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How Long Will BA Codeshare On BE/BACON Routes?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

I was looking at the new route map on the Flybe website, where it says that the routes in 'red', which are the BA Connect routes, will be codeshared.

How long is BA wanting to do this for?

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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

I'd be surprised if it continued after this summer.

I expect a codeshare is in place purely to ease the transition - BA Connect passengers who booked before the deal was finalised will still be on a BA flight number, but on a BE flight.

I'm flying between INV and LGW in the summer, so had a little look at both BA and BE. BA are no longer showing direct flights (so even if they are codesharing, they are not selling any seats themselves).

I went for U2 in the sale. Far cheaper!



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

We have been given another flight number now for our flights between Birmingham and Edinburgh.

We are now on BA6143 and BA6146. Not sure whether it is a BA ac or a BE aircraft, but at least we have a flight!


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Looks like BA will continue to codeshare with SunAir, GB Airways, American and Brussels Airlines at MAN.

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 3):
Looks like BA will continue to codeshare with SunAir, GB Airways, American and Brussels Airlines at MAN.

Why wouldn't they?

GT is more than just a codeshare - they are a franchise so, to your average passenger, normal BA.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

But for how much longer?! Their website is now decidedly non BA!

User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

I'd expect to see GB Airways retreat from Manchester, or at least begin operating the flights under their own brand, just because I don't understand why British Airways would cut their BA Connect operations to major business cities out of Manchester only to keep routes operated by lower-cost no-frills or charter airlines. Also, surely BA's reputation for their care of their regional passengers following the flybe take-over and severe cancellations this month, must be severely dented.

I think British Airways would be wise to utilise their 15% stake in flybe wisely, maybe inviting flybe to become an affiliate oneworld member. BA maintains a regional presence, whilst flybe passengers benefit from some oneworld benefits.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 6):
I think British Airways would be wise to utilise their 15% stake in flybe wisely, maybe inviting flybe to become an affiliate oneworld member. BA maintains a regional presence, whilst flybe passengers benefit from some oneworld benefits.

Is it possible for any low cost, no frills airline to become a member of OW or any other alliance? I thought that to be a member you had to achieve and maintain minimum levels of customer service.


User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Good afternoon all

What is the situation concerning the ownership/leasing of the aircraft operating these flights? Are they owned by a leasing company and then leased by Flybe? Leased from BA to Flybe? Owned by Flybe? When is the official change of ownership/lease?

Cheers

Len



Fav aircraft has to be A340-600
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 6):
I think British Airways would be wise to utilise their 15% stake in flybe wisely, maybe inviting flybe to become an affiliate oneworld member. BA maintains a regional presence, whilst flybe passengers benefit from some oneworld benefits.

I totally agree with you. In an earlier thread I suggested something like this:



I think BE and BA should combines brands to offer the UK regions a comprehensive, and more importantly, a profitable air service. By retaining 'Flybe' as the official name of the airline (instead of 'British Airways') and incorporating it with the BA logo, I think there is a good balance. The public will recognise that while part of the BA family and the excellent service BA is renowned for, Flybe is a unique low-cost product, providing low cost, value for money flights with the logistical support and excellent service of BA!

What do you think?

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
Is it possible for any low cost, no frills airline to become a member of OW or any other alliance? I thought that to be a member you had to achieve and maintain minimum levels of customer service.

Aer Lingus* - oneworld
BMI - Star Alliance

In many ways, Flybe is a LCC in the way BD and EI are, in that it retains interline agreements with many of the world's leading scheduled airlines such as BA, DL, VS, AF etc. Also, you can book most of BE flights on reservation systems such as Amadeus. More importantly, BE allows its flights to be used as codeshare flights for other airlines, for example BE placed its code on CO's BHX-EWR flights and CO put its code on Flybe's BHX-UK flights.

*EI leaves oneworld on April 1st 2007.

[Edited 2007-03-10 19:10:12]

User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 6):
I'd expect to see GB Airways retreat from Manchester, or at least begin operating the flights under their own brand, just because I don't understand why British Airways would cut their BA Connect operations to major business cities out of Manchester only to keep routes operated by lower-cost no-frills or charter airlines. Also, surely BA's reputation for their care of their regional passengers following the flybe take-over and severe cancellations this month, must be severely dented.

Well the decision to fly routes is primarily the decision of the shareholders/managers of GB AIrways, except in the case of routes "passed" to them by the franchisor to operate on their behalf (Malaga, Faro and a whole host of ex mainline routes). It is just that under the franchise agreement ALL of "GT's" flights have a BA prefix rather than a GT prefix. The decision is nothing to do with BA ultimately. If GT make money then BA make a cut, if GT loses money then BA makes a cut regardless.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2646 times:
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Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 9):
I think BE and BA should combines brands to offer the UK regions a comprehensive, and more importantly, a profitable air service.

Err.....BA had several very succesful independent airlines operating as franchise operations but managed to convert all of them into a loss-making enterprise after acquiring them. What the regions need is to be reassured that BA won''t going anywhere near them in terms of buying them giving their past record.


User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Just wondering still if BA6143 and BA6146 are code share?
Will it be a Flybe a/c or a BACON?
Who do we check in with?


User currently offlineSQno1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoted From BA.com

"For travel from 25 March 2007: your flight will operate a FlyBe product. You should proceed to a FlyBe check-in desk for your flight.Customers already booked for travel from 25 March will receive an email confirming the new flight number in relation to their journey."

Since your flight is after the 25th March 2007, you will be flying on a FlyBe. aircraft, although it could still be one of the former BA connect aircraft that has now been amalgamated into the expanded BE fleet. It looks like you will have a Dash 8 Q-400 outbound and a ERJ-145 on the return, which of course was previously in the Bacon, now owned by FlyBe.

Amadeus says that your flight will depart and arrive from Terminal 2.

I've taken the flight details from the original thread that you posted on 7th March.
BACON/FLYBE At BHX (by EMAlad Mar 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I hope this helps.

With Regards,
Alex.B  wave 


User currently offlineEMAlad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

It looks like the flight on the way back is full (how many does the plane hold?)

If I want to check on on-line, do I still do it through ba.com (as i still have a BA flight number) or on flybe.com?

Cheers for your help


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