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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9285 times:
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Now that thread #1 has reached the 200 mark New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation) . I thought I would start thread #2. In the first New Zealand Aviation Thread we learnt that:

NZs new livery is confirmed and the first domestic B737 will have it applied soon. ZK NCO (B763) will have it End of Lease Check in either late September or early October. NZs B733 and ATR72 fleet are having an extra row put in at the expense of galley space. Jetconnects (QF) third B734 (ZK-JTR) is due soon, with the fourth B734 due not long after that. After having a look at QFs WLG-AKL schedule in April for getting one way prices, half of QFs daily services are scheduled to be operated by B734s. From November, SQ will operate twice daily B772s on AKL-SIN replacing the B744 on some flights. News spread of a new airline that was going to be operated by Nelson Maori, which would be based at NSN and would use some of now bankrupt QO ex J41s. After having a close up look at some ex QO J41s in storage, I doubt they will find a new owner due to their condition. NZs long haul IFE on their B772s and B744s will now have 450 hours of movies, games, music, TV shows etc, compared to the previous 200 hours. NZ announced a few days ago extra HKG and PVG flights. NZ also announced on the same day that WLG and CHC will have one weekly NAN service up intill October 27th, which will go upto twice weekly over the winter season. Just announced today, NZs domestic meal service is changing on its B737 services. The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for. One of Wellingtons catering companys is providing the new meals, which will start from next monday on all day time Jet services.

Let the thread #2 discussions start

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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9285 times:

Thanks for the roundup and good to see how active kiwi aviation is...
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand (from the previous thread).



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

How sure are we of this?


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
How sure are we of this?

DJ/SRB did say something about it when he was over here recently... I don't have a link tho and it is far from certain.



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
DJ/SRB did say something about it when he was over here recently.

Yeah but I'm not putting much weight on that! It was just a way to gain publicity. I'm open to be proven wrong of course but there's been so much talk from DJ about it over the years and nothing has happened. And they have bigger fish to fry with trans-pacific, new planes and Tiger arriving.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

SRB had to say something to the open microphone. BUT in the Virgin Blue thread on www.pprune.org, one of the guys thinks he heard that the six extra E-190s announced when the VirginBlue 777-300ERs were announced might be intended for NZ domestic use. Pprune may only be a rumour network, but it is a nice thought, and E-190s might be the planes that will bring service to cities outside AKL, WLG and CHC.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

It would be nice to have the ERJs in NZ operating domestically. Apart from the increase competition, gives alot of people here more chance to getting some jobs quicker (Jobs requiring a longish waiting list at the moment)

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9216 times:
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Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

How sure are we of this?

It has been knowen for ages thou that DJ wants to set up domestic ups here. Last I heard, it was behind DJs plans of starting up US flights on their 'to do' list

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 6):
It would be nice to have the ERJs in NZ operating domestically. Apart from the increase competition, gives alot of people here more chance to getting some jobs quicker

Add to that, it would also bring better competition which in turn brings better airfare wares which inturns makes more people fly, which in turns keeps people like you and me VERY happy


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Surely the inevitable driving down of pay and conditions for airline staff (including pilots) that competition from budget airlines results in wouldn't make people like ZKSUJ happy?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9199 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 8):
Surely the inevitable driving down of pay and conditions for airline staff (including pilots) that competition from budget airlines results in wouldn't make people like ZKSUJ happy?

I was more talking about getting to fly more Smile


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

So the cookie is still free on Link services. 3 news just reported the pay for food scheme is only on 733 services. Can anyone confirm that I'll still get a cookie on the ATRs and Q300s?

User currently offlineSqb7e From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9183 times:

Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there?

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for.

Bastards! Is it just the cookie at this stage or the tea/coffee as well. I like the drink and cookie, it helps pass the time. Except the macaroon one, eww.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Also to mention that DJ is looking at setting up a domestic op in New Zealand

This would be great. Some of the current Air NZ fares are ludicris. I know someone who had to pay $750 to get from HN to CH and back.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Whats up with the new livery, any more details?

I really hope DJ enter NZ domestically and use Dunedin for a few services.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 11):
Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there

That is true, but for the guys that pay $250-300 per one way ticket for a single flight, you want every bit of free flour, water and sugar you can get  Wink


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 10):
So the cookie is still free on Link services. 3 news just reported the pay for food scheme is only on 733 services. Can anyone confirm that I'll still get a cookie on the ATRs and Q300s?

Thats what One News have also said, so Link services still get the cookies. Maybe I should try and take the Dash 8 and ATRs services so I can get a handful of those cookies


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9061 times:
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QF also announced on TV1s late news that they won't be charging customers for their sandwiches etc.

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

Quoting Sqb7e (Reply 11):
Why are so many people worried about a cookie? I think its a good idea scrapping them. Flying domestic is just like taking a bus. Why do people need food on there?

Yes but you see liam, if Qantas can offer a decent snack for the same fare ticket as Air NZ, im sure Air NZ could still offer something to chew on while you drink your coffee. The cookie can't cost them more than 20 cents. Most fares on Air NZ, except the few lucky ones, are at the same price they were back in the day when they offered full meals on domectic flights. They are making a killing on their domestic routes. I'm sure a little complementary food wont hurt. If it was a full LCC I would understand. But yeah its only a cookie. Hardly gonna fill you up.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9047 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 17):
Most fares on Air NZ, except the few lucky ones, are at the same price they were back in the day when they offered full meals on domectic flights.

I can assure you that this statement is utterly untrue. Not withstanding the huge increase in fuel price since the days of the full-service domestic flights, fares are still considerably lower.

[Edited 2007-03-09 12:05:44]


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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 18):

As i said, except the few lucky ones, meaning the cheaper fares. If you take a flight from AKL to CHC rtn under the flexi fare on a close random date it's $664rtn. I used to pay less than $500 for the same type of fare (allowed cancelations, changes, and airpoints etc). I doubt fuel costs and that have gone up by over $150 pp since then. Also have to take into account all the saving air nz now make from reducing staff numbers, increased pax load etc..

But yeah obviously overall airfares have reduced a lot.

[Edited 2007-03-09 12:32:54]

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

The flexible fares have seen some of the biggest price reductions

Prior to Express there were no AKL-CHC fares in the $500 level that allowed cancellations or changes without penalty. Your memory may be faulty on this one.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
The Free cookie will go and will be replaced by sandwiches, rolls, cakes and slices that customers will pay for.

That's too bad, I loved the free cookie  Sad

Anything new from EK about future AKL service via Asia or non-stop?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 21):
Anything new from EK about future AKL service via Asia or non-stop?

Not that I'm aware of, I'm sure it will come though.

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
SQ will operate twice daily B772s on AKL-SIN replacing the B744 on some flights.

This is happening from July 2nd, SQ will have 11 weekly over winter daily 744 and 4 weekly 772 until July 1st and then 11 weekly 772's meaning no First Class for a while, though I've heard loads are good in all classes so I expect a 77W eventually.


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

When UA used to operate to AKL-LAX , what was the frequency of flight that NZ had to LAX? Was is 2 flights daily or was is less?

Why was the CHC-LAX flight discontinued, I believe that the flight was not daily though... but like 3x weekly? Any chance for that flight to come back?

So in actuallity has the capacity of NZ at LAX been decreased in the last couple of years? or is the # OF SEATS OVERALL STILL the same? I see they added SFO , which basically diverted some of the capacity from LAX.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 23):
When UA used to operate to AKL-LAX , what was the frequency of flight that NZ had to LAX? Was is 2 flights daily or was is less?

Why was the CHC-LAX flight discontinued, I believe that the flight was not daily though... but like 3x weekly? Any chance for that flight to come back?

So in actuallity has the capacity of NZ at LAX been decreased in the last couple of years? or is the # OF SEATS OVERALL STILL the same? I see they added SFO , which basically diverted some of the capacity from LAX.

I think UA was daily....
NZ had its Island hopping flights plus direct flights also.
In some ways capacity at LAX has decreased the past year... like you said SFO takes some of the traffic. Also AKL-HKG--LHR takes some of the thru traffic. It means there are more seats available out of LAX however both to AKL and LHR...
The CHC flight was dropped as it was not very successful, it involved juggling the crews around more than NZ liked (paxing down to CHC or operating empty to CHC) and at the time NZ was refitting the 744s so didn't have any to spare. I think it will be restarted once the 787s arrive as it is too small a route for 744s as NZ has its focus at AKL.



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25 Planetime : Thanks!! UA was daily with a 777 towards the end and 747 beofre that continuing on to MEL. What I meant to ask was did NZ have 2 direct flights to LA
26 Planetime : Will the Island Hopping flight via NAN be changed to 777? I know some of the flights this summer is a 777? But will this become permanent?
27 ZKSUJ : From what I remember they did. They had the NZ1/2 which carried onto LHR and the daily NZ5/6 as well. I think at times there was the extra NZ3/4 flig
28 Planetime : NZ 3/4 was seasonal I think they used to have this flight also during past January. Does NZ plan to have this next year?
29 QantasA333 : Reading a NZ advertisement in the paper over here advertising direct services to Auckland, Christchuch and Wellington from ADL. At the moment ADL has
30 Planemanofnz : Direct yes. Non-stop no. You can connect to CHC or WLG through AKL. On a seperate note, what will EK do to NZ in the future? Could we see a non stop
31 TG992 : From memory, NZ2 was daily from around 1994, and NZ6 was 3 or 4 times weekly until about late2001 or 2002, when it went daily. I think NZ4 originally
32 NZ107 : So which plane did the LAX-FRA route then? I doubt there is enough traffic to warrant flights from WLG or CHC, it would surely have to go daily from A
33 ZKSUJ : NZ18 using 747s
34 NZ107 : Ok, thanks.
35 Zkojh : anyone heard of any new airlines comming to AKL, i.e AI etc
36 Zkpilot : If NZ pulls out of HNL (doubt it tho) then expect to see an Hawaiian carrier down this way, unless FJ picks up the slack... OZ may make a return... a
37 VHVXB : I highly doubt it. They could have started something like this a long time ago. EY starts it Australian service in March but have no intentions of fl
38 WLG787 : I know it is a bit of a pipedream but has anybody heard anymore about WIAL's supposed talks with SQ over a direct service from WLG to SIN? After all w
39 SunriseValley : to where and with what? The nearest major destination, other than Australian cities, is SIN, a west bound still air distance of close to 5000nm. A -2
40 Aerohottie : Last I heard nothing was happening until the 787 and or A350 enter service, as all other aircraft would have heavy penalties. Although I'm sure SQ ha
41 Planemanofnz : I'm hoping : AKL-HNL for JQ AKL-SYD for QR AKL-NRT/KIX for JL (If NZ pulls out which is a possibility) AKL-PEK for CA AKL-CAN for CZ AKL-PER for SA A
42 VHVXB : Would love to see something like that happen hmm won't happen because they are not planning to fly to SYD but MEL instead
43 Alangirvan : Hawaiian Airlines from AKL would be a much better airline than Jetstar. Wellington Airport has published claims that the 787 will be able to take off
44 CXfirst : or 77L Maybe they didn't have enough ULH aircraft -CXfirst
45 Cchan : How likely are these 787s going to be filled (or even half filled)? Maybe a few once or twice a week flights to the pacific for WLG. Being a WLG resi
46 Post contains images TG992 : Could not agree more! Why not take a whole packet then? let the entire flight pass you by... NZ1, do you know anything about us keeping the 6th 763 f
47 Cchan : I was in the observations deck at AKL the other day. There was a photo of an Air Niugini plane. When did PX fly into AKL, and any chance we can see th
48 Kiwiandrew : a long long time ago - from memory NZ CX and PX did a tripartite arrangement where each of them was supposed to operate AKL-POM-HKG for a year in rot
49 Kiwiandrew : also , I forgot to mention in my previous post , I believe the current PX 763 is ex NZ and visits from time to time for maintenance . Was the photo o
50 777ER : I think its leased from NZ, and I also think QF does mostly all MX on it
51 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : ooops , I stand corrected
52 Kiwiflyer791 : Air NZ used to the MX on this Aircraft until last year when it started having its MX done in HKG instead. This plane will be ending its lease in the
53 Cchan : I hope it will go back to NZ and operate some of the pacific or tasman routes.
54 Cchan : Just curious, why does NZ45 from Rarotonga to Auckland goes via Apia on the 23th of August? Anyone knows? Thanks.
55 MotorHussy : Well at least this one's scheduled like this. I got on an NZ flight AKL to APW once and it was only when we were in the air and the captain or first
56 NZ1 : The last I heard, ZK-NCO was leaving in August. Haven't been told or advised differently yet. PX's 763 is ex NZ ZK-NCE. It stayed on our AOC and stil
57 Cchan : Any idea which will be NCO's last revenue flight for NZ? I have booked on NZ14 AKL-RAR 8th July and NZ19 RAR-AKL 3rd Sept. Any chance on these ones?
58 NZ1 : Sorry but that is just too far out to know which flight will be it's last. NZ1
59 Planetime : I have booked on NZ5 from LAX-AKL on March 29. Can someone tell me what the loads so far is and which plane they are planning to use on the flight? Ma
60 Post contains links Flyjetstar : CHC is extending their runway. CIAL airport planners Rhys Boswell and Ken McAnergney said yesterday the airport would look to extend its main north-so
61 Pilotdude09 : SQ and EK should do alright out of CHC, i know for a fact there is a HUGE asian student population in Dunedin and i assume Christchurch aswell so SQ
62 ZKNBX : Yes I wonder if we will c many new airlines enter NZ with NZ's new strategy (notice how CX completely canned their additional flights this winter, th
63 Flyjetstar : International is now great, well if not great then good for arrivals and departures. Domestic is getting an overhaul with a new terminal by 2009 I th
64 ZK-NBT : They didn't operate the additional flights last year either, in winter CX117/118 the AM service only ever operated 3x weekly. I think AKL will see a
65 Post contains links Flyjetstar : I think you need to read the article. There isn't a new runway, that is shelved by this new plan, but an extension to the main north-south runway and
66 ZK-NBT : Sorry my bad I thought you were talking about AKL, I din't read it properly. I quite like CHC never been to the International, domeestic I must admit
67 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Hey! What the! CHC is more than a nice little airport!
68 Nzrich : Christchurch International is a great airport and im sure once the new domestic terminal is completed it will make a big difference to peoples opinion
69 777ER : Anyone know the loads on the daily shuttle flights?
70 NZ1 : They are chocka, both ways. NZ1
71 Zkojh : NZ 303 in the morning's is not good at times, couple of weeks it was going down with only 30 PAXS on, this did not help with NZ1 being late most morni
72 Post contains images TG992 : Sounds like fun to me Didn't the pilot apologise on arrival into AKL?? I've been told they are looking at keeping it. Was also told that if they do i
73 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Yeah true, forgot about that. While you make a good point I guess if you leave here on SQ or EK you still avoid AKL and have the sense that you are o
74 777ER : Interesting. Wonder when NZ will think about starting the WLG-AKL shuttle
75 777ER : And other citys south of the Bombay Hills!
76 Post contains links 777ER : Airlines have dismissed Wellington International Airport's offer to reduce a proposed increase in landing fees as "a sop". The airport's 66 per cent o
77 Flyjetstar : From the Herald this morning Air New Zealand says it will boost services between Auckland, Rarotonga and Los Angeles because of demand for travel to t
78 Post contains images Flyjetstar : WLG doesn't count! Everyone knows CHC is the next major airport in NZ!
79 777ER : Its always good to see that demand to the Pac Islands is there, especially when it warrents an extra service
80 Post contains images TG992 : Oh yeah but it's not the same is it... Well you can't stop someone but I wouldn't suggest anyone posts this type of information. Don't think there is
81 Planetime : Will this be on a 767 also? Any news of 777's being deployed on the Island Hoppers?
82 MotorHussy : That's what they've kept the remaining 763's for surely. MH
83 Post contains links 777ER : domestic passenger numbers passing through the airport increased by 4.2 per cent in February to 342,477 and 0.8 per cent for the year http://www.stuf
84 Flyjetstar : That might be more a reflection on the rest of the country than WLG itself as WLG is a kind of hub for NZ so if more people are traveling in NZ then
85 Post contains links Zkpilot : Just saw that CHC got voted as the 3rd best airport in the world for its size (5-15million pax pa) http://www.stuff.co.nz/3995055a13.html "Christchurc
86 Cchan : It is a 763 according to amadeus, departs AKL on Thu and Sun. I think NZ has reduced capacity (instead of an increase) between AKL-RAR in December wi
87 NZ107 : Very much so.. The mess in front of the Air NZ part of the terminal is an eye sore. The traffic is chaotic at times, and they even have workers contr
88 Zkpilot : Any further news regarding NZ operating a 2nd flight to HKG? Not sure if it was daily, 5days or 3days per week, and with what equipment? Have to assum
89 Kiwiandrew : I thought that it was two days per week ( Fri and Sun ) with 777s ? Shows up on NZ's website as operating between 30/11/07 and 02/03/07
90 Planetime : Wow a 777 between AKL-RAR? Can RAR handle a 777? the actual flight and the capacity it brings?
91 ZK-NBT : Yes, RAR can handle 747's, NZ used to fly AKL-RAR-PPT-LAX with a 742. Thats correct, I wouldn't be surprised if they upgraded to 744's during Februar
92 Cchan : If NZ offers AKL-HKG on a 744 or 763 at the same price, I would choose the 763. The chances are that the 763 will have less passengers and will be mo
93 ZK-NBT : August is the NZ winter like I said when more Kiwis like to go there. They would have ended around 1998/99 with the 742's, I'd much rather take a 747
94 Cchan : Does anyone know usually how full were those 742s between AKL and RAR? There is no 772 scheduled for this route during the coming Southern summer.
95 777ER : Even so, schedules can easily change, like what happened when NZ fist few B772s were delayed due to the Boeing strike. I was booked on NZs first B772
96 ZK-NBT : We are only just finishing the current Southern Summer, it way to far out to tell what will happen next summer. Except that YVR has already been anno
97 Planetime : Will the 3rd non-stop flight to LAX be on for next summer time?
98 Post contains links 777ER : Security measures on provincial airline routes are under the spotlight again after a passenger managed to carry a rifle on board a flight from New Ply
99 Cchan : The good thing about provincial flights is that one can carry anything on board if nobody else see it! When was the last time a NZ aircraft was hijac
100 ZK-NBT : You talking about the Northern Winter? If you are its hard to say, it only operated for about 1 month this past December, January. It did operate in
101 Post contains links Axio : Additional Service from Auckland to Adelaide: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0703/S00349.htm Sounds like they're doing well with Adelaide. ax
102 ZKNEA : Call me looney if you want but I thought the infamous cookie had gone from link services too. The last two return trips I've made WLG - NPL (both ove
103 ZKNEA : Call me looney if you want but I thought the infamous cookie had gone from link services too. The last two return trips I've made WLG - NPL (both ove
104 777ER : Last I knew, the cookie was still given out on the link services.
105 V2fix : Hmmmm... I smell skullduggery .... COOKIEGATE !
106 Planemanofnz : But what about the extra pitch of 2" which the 744 gives! AVOD aswell! Yeah, I wonder whether QF is doing well aswell?
107 ZKSUJ : Yeap still there. travelled on a Mount Cook and an Air Nelson flight very recently and both gave them out.
108 Cchan : In the past few years, I have made a number of trips to Asia on NZ 763s. The AVOD isn't important to me, as I usually try to get some sleep. The extr
109 Kiwiflyer791 : [ That would be the 747-200 in the 80s that was hi-jacked in Fiji during the first Coup. It was hijacked by a refueller on the tarmac at Nadi .The fli
110 MotorHussy : On a flight last Sunday evening from AKL to WLG, the crew were sneaking them out to passengers with the coffee/tea service (much to passenger delight
111 777ER : Not everyone cares about the extra pitch the B744 offers, and not everyone cares about the IFE. Some people are more then happy to bring a book, mags
112 Post contains links Aerokiwi : So it appears that the whole hoopla about the "need" for Air NZ to tie up with QF was absolute bollocks, unsurprisingly... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/s
113 MotorHussy : I had the muesli-yoghurt-fruit thing yesterday morning as I was going straight to a meeting on arrival and hadn't had time for breakfast at home. It
114 Tomascubero : Hi Guys, Sorry for popping in here but I have a question for the NZ aviation fans! Tonight your soccer team is arriving to SJO for a friendly match on
115 MotorHussy : I believe the team is arriving from SCL rather than from the north. Regards MH
116 MotorHussy : NZ fly twice daily non-stop between LAX and AKL and once daily one-stop via a South Pacific island (Fiji, Samoa, Tonga or Rarotonga). QF also fly thi
117 Tomascubero : Really! Then that makes it possibly Copa with connection in PTY. I would think they are chartering something, but that wouldn't be from NZ or could i
118 WorkFlyer : I agree entirely with you on this. Wellingtonians rave over Wishbone food whenever I am down there. Never tried it myself, but if I were hungry on a
119 NZ1 : 20 years ago it cost around $100 to fly from AKL to CHC. Today, if you book early enough, you can get it for $95. People should stop their moaning, an
120 Flyjetstar : Agree with all of the above too. Times they are a changing. If they can get the cost of my flight down by me not having pay for extras I might not wa
121 ZK-NBT : NZ soccer couldn't afford to charter anything. Most Sports teams in this region fly commercially. So the answer is they flew LAN to SCL.
122 Tomascubero : Alright, you were right. The flew to SJO con Copa SCL-PTY-SJO con CM795 which actually comes to SJO with the same plane that comes in from SCL. Lets
123 MotorHussy : Soccer New Zealand does not have the funds to go chartering flights unless it is more affordable than a commercial one. In New Zealand, soccer is not
124 Aerokiwi : Always a sure way to lose business - blame the customer. The fact of the matter is that NZ has created the expectation of food and followed up with a
125 NZ1 : Actually it hasn't. Research done thus far has actually indicated that customers are not that fazed whether the cookie is there or not. You would be
126 Kiwiandrew : the competition are also reported to be losing truckloads of money and the continuing viability of their domestic services in New Zealand is in quest
127 Cchan : When I fly domestically, I seldom say yes to the cookie or biscuit and the hot drink. It is a very short trip most of the time. If I am hungry, there
128 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Wow, interesting argument here. Moral of the story is, if you are really desperate for a cookie, then fly on Mt Cook or Air Nelson. Otherwise, no one
129 Post contains images Aerokiwi : Let's see, there have been how many negative articles in the papers regarding the cookie? It's not a matter of whether people actually care, it's a m
130 777ER : I find that very laughable, considering how popular and how well Wishbone products sell, especially at a little Wishbone shop on Lambton Quay and ano
131 Aerokiwi : No you don't. But you do se the airline competition (QF) offering it. Again, why on Link but not on mainline? Again, I'm not disputing the loveliness
132 JoFMO : But you are allowed to bring your own on trains and busses. Airlines prohibit bring your won and then rip you off with disgusting on board food. Not
133 TG992 : You're allowed to bring your own food on board on all Air NZ services. No doubt, the Herald was attempting to whip up a giant frenzy over the removal
134 Cchan : Publicity lies in the offering of a biscuit? How ridicious it is! Good perception lies mostly in safety, then service (delays/cancellation, seating,
135 Aerokiwi : Yup, that's how publicity works. Stupid huh? So a Captain feeling the need to stand up and defend his airline's actions in front of a stunned cabin o
136 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Where have you been Aerokiwi? Nice to see you haven't changed while you've been away.
137 Post contains images Aerokiwi : Evaluating development projects in Africa and Asia. It teaches one the value of beligerance and scepticism. It is curious (though not all that supris
138 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Hmmm. I'm not sure you need that. I'm sure a call from Fyfe is only moments away. [Edited 2007-03-23 00:01:06]
139 Post contains images NZ1 : NZ have NO restriction on customers bringing their own food and drink onboard. I think the only restriction is that you are not allowed to consume yo
140 Post contains links and images TG992 : A minor piece of news for those who ply the Tasman routes regularly - as of today, the cardboard box meal service will be replaced with trays (similar
141 767ER : Yes I remember those trays. Thank goodness they are getting rid of those cheap looking carboard boxes. I presume for quarantine reasons they were not
142 777ER : And ask an Australian servant about their travel policys and you will find that 99.9% of all their flights per year are with QF and the .1 percent ar
143 V2fix : Great News - and I presume this on the 744 fleet only right ? Where are the extra seats going (although I think I know the answer to this one - the o
144 Rongotai : Has anybody got the schedules for the NAC anniversary DC3 tour?
145 Cchan : Which 767s are still in the NZ fleet? I thought there should be 6 including NCO?!
146 NZ1 : Yes you're right, there are 6 left in the fleet, being NCG,I,J,K,L, and O NZ1
147 777ER : Saw the NAC anniversary on the news last night and wondered about that. Some excellent history there. Would be worth taking time off work to see it a
148 ZKNEA : I for one don't care whether I get the biscuit or not but I can assure you all that the last two return trips I've done to NPL (Air Nelson) there were
149 SunriseValley : So there was a first increase in premium economy seating and now more are being added.
150 Cchan : Thanks. NCE is with PX, any idea where NCF, H, and N are now?
151 Zkpilot : Firstly this happens in just about every country around the world, in fact New Zealander's are often quite unpatriotic when it comes to buying our ow
152 TG992 : Great way of using up the remaining stock. And the cost of air travel is still far to high in some people's minds. Has it? removing a small free cook
153 Zkpilot : Yeah no BYO drinkies... comes down to the fact that an airline is effectively the holder of a liquor license... you can't BYO onto most licensed prem
154 Jimyvr : With inflations, $100 20 years ago could be about $300-400 today....may be today's air fare is cheaper
155 767ER : I found this in an old NAC. In 1973 to fly from WLG AKL cost $27 which is $247 in 2007 prices. In those days there were no smart saver, super saver, a
156 Rongotai : I still have my ticket for a round trip from NPL-LHR-NPL in 1968. The fare is $1624. That was 60% of my salary for that year if I had been paying for
157 Rongotai : Just found these as well. 1970 NPL-LHR one way $925 routing NPL-AKL NAC F27 AKL-HNL TE DC8 HNL-JFK UA DC8 JFK-LHR TW 747 And... 1972 LHR-PMR one way $
158 Post contains links Rongotai : Here's the schedule for the NAC anniversary DC3s tour: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0703/S00332.htm
159 Flyjetstar : Where did the DC3's fly to that NZ don't fly to today? I think I can see Kaikohe and Greymouth but were there others? I never flew NAC, I first flew d
160 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Check out this video from One News. I really like the line that it's a far cry from todays 777's with a picture of a Airbus (Emirates A345 landing at
161 767ER : Yes, those old NAC colours were very bold and very 1970s. You should have there the interiors - very psychedelic. I don't think you will see those lou
162 777ER : Thanks for that
163 Aerokiwi : Ah yes, virtually nil understanding international trade. Because everyone else does it, does that make it right? What's wrong with using the cheapest
164 Post contains images Zkpilot : says you... your knowledge of it seems debatable at best... well gee thats reassuring... a "Yup" is all I need to be convinced...
165 Cchan : Is a biscuit really such a big deal?! If NZ and QF have the same departure times and charge me the same price, I would choose NZ even there is no bisc
166 Zkpilot : I don't think the biscuit is such a big deal at all. Mx issues isn't really such a big factor, New Zealand engineers maintain aircraft to a very good
167 TG992 : I read the Herald most days but it does not mean I agree with their opinionated articles, I read it for the facts and nothing more. Once the article
168 777ER : Jetconnects B737s are serviced in CHC. All their MX is done there. JQs A320s that operate CHC flights have some also, ie over-night checks
169 Aerokiwi : Agreed, not the most convincing of responses, but I would much rather keep my job than win an argument on the net. Of course, it is a matter of opini
170 777ER : That was me. I can comfirm that the ones I saw are in bad shape. No interest so far in them, and they are still in the same spot. At this stage, they
171 ZKSUJ : Wasn't there one headed off to a Tongan operator or something? A carrier named Peau Vau or something like that...
172 777ER : That was roughly 3 months ago I think. The ones I've seen -JSE,K,N are in storage as they are in the worst condition of all the ex QO J41s. The ones
173 Cchan : I have been on all of them when they were flying with QO. JSN is the worst one among them, JSM and JSO were best, but JSE and JSK were also in reason
174 777ER : Some are now with Air National, while the rest apparantly have gone back to their owners
175 ZKSUJ : I thought they are operating Saab 340s now... Can anyone confirm?
176 MotorHussy : I've flown on the Saab 340 between RAR and AIT so yes, can confirm. Much better and quicker than the Bandeirante, but these do continue to fly to mos
177 NZAA : Air Raro have been for some time trying to offload 1 or 2 of there Embraers. There were reports at one stage of their lone Saab 340 being replaced wit
178 Post contains links SpinalTap : Singapore airlines have started flying their new SIN-CHC-SIN (SQ 297/298) schedule today http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...LocalOffers/chc_schedu
179 Antskip : Yep. And they were even misleading themselves, which is very worrying. Such self-delusion can't give the shareholders (both public and private) a sen
180 Cchan : Not too sure about the age of these aircrafts, but they look very old to me and are probably very close to the expiry date, if not already gone past.
181 MotorHussy : Long way on an ATR72; quite few hours in a pretty cramped cabin. An EMB 170 would be the right size, quicker, would be more comfortable and great for
182 Aerojoe : Is there any plan for increasing Y+ on the 777 fleet - 18 seems so pitiful? If so, what is the likely increase and what will be the resulting seating
183 Aerokiwi : I'm not sure whether a. NZ management are exceptionally cunning and knew the outcome but decided the delaying tactics against QF were worth the time
184 TG992 : Short answer, I don't know. Long answer, I seem to recall when the 777 was introduced, it was intended to operate longhaul, lower-yielding routes (ie
185 Cchan : I suppose there is no other choice for passengers who need to go between RAR and PPT. It is 2 hours 45 min! I think it can. The flights which Air Rar
186 Aerojoe : Would SFO and Shanghai already have demand for additional Y+? I assume that SFO must have a fairly strong Y+ demand. On a slightly different topic, i
187 Post contains images MotorHussy : Can't believe NZ is giving up the Coral Route, TE's south Pacific flying boat journey. I've always thought a weekly A320 flying CHC-RAR-PPT and anoth
188 Post contains links V2fix : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/organisati...story.cfm?o_id=5&objectid=10431314 Anyone know whether this ability will be extended to international tickets .
189 NZAA : Just to confirm guys Air Raro isnt flying RAR to PPT just a codeshare with Air Tahiti Air Tahiti is doing the flying.
190 ZKNBX : HELP! I was outside in Auckland on Monday afternoon and saw a twin engine widebody (looked like and sounded like a GE 777-200ER) ascending shortly aft
191 777ER : Oh its about time. Will save all the waiting around at the airport. In other news today, a LAN Chile A340 nearly collided with "space junk" that was
192 ZKSUJ : How close was the 'nearly'?
193 Post contains images V2fix : The Lan Chile or The Space Junk. Sorry. Could not resist .......
194 Cchan : Air Rarotonga also has the rights to this route, and in the future they may. How about extending the weekly AKL-NAN-RAR 733 service to PPT?
195 MotorHussy : Hell, that too! That's the way it used to fly from memory anyhow. MH
196 WLG787 : WLG is going ahead with Stage 2 of its international terminal redevelopment (modernising the departures level and adding 2 additional gates) Having sa
197 777ER : This was rumored a few months back, and now that its been said on another thread here that JQ is looking at more A320 family aircraft, then I'm start
198 Cchan : Services from WLG will only be limited to domestic, Tasman and Pacific. Flying any further than that is ecomically suicidal for the airlines. WLG air
199 Post contains links SpinalTap : I think this will happen sooner rather than later, some evidence: http://www.arrivalguides.com/GuidesF...group=city&dest=wellington&flag=en
200 Post contains links Darenw : Maybe not "Space Junk" http://nz.news.yahoo.com/070328/3/8j9.html?f=mv
201 ZKNEA : I wouldn't say that. City parking is $4/hr, cheapest airport parking is $4/hr too (in the value parking). Sure its more expensive than parking in Wai
202 NZAA : I know that they are going to pick up another Saab and their primary focus is on serving the Cooks. There is a good chance that the runways on the ou
203 777ER : Do you seriously expect a company (WIAL) to install free water fountains and risk the food/drinks business that lease space at WLG loose money and cu
204 Kiwiflyer791 : quote=ZKNBX,reply=190]HELP! I was outside in Auckland on Monday afternoon and saw a twin engine widebody (looked like and sounded like a GE 777-200ER)
205 MotorHussy : They do move you on quite promptly (in a slightly embarrassed manner) and suggest you do another loop while waiting. I know this well and regularly b
206 Post contains links 777ER : Part 3 is now up and running New Zealand Aviation Thread #3 (by 777ER Mar 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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