AirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2745 posts, RR: 45 Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14473 times:
The 2006 Busiest Airport in the world numbers are out.
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GENEVA (AP) — Atlanta's Hartsfield International held its ranking as the world's busiest passenger airport in 2006, followed by Chicago's O'Hare and London's Heathrow, according to preliminary figures released this week.
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Filling out the top 10 were Tokyo's Haneda Airport, with 65.2 million; Los Angeles International Airport, 61 million; Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, 60 million; Paris Charles de Gaulle, 56.8 million; Frankfurt Airport, 52.8 million; Beijing Capital International Airport, 48.5 million; and Denver International Airport, 47.3 million.
Denver passed Las Vegas to regain the number 5 (domestic) and 10 (international) positions despite the airport being shut down repeatedly in December due to several large snow storms. Also total capacity at American airports dropped last year due to restructures at NW at DL. (Yes, less capacity is a important reason why carriers are making money).
CO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 387 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14051 times:
WOW!!! What is going on with these airports? Both had a 7.4% increase in passengers. Did CO really add more flights or is another airline responsible for this?
If it is because of CO, it looks like their hubs are growing compared to the other Legacy carriers.
[Edited 2007-03-09 01:42:34]
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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 5569 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13991 times:
Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 1): It´s incredible how CDG overtook FRA , just because of some people living near the airport , not allowing a new runway , it makes me so angry
Are you sure that is the reason? After all with just one runway:
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25566 posts, RR: 87 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13909 times:
Quoting AirFrnt (Thread starter): (Yes, less capacity is a important reason why carriers are making money).
Oh really? The legacies cut 20% across the board after 9/11 and look what happened then.
Quoting VV701 (Reply 4): Are you sure that is the reason? After all with just one runway:
The vast majority of LGW's traffic is widebody and large capacity narrowbody. There are exceptions, but LGW's operational efficiency benefits massively from that.
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HUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13572 times:
Heathrow's growth is significantly constrained by the runway capacity.
Although when T5 opens LHR COULD handle 90m pax, I sincerly doubt that is possible without the 3rd runway, even if mixed mode operations come into force.
However, I do think T5 will boost passenger numbers at LHR, but not enough to beat ORD and ATL me thinks.
I hope they build runway 3 soon, because LHR is losing out to competition from Europe, as seen from CDG and AMS's steady growth, and Heathrow's poor growth.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1082 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13473 times:
Quoting HUYguy (Reply 7): Although when T5 opens LHR COULD handle 90m pax, I sincerly doubt that is possible without the 3rd runway, even if mixed mode operations come into force.
I don't understand how BAA came to the figure of 90m. Currently it handles 67m. If T5 will handle 30m, surely this would mean Heathrow COULD handle 97m per year?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10567 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13402 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 6): So once Terminal 5 opens at Heathrow, will it overtake Chicago and Atlanta? Isn't it supposed to reach around 90m passengers p.a.? But when by though?
Not until they get more runways. That is why US airports like ATL, ORD, LAX & DFW lead everyone.
Airways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 297 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13364 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10): Not until they get more runways. That is why US airports like ATL, ORD, LAX & DFW lead everyone
And, it's a function of the large amount of connecting traffic over the hub.
Anyone know what % of traffic at the top airports is transfer / connecting traffic? I would imagine at ORD and ATL it's higher as a percentage than, say, at LAX...?
Shows that LHR needs T-5, without it they'd be bound to lose #3 to a(n almost) domestic-only airport. Now, wheter LHR will pass ATL and ORD remains to be seen. Obviously, it will take a few years before LHR could reach the 90-million mark, and by that point in time ATL will have a new international terminal, and perhaps also the South Terminal, which combined should allow for some 10-15 million more pax. Of course, that's looking many years into the future, and we all know that especially in aviation things can change rather abruptly.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3052 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13290 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 9): I don't understand how BAA came to the figure of 90m. Currently it handles 67m. If T5 will handle 30m, surely this would mean Heathrow COULD handle 97m per year?
Maybe that will be the case eventually - but as soon as T5 is up and running they want to demolish T2 and start again there so we're looking at 2015 before all of the building work is done.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1082 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13252 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 15): so we're looking at 2015 before all of the building work is done.
2011-12 actually. They want to have Heathrow East done in time for the London 2012 Olympics. The majority of the infrastructure is there because of the current T1 and T2. It is literally the terminal building which needs to be replaced.
AirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2745 posts, RR: 45 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13149 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 6):
So once Terminal 5 opens at Heathrow, will it overtake Chicago and Atlanta? Isn't it supposed to reach around 90m passengers p.a.? But when by though?
I think that the advent of a US-EU Opensky agreement will seriously restrict the future growth of LHR, as secondary markets become much easier to access.
HUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13078 times:
Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 17): I think that the advent of a US-EU Opensky agreement will seriously restrict the future growth of LHR, as secondary markets become much easier to access.
I would have thought it might have the opposite impact in the fact that BA and VS in particular have large long-haul operations to the US from LGW, and I'd put my money on them moving them across to LHR (assuming Bermuda II is thrown out in an open skies deal).
Maybe it wouldn't be a sudden change, but as and when slots become available at LHR they'll move them over. Also, DL, NW, US and CO would want to move their services across I presume.
JohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1556 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13045 times:
And Memphis remains the #1 cargo airport in the world based on tonnage - from the Memphis Commercial Appeal:
"For the 15th consecutive year, Memphis International Airport was named the world's busiest airport for cargo, handling 4.08 million tons. Hong Kong International Airport was second with 3.97 million tons. Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport in Alaska was third with 3.09 million tons."
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12967 times:
Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 17): I think that the advent of a US-EU Opensky agreement will seriously restrict the future growth of LHR, as secondary markets become much easier to access.
I'd say it'd have the exact opposite effect... as many airlines that are just dying to offer LHR-USA services will then be able to do so (factoring slots into account however) at the expense of other UK and even mainland airports.
Also, there are few such EU 2ndary markets that international carriers want to op to that they statutorily cannot at this point.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4474 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12934 times:
Quoting HUYguy (Reply 7): I hope they build runway 3 soon, because LHR is losing out to competition from Europe, as seen from CDG and AMS's steady growth, and Heathrow's poor growth.
Comparing 2000 with 2006, using the ACI data:
CDG 17.8% growth
AMS 16.4% growth
FRA 6.9% growth
LHR 4.5% growth
The combined effects of Bermuda II and unwillingness to improve infrastructure have a cost.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7524 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12918 times:
Surprised nobody has mentioned this. This is VERY strong growth. Extrapolate that growth out over the next 5-10 years and PEK will be in the top 5 easily. Could well be the world's busiest airport. And IIRC they are currently in the middle of a major expansion project to get ready for the 2008 Olympics and beyond.
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B777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12813 times:
Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 1): It´s incredible how CDG overtook FRA , just because of some people living near the airport , not allowing a new runway , it makes me so angry
It's a popular french sentiment as well, not solely german.
Quoting VV701 (Reply 4): Are you sure that is the reason? After all with just one runway:
One runway makes a HUUUGE load of difference. Some airports operate with ONLY one.
LOT767-300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 8685 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11949 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 13): Shows that LHR needs T-5, without it they'd be bound to lose #3 to a(n almost) domestic-only airport. Now, wheter LHR will pass ATL and ORD remains to be seen.
You do realize that ORD is in a clusterf**ck right now and will have 6 parallel runways in a few years. Wait till they are done re-arranging the runways and probably build that West Terminal.
25 ConcordeBoy: Could be, but likely won't. Taking historical industry precedent into account: with the kind of O&D BJS can generate plus the nature of the authority
26 LHStarAlliance: Two airports that need urgently expansion ...
27 CBERFlyer: Check out DEN's growth... +9.1%, making it the fastest growing USA airport in the top 30. I imagine this is due to the "Southwest Effect"? Their re-en
28 KC135TopBoom: I said nothing about LHR not being a world class airport. You can have 500 gates at 10 terminals at LHR, and they don't mean a thing if you do not ha
29 Aussie747: It would not suprise me if PEK overtakes CDG and FRA in 2007 and then in 2008 come close to if not overtake DFW and LAX judging by its 18% growth year
30 Carpethead: I guess HND over took DFW when DL eliminated the hub there. Unless LHR builds another runway, HND will definitely overtake LHR when the fourth runway
31 KC135TopBoom: Doesn't China have the Olympics soon?
32 SkyGazer: That's quite a narrow sighted statement. I'm sure the average household living close to the airport wouldn't be too happy with the extra noise and en
33 8herveg: I know you didn't. I said it! I was talking about the airport itself. Too small, crowded, old etc
34 Flyorski: If they don't like the aircraft, why do they live there?
35 SkyGazer: That's beyond the point. What makes you think that the people who live there can afford to live somewhere else, or that its convenient for them to li
37 SkyGazer: That's a joke of a statement. By your logic, the local government should prepare to free land next to your house for a rubbish tip, because it is a "
38 ConcordeBoy: Common sense should tell you that that's not only an inaccurate, but a pointless measure. What use would there be taking percentage into account, whe
39 Cloudyapple: SUPRISE SURPRISE! No Dubai (yet)!!! Dubai handled 28.8m pax in 2006 - growth of 16.2% over 2005!!! At that rate it'll in the top 30 (my prediction no.
40 Kbdude: Interesting, in 2006 passenger traffic... - 16 of the top 30 busiest airports are in the USA. - 7 of the top 30 busiest airports are in ASIA - 6 of t
41 MasseyBrown: Precisely. "Rubbish tips" - which also facilitate growth in the economy - and airports have to go somewhere and are greater contributors to the commo
42 Cloudyapple: Hong Kong Historical Growth Put together from figures published by AAHK. That dip is because of SARS. As you can see, it has had no long term effect o
43 VV701: But T3 i doomed to closure whether or not Heathrow East goes ahead. I agree. Bermuda 2 effectively is an Open Skies agreement with the exception of L
44 Thestooges: I find it amazing that 16 of the top 30 airports are located in the USA and that only 6 are located in Europe. I assume that this is a result of the t
45 AirportPlan: U.S. hub airports are larger than European or Asian airports and will be for the near future simply because U.S. airlines carry more passengers. For
46 Avianca: of course not, HND O&D is much higher, specially ATL has a lot of hub operations thank you to DELTA.
47 Paneuropean: Some heavy competition going on in Europe. What will MAD do next year compared to AMS? If this development will go on, maybe the top airports in Euro
48 Avianca: it looks like you forget that LH has several A380 and B747-800 on order, you can forget that AMS or MAD will pass FRA, specially as MAD beside the Am
49 Paneuropean: Neither has Delta, in terms of both O&D at Atlanta and also the current 747 and future 748 and A380 orders. AMS might not be to compare to Atlanta, b
50 MasseyBrown: That's nice; but T5 and Runway 3 should have been built 10-15 years ago. LHR is paying a price in lost opportunity for the delay, as the growth figur
51 SJCRRPAX: It's almost funny how a-net people view air traffic as a contest where natiional pride and city pride are on the line. Oh no, the Germans lost to the
52 Paneuropean: I agree. Sometimes it's hard to see things in perspective, especially if it also considers your own country or city. At least someone wants FRA to be
54 PerthGloryFan: Yes and look at #30, Jakarta. Interestingly no Indian airports are in the top 30 - yet - but give them time and the supporting infrastructure. Althou
55 LAXdude1023: Wrong you are. LAX is definately the #1 in the US and it probably is number one in the world. I mean c'mon, the number of people who travel to Los An
56 Graphic: With DEN being at number 10, you'd think it'd have more than just 2 (soon 3) intercons... Unless you count the 2x weekly TUIwhatever.
57 Carpethead: The number of airports from Asia will definitely rise in the near and distant future. Dubai, Shanghai Pudong, & Guangzhou could make the top 30 next y
58 SESGDL: Last I looked LAX had about 31 million annual O&D passengers, while ATL had 26 million. That's not much of a difference. ORD had something like 28 mi
59 CV580Freak: DXB overtook LHR in 2006 for cargo and now ranks 17th http://www.gulf-news.com/business/Aviation/10110484.html
60 LAXdude1023: Does anyone have any O&D numbers? I find it extremely hard to believe that LAX and ATL are that close in number for O&D.
61 DAL767400ER: Don't know any exact numbers, but remember one thing: Atlanta has ATL Los Angeles has LAX, BUR, SNA, LGB, and to a lesser degree ONT, all of which ta
62 ConcordeBoy: Ya shouldn't. I don't have recent numbers in front of me... but I do have 2002 and 2003, both of which saw LAX #1 and ATL #2 for total O&D.
63 LAXdude1023: Do you have a link? Im not doubting you, but I would love to see the figures for that and the other airports in the US as well.
64 Iowaman: I believe LAS has the highest O&D percentage in the U.S.
65 SESGDL: That is correct. LAS for 2004, I believe, was the #1 O&D airport based on a per-flight basis. It was also in the top 5 among all US airports. Jeremy
66 LAXdude1023: Im talking about number of passengers, not percentages. Its not even debatable whether LAX has the highest number of O&D passengers for airports in t
67 CPairDC10: Its comming dont panic, these "green" people get right on my T+++S, just like all the concorde killers a while back..thats a different story !
68 Axio: Well I'm pleased that my wife and I could add an arrival and a departure to that number. Thanks for the awesome honeymoon Atlanta
69 SailorOrion: And MUC missed the top 30 by a mere 100.000 .... Celestar
70 ConcordeBoy: Wrong on two accounts. Again, percentage is a useless measure as the likes of BTR could beat out any airport in NYC or LON when it comes to percentag
71 Aaron747: Another stunning tidbit for you all - HND is the only airport in the 60,000,000 pax category operating with just two terminals.
73 W3ndytj4n: CGK is Jakarta Soekarno Hatta International Airport? Wow, top 30 in the world for Indonesia Airport.... w3ndy
74 CHI787ORD: ORD's current construction plan and runway reconfiguration will increase it's capacity as well, and since LHR isnt doing an real runway work, I'd say
75 Jammin: Anyone have passenger numbers for all airports in one city for 2006? Like for Chicago (ORD and MDW), NYC (JFK, EWR, LGA), London (LHR, LGW), Paris (CD
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