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Will BMI Keep The A321's From Bmed?  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

With BMI being unable to find a suitable use for their own A321's and selling them off, with eventually none left in the fleet by this summers timetable... I am curious to know how BMI will manage the A321's they are getting from the recentt purchase of BMED, which is due for full integration into the BMI fleet by the airlines winter 2007 timetable.

Will BMI choose to keep them and fly on the same routes as they do now with BMED or will they choose to scrap them and focus on using the A320's for these niche routes to the Middle East and Africa?

Could this be a case where BMI are really kicking themselves and the A321's which they have just sold off, could have been used to open up further routes similar to what BMED current fly?

I am also curious to know if the BMED A321's remain in the BMI fleet will they be able to fill them up as effectlively as they do now, as they effectively operated as British Airways. With this is gave passengers greater choice of connections at LHR with BA which in some respects will not be available with BMI.

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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

I am also curious to know if the BMED A321's remain in the BMI fleet will they be able to fill them up as effectlively as they do now, as they effectively operated as British Airways. With this is gave passengers greater choice of connections at LHR with BA which in some respects will not be available with BMI.

As far as I know these aircraft will be kept, in fact BMED has more A321s on order to replace the A320 in the fleet. What BD will chosse to do with these A320s, is anyones guess. I think the A321 is likely to be more suitable to BMED's routes as the larger payload and low density cabins helps to offset the fuel load needed, so more luggage can be taken.

According to the press section ot flybmi.com BMI plans to completely integrate the current BMED structure into BMI, apart form most of the head office staff. BMI also plan to codeshare with BA on all of the routes, just like it does to Saudi. It looks like a pretty good deal, all the BA pax, but none of the BA costs and crap that goes with it. BA Execs will still be able to earn and redeem miles on the services and BMI are a pretty good airline IMHO, so all looks good!

Hope this helps,
Brian.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7382 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 1):
As far as I know these aircraft will be kept, in fact BMED has more A321s on order to replace the A320 in the fleet.

I believe that the next BMED 321 was to be msn 3081 scheduled for delivery in May of this year. Like BMED's other 321s this aircraft was part of the BA order. If it followed the same course as previous delivers Airbus Industrie would have delivered it to BA and they would have immediately sold it to a leasing company - Debis Air Finance has been used for the last two aircraft - who would then immediately lease it to BMED. This would have given BMED an effective price they could not have negotiated themselves.

However I understand that 3081 will not now be leased by BMED. The registration G-EUXJ has been reserved and it will join the BA main fleet at Heathrow. I do not know if this change was implemented before the bmi / BMED deal was struck or whether it was negotiated as part of the bmi / BMED deal.

Further 321s from the BA order are scheduled for delivery in August (msn 3235) and October (msn 3274 and 3290) and I believe all three are now destined for use by BA as G-EUXK to 'XM.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

The A321's will be kept by BMI as far as I know and the one that are still outstanding will still come to BMI/BMED. The fact that the order was partly tied in with BA will not be a problem as they will just go straight to BMI without passing through BA. Although they could keep it the way it is and still have no problem

User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

So.....we'll finally see A321s in full blue shamu livery?


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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 4):
we'll finally see A321s in full blue shamu livery

Hopefully

It will seem silly of bmi to loose the A321's. As someone said, the A321's are great for BMED for its longer routes as it can offer more business class seats without loosing economy or loosing cargo weight.



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User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

I think we'll probably see the Airbus A321s being decked out in the new two-class medium-haul product, and being used across the former BMED network as well as maybe bmi's new service to Moscow, with bmi mainline using the A319s and 320s for the shorthaul network, kitted out with a shorthaul interior.

User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I think there may well be some flexibility within the fleet seeing as the BMI and BMED crews will become one group in the next year or so it seems logical that some of the fleet at least will be configured to do short and medium haul routes.

User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

As to what happens to the BMEd pending 321's, that depends what was agreed between BA and BMI. Technically VV701 os correct. The frames are signed off to BA who then flip them to franchise carriers thereby passing on their buying power to those smaller players. This was an integral part of the franchise framework agreement. NO way will BA extend this benefit to BMI but the 4 frames caught in the "interim" could be honoured

Anyhow, BA mainline has 4 deliveries for 2007 and BMed has 4 deliveries for 2008 (or not!)


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Maybe BA will use the BMED destined aircraft to re-open some of the lost BMED routes.

I would expect BMI to move it's A321's to BMED, Cancel the 2008 aircraft, therefore attaining the BMED requirement and finding a use for it's A321s.



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