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Spirit Increases FLL-Caribbean Frequencies  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Significant increases in frequencies during peak summer travel for Spirit from Ft. Lauderdale to Puerto Rico and international destinations. Many of the frequency increases are thanks to "redeye" scheduled, including an SJO-FLL redeye. Notice that service to Aguadilla and San Jose is already being increased before the routes even launch.

Aguadilla, Puerto Rico: From 5x weekly to 9x weekly
Kingston, Jamaica: From 11x weekly to 21x weekly
Providenciales, Turks & Caicos: From 1x weekly to 2x weekly
San Juan, Puerto Rico: From 14x weekly to 25x weekly
San Jose, Costa Rica: From 7x weekly to 14x weekly
Santo Domingo, DR: From 14x weekly to 26x weekly

In addition, subject to foreign government approvals, they will launch Caracas, Chiclayo (Peru), Lima, and Port of Spain. They are also launch Port Au Prince and St. Maarten later this spring.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Some huge increases in service on several routes........can Spirit keep all of these flights filled? Is there adequate domestic feed or do most of these routes run simply on O&D demand?

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Santo Domingo, DR: From 14x weekly to 26x weekly

And Delta just jumped into this market with a daily flight...something to watch.

And the big question......how does AA respond? FLL is just 25 miles away from MIA, AA's key latin american gateway, and Spirit's carib/latin american operation out of FLL is quickly growing.....at what point does AA take action? Spirit has gone from a minor annoyance to a major competitor to AA in some very lucrative markets.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
Some huge increases in service on several routes........can Spirit keep all of these flights filled? Is there adequate domestic feed or do most of these routes run simply on O&D demand?

A lot of it is local traffic. Some of the flights aren't even timed to connect to/from anything, like the 11PM departure to Santo Domingo, or the 11.20PM arrival from Santo Domingo. A lot of the new flights are being done by taking a plane that would otherwise RON at FLL, such as this SDQ frequency:

NK 719 FLL 2300-0115 SDQ 319 Daily
NK 714 SDQ 0330-0520 FLL 319 Daily



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

all this capacity will push down Spirit's revenues, and indirectly AA's out of MIA. You can't add that much service to a market without seeing some significant degradation of the financials in the market.

Spirit is largely paying for this expansion w/ brand new aircraft while DL is doing it with extra time in its schedule; it isn't hard to figure out who is in the better shape to win this contest.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
all this capacity will push downnSpirit's revenues, and indirectly AA's out of MIA. You can't add thatnmuch service to a market without seeing some significant degradation ofnthe financials in the market.

Though you conveniently left out that it isn't going to help Delta out either. How surprising.

None the less, the additional capacity is only during July and August.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

sure it will help DL. their cost base for these flights is alot lower than AA's or NK's.

as you know, the Caribbean and ethnic markets are highly seasonal. DL may or may not maintain FLLSDQ but it has obviously crossed the threshold regarding FLL-Latin America flights. It's not hard to imagine what they could do in the future.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Logistics question: How is FLL handling its traffic levels? Any capacity problems with Spirit adding extra flights? I can imagine the 11:00 PM departure/arrivals are not necessarily going to be the heaviest traffic times, but what kind of room is there for more flights?

I only know what I've heard from a.net - so your insights are appreciated!



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
service to Aguadilla and San Jose is already being increased before the routes even launch.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the FLL-SJO flight by NK wasn't going to be daily at first, but was to be increased to daily a few weeks after launch. And now they're already double-daily. I guess NK has lots of confidence in the route to already increase it to twice daily.

When is the FLL-SJO due to be started?

EDIT: Nevermind the question. Just found out on NK's website that it's launch date is April 5, 2007.

[Edited 2007-03-09 03:46:34]

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

I think the real question is...can terminal 4 at FLL handle all this increased traffic, much less getting people cleared thru customs/immigrations in a timely manner? I would hope NK spreads some of these flights out during the day, instead of crunching them all together into a single connecting bank. NK flights are already spilling over to terminal 3 at certain times of the day.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Kingston, Jamaica: From 11x weekly to 21x weekly


Who flies between Kingston and FLL, everyday? That is a lot of flights



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1959 times:

MY personal opnion is that NK realizes that it's only chance to survive in So FLA is to take on AA, but they may be expanding too quickly for their own good.......AA relies on feed to help fill the 2nd and 3rd daily frequencies to these destinations.....and AA knows thier business better than NK does......I think NK is in over its head and will quickly pull back......

Quoting Captaink (Reply 9):
Who flies between Kingston and FLL, everyday? That is a lot of flights

I know JM does.....and they can't be pleased either.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 9):

Who flies between Kingston and FLL, everyday? That is a lot of flights

There will be seven daily flights this summer, and AA flies four during the summer from Miami. Ft. Lauderdale has the largest Jamaican community in the US.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
and AA knows thier business better than NK does......I think NK is in over its head and will quickly pull back......

Spirit has been doing this for a while now, heavily adding frequencies during the holidays and peak summer. They will quickly pull back, because the additional frequencies are for less than eight weeks.



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
sure it will help DL. their cost base for these flights is alot lower than AA's or NK's.

I still have not seen Delta's AMAZINGLY low cost sctructure translate to financial results. Delta's balance sheet is still below the mediocre category. I can't see how Delta adding a flight at FLL, on a route where it competes with a low cost carrier with higher frequency and with AA out of MIA will do anything to improve its financials.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

because DL has a large following in FLL and has for years... and is a much higher quality carrier that is jumping into a large market during the peak summer period.

definitionally, a BK company has a broken balance sheet.... but DL's BK is coming to a close.

and DL is using its strength right now to completely restructure its network... no other airline has attempted anything close to what DL is doing in so short a period of time. I know patience is not a virtue that means much today but those who are patient will see the fruit of DL's efforts pay big dividends.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

AA's power is out of MIA and it has the conx traffic to fill up its flights. AA tried to fly INTL out of FLL but those flights were not profitable perhaps due to the fact that FLL fares tend to be lower (low-cost airport of choice). MIA is a different ball game. AA offers conx flights out of MIA, NK's offer is much less attractive and NK might be relying on O&D and ethnic travelers who fly once or twice a year and want to pay pennies for their tickets...let's see how NK performs. US tried the same concept out of FLL and it didn't work. Especially if their schedules are in the wee hours of the morning...you do not attract business full fare paxs that way.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32216 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
let's see how NK performs.

What do you mean let's see? Spirit has been flying to some of these markets for three years now. They have performed very well.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
US tried the same concept out of FLL and it didn't work.

Many would argue it was because of Spirit Airlines. I think the main problem they had was that they really didn't even try. They weren't happy with the initial results and immediately pulled out of certain markets. Though Spirit Airlines didn't help them out much, either.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
Especially if their schedules are in the wee hours of the morning...you do not attract business full fare paxs that way.

As jetBlue has shown, these schedules are an excellent way to use aircraft that would otherwise be parked, and with low fares, they fill.

[Edited 2007-03-10 01:29:11]


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

What do you mean let's see? Spirit has been flying to some of these markets for three years now. They have performed very well.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):
US tried the same concept out of FLL and it didn't work.

Many would argue it was because of Spirit Airlines. I think the main problem they had was that they really didn't even try. They weren't happy with the initial results and immediately pulled out of certain markets. Though Spirit Airlines didn't help them out much, either.

Excellent point.......US really did not try very hard at FLL with its gateway idea and its very possible that they could have made the concept work if they had more patience....US had lots and lots going on when it got involved with the FLL project and they had other priorities, so FLL never got the attention it deserved. And, as you mentioned, Spirit did not help the situation and US quietly shut its FLL gateway down.

With AA at MIA and Spirit at FLL....DL will have to work hard to create a niche in the South-Florida/Latin America/Caribbean market, its a challenge. Taking on Spirit and filling up airplanes would not be hard, DL has the power to do that......but what about the financial implications? Entering the markets is one thing, making money on the operations is another. And, its impossible to predict AA's reactions. On the other hand, DL has been full of surprises recently, and many of their daring moves seem to be working out.....so stay tuned.


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