wants connecting possibilities for their partners because AFR, AZA and possibly KLM do and would serve MIA
110 NASCARAirforce : I would love to see DL bring back International operations at MCO - well maybe because I would love to see the 777 return. There is a whole wing at MC
111 Zone1 : This is probably a good use for the TW 757s. I honestly thought they were going to use them in BOS for the summer and then bring them down to JFK for
112 EXAAUADL : Delta is taking too big a risk here for a carrir in BK.
113 AASTEW : Ah excuse me Delta go ask the boyz in Arizona, what happened to their so called FLL Caribbean, Central America fix. It didn't work! DL in S. Florida t
114 Post contains images LawnDart : Press Release Source: Delta Air Lines, Inc. Delta's Expansion in Latin America Continues With New Daily Nonstop Service From Fort Lauderdale to Santo
115 Post contains images FoxBravo : Very interesting...is this the beginning? See my reply #18 above (and below).
116 MAH4546 : That's why rumours are just that, rumours. This is a majors strike against the rumour. However, what is interesting to note is that while Delta's ATL
117 LawnDart : Okay, I'll buy that...and probably also a message to Spirit's other ATL services...and it seems to me that if DL really wants to push in to Latin Ame
118 PExDCA : If nothing else, that would be interesting to watch!
119 FoxBravo : I thought the same thing at first, but as a practical matter I wonder how many people flying in on AF, for example, would really connect on DL to Lat
120 Stirling :
121 MAH4546 : Transiting in the US isn't as big an issue for people from Europe, just for people from Latin America, who need a Visa. Europeans do not need Visas.
122 WesternA318 : PDX was very successful all the way up until Mullin & Co. decided to move the MD-11's to LAX (which they had to really push the range on), and the co
123 Jetlanta : DL couldn't care less about connecting passengers in MIA or FLL. It has ATL for connections. South Florida service is intended to fill a gap in the th
124 Rookinla : Agreed...But doesn't FLL still suffer from major delays and lack of slots that could stop a major expansion in its tracks? Fair enough Mark. I unders
125 Rookinla : Yes it does have ATL for connections...and many of them. But just because DL starts a flight from ATL does not guarantee its success. DL has had prob
126 ArcrftLvr : I bet its going to be PHX....Just kidding and a bit of wishful thinking....
127 MAH4546 : I think Delta would be smart to run some 1-2x weekly flights from Orlando to cities like Caracas and Bogota, the same way they are running limited fr
128 2travel2know : This would also mean both TPA and PBI are out of the race... By the way, isn't FLL building an extra terminal?
129 MAH4546 : Where they ever in it? There is no significant market for Tampa and West Palm Beach to Latin America. Just because an airport is in Florida doesn't m
130 LawnDart : Back in the early '90s (?) Delta did, in fact, announce service from MCO (where they had a true hub at the time) to places in Central America...the a
131 Rookinla : TPA has lots of space but I don't see them being a real player for some time as far as Int'l service goes. Bahamasair couldn't even make a success ou
132 MAH4546 : Yes, in 1992. I've been hearing the flight won't last past summer. The exception being Copa. They do very well in Orlando. Though they also offer gre
133 Ord : The Latin American News Digest reported yesterday that Delta plans to start new flights to Colombia. The flights would go to Medellin, Cali, Barranqui
134 MAH4546 : I would not be surprsied to see Delta at Cali or Medellin. I would be shocked to see them at Barranquilla and Cartagena. In fact, the US-Colombia air
135 Post contains images Rookinla : Yep they did have several routes announced and they did not get off the ground. SJO, GUA, PTY, CCS and BOG were announced and never started. IIRC, I
136 FoxBravo : True, but I still don't think that connecting traffic from Europe would be a big part of the equation if DL were to build a Latin American gateway in
137 MAH4546 : I realize that, but you have to take into account the sizes of the airports. EWR might be landlocked, but it is landlocked on a significantly larger
138 COEI2007 : Its BOS, once the 757's arrive. BOS-DUB/SNN will be one of the first routes.
139 WorldTraveler : yes it would. DL doesn't need FLL to be a huge Latin American hub. It is a great place to pick off the top markets for local S. Florida traffic. They
140 Dutchjet : Delta just announced FLL-Santo Domingo service......is this the first step?
141 Rookinla : You will see BOS/SNN-DUB and you will also see SLC-KOA return using the new 757s. But I don't think that BOS is the subject of this rumor...most like
142 COEI2007 : I would be shocked if they announced MIA. I could not see the point in trying to battle AA, when they can quite easily serve a lot of Carribean/South
143 Rookinla : Several people in this thread suggested the same thing you are suggesting. But if you haven't done so, you should read the entire thread. There are a
144 ConcordeBoy : Tried and failed by both DL and DL partners in the past. In theory yes; in practical application, no. The likes of MIA-EZE with a 752 would be unreas
145 FoxBravo : Good question--I don't have the answer, but I'd sure like to know (see my replies 18 and 115 on this thread)!
146 Vega : Restricted? It would have to essentially fly almost Empty, even with winglets. MIA-EZE is out of range for a reasonably loaded (profit producing) 757
147 MAH4546 : Yup. The farthest you can reasonable take a 757-200, that is equipped with winglets, is Asuncion, which American Airlines hopes to do this winter (un
148 Lono : Like DFW.... Like DFW I was at DFW for DL and it was not pretty...... it will happen again.... AA will once again give DL an airline lesson.... DL bu
149 2travel2know : Isn't CTG subject to the slots restrictions for U.S. Airlines? Aeropostal did even fly to SFB. Sounds like charters in disguise, something like CO do
150 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Restricted? It would have to essentially fly almost Empty, ...hence the "unreasonably", as initially quoted
151 2travel2know : Looking back, why DL wasn't interested in AUS or SAT focus city instead of DFW then? They saw the huge DFW airport and thought there was lots room fo
152 WesternA318 : It could maybe be becasue DL has had a long history with the Dallas area??
153 MAH4546 : American Airlines already has a focus city in Austin, and just ask United Express' carrier TransState how wonderful a focus city SAT makes. Besides,
154 WorldTraveler : Flying time from S. Florida to EZE is less than TXLEWR which is one, if not the longest 757 routes by US carriers. And DL's 757s are Pratt powered whi
155 MAH4546 : Flying time. EWR-TXL: 3980 mi FLL-EZE: 4421mi[Edited 2007-03-08 23:59:23]
156 Incitatus : This is rather smaller news than it seemed to be at first. Delta is announcing a single flight. If it flops, the entire South Florida expansion will g
157 Post contains images FoxBravo : The mileage difference is not entirely relevant here--comparing a transatlantic route with a north-south route is a bit like apples and oranges. The
158 LawnDart : Well, thank God you examined the financials and came up with that assessment...quick! Get Gerald on the phone and try to talk him out of it! If DL tr
159 ConcordeBoy : ...until you look at MX's attempt with a 752 at EZE, which BTW, was a shorter routing/operation.
160 WorldTraveler : The point of DL's pulldown at DFW was because they didn't need 3 hubs in a line between ATL and SLC. There was no reason to make AUS or SAT a hubette
161 Post contains images BigGSFO : Slow down there. I know you like to get rambunctious about DL , but the specualtion is about a new gateway, not hub. They could launch MIA-NAS and ye
162 FoxBravo : I am not familiar with the details of that service, but if it involved a MEX-EZE routing, then the distance is actually farther than FLL-EZE by 160 m
163 WorldTraveler : READ THE PRESS RELEASE.. there is nothing about MIA in DL's announcement. It's FLL. I specifically said DL has no need to build FLL into a hub because
164 Njdevilsin03 : Delta has 9 gates in its concourse at FLL one of them is used by Midwest for I believe 3 or 4 flights a day...Other than that Delta I believe is the o
165 DAL767400ER : Delta might have the number of gates, but at FLL they have the same problem as they have at BOS: They don't have any FIS in their terminal, which mea
166 COEI2007 : We're gonna see more FLL-Carribean/South America, and not MIA. DL would have to be crazy to go after AA in MIA. DL has obviously seen NK, and how stro
167 SeeTheWorld : I'm sorry, but that is utter BS. DFW was pulled down because DL was losing buckets of money. Without SLC, would they have given up so easily? Maybe n
168 Aaway : NK may be the most efficient provider of South Florida - Carib. / Central America services. The thing that makes me a bit fearful for NK is the fact
169 2travel2know : When's rush hour @ FLL F.I.S., between 1730 and 1900h? Any DL GRU/EZE-FLL arrival probably may be between 0500 and 0600h, others between 0900 and 100
170 Post contains images Incitatus : Ah, I forgot - airlines and especially Delta never make bad moves... hmmm..., where is that money pit called Song again?
171 ConcordeBoy : CUN-EZE ...folded back into the airline's primary brand, keeping most of its original amenities.
172 MSYtristar : We don't have that problem in New Orleans...of course, we don't have many intercontinental flights, either. International arrivals park at C1, C5, an
173 SESGDL : DL has a huge following in South Florida, second only to AA. If DL advertised the service well, they should have no problem getting passengers on the
174 Stirling : Well, Dallas had a history with Delta and vice versa that predated DFW Airport by about 50 years. If I am not mistaken, the first real route Delta ha
175 MAH4546 : If it was "quite a few", Delta wouldn't be bother with FLL-SDQ (which is just the start). This is exactly why Delta is doing this. They have little p
176 Papatango : What happened it's friday and no announcement maybe next week or later.
177 MAH4546 : It happened Thursday. Ft. Lauderdale will be a new international gateway for Delta and although the announcement was just Santo Domingo, it is very l
178 N766UA : I hope it's BOS. Love that airport. Every time I'm there I can't help thinking about what a great jumping off point it would be for DL to Europe. JFK
179 Jetlanta : SDQ has U.S. Customs Pre-Clearance. It's an obvious candidate to be one of the first markets. Until they get a handle on how they will handle INS in
180 MAH4546 : No it doesn't. The only airports in the Caribbean with pre-clearance are AUA, FPO, and NAS. It's not. It is Ft. Lauderdale. Not Boston, not Miami. It
181 RwSEA : Seems like the rumors of MIA didn't pan out then. I think DL would have done better at MIA, personally, despite the big AA presence there. There's mo
182 Deltasju777 : How many daily flights does DL have out of FLL, and do they have room for expansion?
183 MAH4546 : Agreed, it is too bad. Approximately ~40 to 50. They have plenty of expansion room. They have a whole entire terminal to themselves. The only other a
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