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Ryanair - Launch Routes To Slovenia  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Ryanair have today announced new routes to Slovenia...

In true Ryanair style it is not to city many people putside of Slovenia will have heard of - Maribor. It doesn't even appear the Slovenian national airline Adria Airways flies from there!

That city is Maribor when I looked on a map does seem very well located, for residents from other countries to take advantage of the cheap airlines flights. It appears to be very close to the Austrian, Hungarian and Croatian boarders.

I wonder if this route will have any impact on the tiny national carrier - Adria Airways, as they already have competition on the London to Ljubljana route with Wizz Air and easyJet.

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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
That city is Maribor when I looked on a map does seem very well located

It indeed is very well located and thanks to Slovenia's small size and excellent road infrastructure, it will allow people from all over the country, including Hungary and Croatia, to catch Ryanair flights. Also adds competition to Wizzair and easyJet flights from LJU.

Very happy to hear about MBX, it is sadly very underutilized.



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

Great news for eastern Slovenia. Maribor is a lovely city, very peaceful and friendly. It is also quite handy for reaching northern Croatia. I think that Adria will be very angry with this, because it really really increases competition in Slovenia. It is only an hour and bit between Maribor and Ljubljana, so this makes a very practical gateway for finding the cheapest prices to this lovely contry. Always great to see FR entering a new market, its only a matter of time before they enter other countries in the region...

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
In true Ryanair style it is not to city many people putside of Slovenia will have heard of

I fail to understand why people outside both Slovenia and the neighbouring countries need to have heard of Maribor: virtually the only people who will use it will be people from Slovenia and its neighbouring countries (or have migrated and want to return, etc). Just like the vast majority of customers on its Polish routes, such as to Poznan and Bydgoszcz, will be Polish or of Polish origin.

A lot of people seem to forget that what might seem an odd route to some will be a godsend to others. Indeed, I am sure that the huge amounts of Poles that migrate to the UK and Ireland are very thankful that they don't have to pay a fortune and fly via Warsaw to return home to their family house in Rzeszow, Gdasnk or wherever. And that those who originate in Lithuania's second-largest city, Kaunas - population 362,000 - are delighted they don't have to travel via Vilnius and then go by coach or car. And that those who originate in Zaragoza - Spain's 6th-largest city with a population of 661,000 - are delighted they don't have to travel via Barcelona or Madrid or wherever to return home. Also, don't forget that more people fly Ryanair to visit friends and family than for tourism.

Great news - and yet another brand-new market created.



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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Even a new website, although I can't really call it an improvement.
The same old school tricks are used trying to lure you in priority boarding when not checking in bags.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 2):
Always great to see FR entering a new market, its only a matter of time before they enter other countries in the region...

Certainly nice when a brand-new market is created.

Well, Ryanair now, having announced Slovenia, fly to 7 countries in the region: Poland; Lithuania; Lativa; Czech Republic; Croatia; Hungary; and Slovenia. In total, 16 destinations are served in the region, of which 9 are in Poland.

And before someone says 'But who wants to fly to Brno? I've never heard of it!' remember that Brno is the Czech Republic's second-largest city with a population of 367,000. Just like Kaunas is Lithuania's second-largest city with a population of 362,000. Just like Wroclaw has a population of 636,000. And on.

Don't think 'But why would I want to go to those places?' That isn't what it is about. It is about creating new options primarily for people of those countries (exceptions include Balaton and Pula, which are good inbound tourist areas), explainable by my girlfriend and I being the only English-speaking people we heard on our Gdansk-Stansted flight.

Long life the creation of brand-new markets.

[Edited 2007-03-08 14:19:00]


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Certainly nice when a brand-new market is created.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Brno is the Czech Republic's second-largest city with a population of 367,000.

And Belgrade with over 2 million people should then definitely be of interest - I  pray  for the day when BEG flights are introduced. Not because I love FR, but because I'm fed up with the enormous fares between the two capitals! We need low-cost flights in BEG!



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

I think that this new route will be very popular with Slovenes taking weekend brakes in London, certainly its not a migration line. Something like 1,000 Slovenes moved to UK after EU expansion. Its a very wealthy country.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
what might seem an odd route to some will be a godsend to others

I agree completly. These "smaller" cities (Maribor's population is around 145,000) are actually very interesting. Ryanair has opend up a whole new world of tourism and movmement. I've been to Maribor several times, and its a lovely place with great places to visit around (Putj or Logarska valley). Ryanair enables Brits (and others) to expand their holiday horizons and should be commended. The issues with luggage is another matter, personally i don'f fly with Ryanair so oftern anymore because of this, but even so people do and will take advantage of their very useful routes.
I will expect many Zagrebers to use this route too, if they find a good deal, Maribor is an hour away by car.


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
16 destinations are served in the region

By the region i mean the Balkans (of which Slovenia is not of course part of  Wink ) Yes, Belgrade desperatly needs FR. I live in Belgrade at the moment, and have to travel to Zagreb to take Wizzair to London if i don't want to pay minium of 150pounds for a BG-London flight (usually on Alitalia which is cheapest on that route). FR will have a great time linking Bosnia and Germany, Belgrade and Bratislave/Vienna, Frankfurt, loads of places that have Serbs or others living aborad. FR will enter the Balkans when the visa issue is solved. At the moment there its a bit of a headache in this region, what with government protection. However Bosnia don't have much to protect, they should encourage companies like FR because Bosnia is extremly poorly connected.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

So now that Maribor will get a scheduled operator again (last being Slovenian/Styrian Spirit), Portoroz is left as the only other international airport (very small one) in the country with no scheduled traffic.

I guess the size of its runway remains the biggest handicap. A real shame, Slovenian coast is very nice!



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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
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Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 7):
I will expect many Zagrebers to use this route too, if they find a good deal, Maribor is an hour away by car.

it is not really attractive to people from Zagreb,

first Wizzair has direct flights to Zagreb, and second and that is a bit strange - Graz is lot better connected to Zagreb than Maribor with buses (irony is that buses go through Maribor) so it is a lot more accessible to people witohut car or unwilling to pay long term parking



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
I guess the size of its runway remains the biggest hand

Potoroz is really a sports airport isn't it? i think that it is in theroy international..however Trieste airport is basically in viewing distance of Slovene coast, also with the sparkling motorways in SLO, its not really needed.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
I fail to understand why people outside both Slovenia and the neighbouring countries need to have heard of Maribor: virtually the only people who will use it will be people from Slovenia and its neighbouring countries (or have migrated and want to return, etc).

I may have been a little fickle to say Maribor is an unknown city no-one would have heard of that Ryanair are flying to. (But it is definately a lessor known European city!)

I do however highly disagree that it will only be immigrants on the flights from Slovenia using the service... The number of "economic immigrants" coming to countries like the UK to work is tiny in percentage terms compared to other east European countries. Slovenia is a very affluent little country and is the richest nation of the new EU members and are the first of these
countries to meet the EU's stringent guidelines to swap their currency the Tollar to the Euro in January 2007.

I think a high number of the passengers on the flights will be tourists, this countries scenery is absolutey beautiful, and hosts every winter a number of tourists who come to Slovenia skiing.
I have been to Slovenia three times in the last two years and been to destinations like Kranjska Gora and Lake Bled - no where in Europe can beat it!
(I do have to be honest though, I have never head of Maribor!)  duck 

Portorož on the Slovenian coast is another destination Ryanair should consider!





User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 12):

Portorož on the Slovenian coast is another destination Ryanair should consider!

Highly unlikely with a 1200 meter runway! Their 738 would end up in the middle of the Piran Bay ! Big grin



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 12):
I have been to Slovenia three times in the last two years and been to destinations like Kranjska Gora and Lake Bled - no where in Europe can beat it!
(I do have to be honest though, I have never head of Maribor!)

You've been to Slovenia three times and never heard of Maribor ??? Where you not paying much attention - its the second city in the country man !


A very good move from Ryanair. I'm certain at nice cheap prices it will get plenty of traffic from people living in Graz and the surrounding areas of Austria and Western Hungarian cities like Zalaegerszeg, Szombathely, etc that would find the trek to Vienna or Budapest unattractive....



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 11):
rieste airport is basically in viewing distance of Slovene coast, also with the sparkling motorways in SLO, its not really needed.

I disagree. Trieste is just slightly more convenient from the Slovenian Istria than Ljubljana. Don't forget that Trieste Airport is some 70 kilometers away by car from Portoroz and there is a border crossing as well! LJU is some 95 kilometers away, so POW could build its own niche market with operators using SAAB 340, ATR 42, Jestreams and Dorniers.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
Just like the vast majority of customers on its Polish routes, such as to Poznan and Bydgoszcz, will be Polish or of Polish origin.

Poznan is a lovely place and certainly worth a visit. Hopefully the percentage of tourists on board will increase.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 16):
Poznan is a lovely place and certainly worth a visit. Hopefully the percentage of tourists on board will increase.

Yes, I know it is, just like Gdansk, Krakow and Warsaw are. But I reckon well over 90% of all customers flying to and from Poznan will be Polish or of Polish origin. In comparison, Krakow will, of course, generate far more tourists, but it too will also receive a lot of Poles.

I might be going to Wroclaw - with its lovely big and beautiful square - in July. (Went to Krakow, Zakopane, Warsaw, Gdansk, etc, last year.)



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
I'm certain at nice cheap prices it will get plenty of traffic from people living in Graz

Forgetting, of course, that Ryanair already fly Stansted-Graz daily. (Graz is Austria's second-largest city and has a pop. agglomeration of about 320,000.) Of course, Maribor could act as another option if the fares on Graz-Stansted are too high for someone on the date they want to travel.

[Edited 2007-03-08 15:39:10]


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):
Forgetting, of course, that Ryanair already fly Stansted-Graz daily. (Graz is Austria's second-largest city and has a pop. agglomeration of about 320,000.) Of course, Maribor could act as another option if the fares on Graz-Stansted are too high for someone on the date they want to travel.

Forgetting indeed. Thank you for reminding me of that one. As indeed they do to Balaton in western Hungary too.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19186 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4342 times:

As aforementioned, Ryanair presently flies to 9 Polish airports.

It seems somewhat mysterious why Ryanair does not fly to the Upper Silesian Industry Area of Poland (U.S.I.A.): it has by far the greatest population of all areas, at about 3,487m (of which 0.7m is from the Rybnicki Okrêg Wêglowy area). In comparison, the Warsaw/Masovia area has a population of about 2,679m.

The U.S.I.A. is centred on Katowice. The city itself has a population of about 328,000.

Wizz Air is the primary airline serving Katowice; indeed, on particular days Wizz has 4 320-operated flights from Katowice to London (both Luton and Stansted combined).

I wonder whether Ryanair will enter the fray.

I don’t think it’s the reason why it doesn’t serve Katowice, but Krakow is about 1.5 hours away by train one way and Wroclaw about 2.5 hours the other.

Totally unrelated, but I just secured a £4 all-in return deal on Eurolines (coach) from London to Presov (eastern Slovakia). It's for July. I might not use it after all, but it's a dazzlingly cheap deal.

[Edited 2007-03-08 22:43:29]


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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):

You've been to Slovenia three times and never heard of Maribor ???

I've been to Slovenia once and absolutely loved it...even I'd heard of Maribor. Bled is the most fascinating place in the country IMO, but if you go there fly into LJU. Very beautiful...I sometimes regret breaking up with that beautiful Slovene girl.  Sad


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Ryanair is getting closer and closer to Belgrade. Can I hope or at least dream that they will fly here soon, too?

Quoting Adriaticflight (Reply 11):
Potoroz is really a sports airport isn't it? i think that it is in theroy international..however Trieste airport is basically in viewing distance of Slovene coast, also with the sparkling motorways in SLO, its not really needed.

Well, Portotoz is a small airport but it was used both by Adria and JAT in the past. Adria flew with their DHC-7s and JAT with ATR-42s. You're right about Trieste, too. It is very, very close to Slovenia.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

I wonder if this route will have any impact on the tiny national carrier - Adria Airways, as they already have competition on the London to Ljubljana route with Wizz Air and easyJet.

Looks like Wizz Air have stopped their LTN-LJU service, no bookings are being taken and is missing from the schedule... CRL-LJU remains to operate.

They operated it for nearly a whole year before ditching the route so seems a little wierd to ditch the route now when summer comes and the routes likely to get busier. This is there first route in about two years they have ditched from LTN. Maybe this is why Ryanair have only launched the route now, as their may only be a limited market for low-cost carriers in Slovenia.


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