Lapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1478 posts, RR: 9 Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9537 times:
For the past few days this week, there have been 2 UA 777's parked up at LHR. One is by the BA maintenance area, the other is by the bmi hangar. Does anyone know why they're there?
Number of flights this year: 9 Next flight: Nothing Booked
Musapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 894 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9363 times:
I have no clue but thats strange. If they are undergoing maintenance, they should EITHER be in bmi or BA but not both? I guess they wont sign a contract with both companies for maintenance in LHR right?
TropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9012 times:
I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1156 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8709 times:
Quoting TropicBird (Reply 2): I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.
How the heck did two mishaps happen to wto UA 777's without anybody mentioning it here in the forum? More importantly, how/when did the damages happen?
Lapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1478 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8491 times:
I was quite surprised that no-one else had posted the question on here earlier. I thought it was strange when I saw one parked up at the BA mx area, then I saw the other one parked up. I thought they were parked due to flight timings at first, but when I saw them for a few days in a row, rudder in the same position wrt the BA parked one, I knew something was wrong. Anyone know the reg of these and how the mis-haps happened?
Number of flights this year: 9 Next flight: Nothing Booked
Algoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8378 times:
Quoting TropicBird (Reply 2): I am told both aircraft are seriously damaged and are being repaired by Boeing. One of them had an electrical fire which besides damaging wiring also damaged aircraft skin. The other apparently has a damaged (dented?) horizontal stab.
This is correct - the first aircraft was departing LHR to SFO, and as it was taxiing smoke was spotted coming from the nosewheel area. Aircraft was evacuated (not using slides however), and is still at LHR being repaired by Boeing.
2nd aircraft was found (upon arrival from ORD) to have a hole in the tail - possibly caused by de-icing equipment. This aircraft too is in process of being repaired. Due to UA's tight aircraft availability, this had led to numerous unplanned cancellations. Fortunately, it's not a hugely busy time of year across the Atlantic.
Flyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7751 times:
Anyone know what flights they cancelled?
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Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4035 posts, RR: 58 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7609 times:
I saw the one that had had the fire a few hours after if had happened. It was parked next to the new control tower for a day or so before being moved.
I was going to take pics of it, but there was hardly any noticable damage so I didn't bother in the end. From what I heard, it was a fire either in the electrical bay beneath the f/deck or something to do with the IFE. Apparantley the Fire Service attened and gave the a/c a good soaking which has no doubt damaged the a/c electrics further. Not sure how true that is, but that was the gossip around LHR the other day.
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DC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5999 times:
Aircraft with the electonics damage will be repaired by BAC, no firm date. The other is FOD damage, not deicer, either on takeoff or landing, something kicked up off runway. Being fixed now, should be back shortly.
Ordpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 518 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
EKSkycargo370 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
Apologies for what I wrote earlier,it was not meant in offence.
LimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 356 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3177 times:
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 8): From what I heard, it was a fire either in the electrical bay beneath the f/deck or something to do with the IFE.
Are these kinds of electrical fires common, or is this a "phew, that was close!" type of situation?
IPFreely From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
I wouldn't think that UA has two B777 "spares" that can be out of service for an extended period of time.
Have they cancelled a frequency somewhere until these planes are repaired?
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4035 posts, RR: 58 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2422 times:
Quoting IPFreely (Reply 14): I wouldn't think that UA has two B777 "spares" that can be out of service for an extended period of time.
Have they cancelled a frequency somewhere until these planes are repaired?
Quoting Algoz (Reply 5): Due to UA's tight aircraft availability, this had led to numerous unplanned cancellations. Fortunately, it's not a hugely busy time of year across the Atlantic.
Do people not read the whole thread these days ?
Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 13): Are these kinds of electrical fires common, or is this a "phew, that was close!" type of situation?
I've never heard of it happen to a T7 before. Any kind of a/c fire that is succesfully contained without major loss of life could be considered a "phew that was close!" situation. Especially with little damage to the a/c too.
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TropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 15): I've never heard of it happen to a T7 before. Any kind of a/c fire that is successfully contained without major loss of life could be considered a "phew that was close!" situation. Especially with little damage to the a/c too.
It was a serious fire and I understand there have been 7 of these so far (with 777's). It had something to do with the ELMS closet or something like that?? (I'm not very familiar with 777). And yes UAL has been struggling with other grounded 777's.
DC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 352 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2264 times:
Not certain where TropicBird is getting info, but "serious" is always subject to one's interpretation. Obviously, on the ground smoke is far less "serious" than inflight.
UAL isn't struggling with any unusual issues with 777's, just the normal things that come with working machinery. Their fleet is large enough to have spares, and with help from the 747's, cover their long haul markets.
TropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 17): Not certain where TropicBird is getting info, but "serious" is always subject to one's interpretation. Obviously, on the ground smoke is far less "serious" than inflight.
I got my information from a very reliable source. Any fire on-board an aircraft is serious especially one which burns wires and damages the skin of the aircraft such as what happened to this aircraft. All airlines have bad days and UAL is no exception.
BTW...I am a fan of the DC-8 having once worked with them. A good "solid" aircraft.
Geo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
Quoting TropicBird (Reply 16): It was a serious fire and I understand there have been 7 of these so far (with 777's). It had something to do with the ELMS closet or something like that?? (I'm not very familiar with 777). And yes UAL has been struggling with other grounded 777's.
ELMS or Electrical Load Management System controls the electrical loads and power distribution on the aircraft. There have been a few incidences with different operators concerning burning of certain relays and electrical feeder cables (high current). Due to the specific nature of the problems they are only likely to ever occur on the ground. However I can only go on previous incidences as I don't know the details of the UAL aircraft.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17776 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
How the heck did two mishaps happen to wto UA 777's without anybody mentioning it here in the forum?
Lots of incidents happen without making it on here or on the news.
Very true. If you monitor the FAA's daily incident reports on their website, it's a rare week where there aren't several airliners involved in minor ground collisions, being struck by fuel/catering/de-icing trucks, cargo containers etc etc. And that's just in the USA.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2815 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1496 times:
Flew in and out of LHR on Saturday and Sunday but couldn't get a reg. Saw that in front of the BMI hangar today there was a UA 772, CX 744, and South African 343...don't know if the others were just remote parking or what
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