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BA To Remove Concorde Model From Heathrow Airport!  
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17298 times:

I'm sad to see this happen, but BA have said they cannot justify the large rent paid to BAA for keeping G-CONC on display!

One of the most famous airline advertisements in the UK, the British Airways BAC-Aérospatiale Concorde model at London Heathrow airport, is to disappear and will probably be replaced by an Emirates Airbus A380 after the Middle Eastern carrier acquired the site.

The Concorde model is sited on a roundabout on the north side of Heathrow, where the spur road for the M4 motorway into London intersects the road tunnel beneath runway 09L/27R

Dubai-based Emirates has secured the rights to the advertising site after British Airways ended its 16-year link with the prime location.

Emirates is a little less sentimental about the change. UK and Ireland vice-president Vic Sheppard says: "Concorde will always have a place in the hearts of all aviation enthusiasts, but it represents the past -- while we will be using this site in a fresh and innovative way."


Pictures of G-CONC Model


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Let's hope BA put something spectacular in front of Terminal 5!

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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1865 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17243 times:

I hope they find a nice home for that model!

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17215 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 1):
I hope they find a nice home for that model!

It would look great in front of T5.

To be honest, I don't understand why BA did this. This area is prime advertising space and sits right in front of the entrance to the tunnel that 25 million passengers use to get to Terminal 1,2 and 3. Once BA moves in to T5, they could have used the space as a reminder to passengers flying with other airlines on what they were missing out on, namely BA's excellent reputation for quality! What a shame to see it go!


User currently offlineEKSkycargo370 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17201 times:

This is what will be happening,EK have bought the land and a model of an EK A380 will be placed there.

The actual Concorde currently parked at BA maintenance is to be either placed inside or outside the new T5 terminal building as T5 will be solely for BA only.

Great bit of advertising for EK,rent on the land apparently 1.4 million pounds a year!


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17181 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Thread starter):
One of the most famous airline advertisements in the UK, the British Airways BAC-Aérospatiale Concorde model at London Heathrow airport, is to disappear and will probably be replaced by an Emirates Airbus A380 after the Middle Eastern carrier acquired the site.

Wooow, this is just shocking. I'm surprised they let the space down in favor of an Emirates plane. The Concorde is a symbol of Heathrow, why doing that?! Only because they offered more money?


This is just like filling Schiphol with Air France colors...



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 3):
The actual Concorde currently parked at BA maintenance is to be either placed inside or outside the new T5 terminal building as T5 will be solely for BA only.

When Concorde was retired in 2003, there was alot of talk about placing the Concorde parked on the airfield at LHR right inside Terminal 5 next to the departure gates. Apparently the aircraft was to act as a 'Gate Guardian'. I haven't heard anything about these plans since 2004/2005.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17058 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
To be honest, I don't understand why BA did this. This area is prime advertising space and sits right in front of the entrance to the tunnel that 25 million passengers use to get to Terminal 1,2 and 3. Once BA moves in to T5, they could have used the space as a reminder to passengers flying with other airlines on what they were missing out on, namely BA's excellent reputation for quality! What a shame to see it go!

I can't see how a model of an aircraft no longer in service would attract people to use BA anyway. Suppose BA put a 777 there instead, how would that attract, new custom - everyone knows who BA are anyway, and a model aircraft says nothing about what your servuce is like INSIDE the plane!



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User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16926 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 6):
I can't see how a model of an aircraft no longer in service would attract people to use BA anyway.

Concorde will always be a symbol of style, innovation and class. If these are not brand attributes that BA wishes to cultivate in the minds of the traveling public then someone in BA marketing is asleep at the controls. Even out of service, Concorde continues to be aspirational to a large number of flyers. This change at Heathrow marks a sad day in its history.

[Edited 2007-03-10 21:40:48]


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User currently offlineCJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16682 times:

Its a disgrace on behalf of emirates, completely neglecting the legacy that the monument had given to heathrow. It'll be too long before an emirates A380 touches down at heathrow anyway. British Airways should not have to pay rent, its the countries national carrier. On that note, I also put shame on the money greedy bastards that charged them rent anyway, the services at heathrow, and to some extent the landing fees keep the airport running very well. The last thing that should represent heathrow is a plane that is not yet in commercial service, and will not be at heathrow for a while, by an airline thats based around 3,300 miles away!!


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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16620 times:

Where would the real concorde at T5 go ? Or would they cut it up to fit ? (maybe remove a wing or the rear section ?

I would imagine the model G-Conc will be scrapped or given to a museum.

When BA all flies from T5, then the entrance to T1-3 makes no sense any more. At least today they fly from T1.

Look at it this way, they replaced the "old future" with the "new future", or the "old white elephant" with the new "white elephant"



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16602 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 8):
Its a disgrace on behalf of emirates, completely neglecting the legacy that the monument had given to heathrow. It'll be too long before an emirates A380 touches down at heathrow anyway. British Airways should not have to pay rent, its the countries national carrier. On that note, I also put shame on the money greedy bastards that charged them rent anyway, the services at heathrow, and to some extent the landing fees keep the airport running very well. The last thing that should represent heathrow is a plane that is not yet in commercial service, and will not be at heathrow for a while, by an airline thats based around 3,300 miles away!!

welcome to the real world of business...surely BA make enough money to pay the rent on it? It's not EK's problem if BA decide to cancel the contract.



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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16528 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 9):

When BA all flies from T5, then the entrance to T1-3 makes no sense any more. At least today they fly from T1.

Not all BA flights will go from T5, Aus routes will move to T3.

I personally will be sad to see the Concorde model be removed, it's been there ever since I remember and is something I always look forward to seeing when I'm heading into the central area. It's one hell of a way to welcome people to London.

People will always associate Concorde with BA, and BA with Concorde (no disrespect to AF).

At the end of the day I assume it comes down to money as most things in the aviation world now do, Willie must enjoy having an extra £1million or so to add to the other cuts he's making around BA.  box 

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 8):
Its a disgrace on behalf of emirates

I can't for the life of me see how this could be perceived as EK's fault. They are out there to compete against every other airline. If BA does not think it's important to market their airline (which that Concorde model does do regardless of what people say) at the busiest airport approach road, that's BA's problem. Good move by EK on their part, surprised VS didn't try and get it, that would have ruffled a few feathers at BA I'm sure.

BritPilot777



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16406 times:

I read in the Heathrow Skyport that G-CONC will be offered to either Brooklands or Duxford.

It seems that in BA's mind that Concorde is gone and forgotten already. I'll bet that G-BOAB won't last much longer at LHR at this rate.

I very much doubt if it will become a "gate guardian" at T5, and I certainly don't think it will end up inside the terminal as it has been stated that the plans were too far advanced at that stage to consider it, although personally I don't think it would take a great deal to be able to accomplish that with the amount of empty space inside the new building.

I'm sure that the BAA and BA could have found a place to re-locate the model whilst still keeping it at LHR, but as I said before, it seems like BA are now trying to distance itself from Concorde. Heck, if they really wanted to keep it, they could even have re-located it to Waterworld, there is plenty of space it could go there.

 Smile



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16320 times:

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 3):
This is what will be happening,EK have bought the land and a model of an EK A380 will be placed there.

Great bit of advertising for EK,rent on the land apparently 1.4 million pounds a year!

Which is it? Did EK "buy" the land or are they "renting" the land?


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 11):
At the end of the day I assume it comes down to money as most things in the aviation world now do, Willie must enjoy having an extra £1million or so to add to the other cuts he's making around BA. box

I'm not so sure they were actually paying anything for the space up to now, but instead that BAA proposed starting to charge for it....


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16277 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 4):
This is just like filling Schiphol with Air France colors...

Aren't you over-reacting ? what has to do with AF and AMS ?


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16210 times:

Let us face the realties that: 1) EK has the money that BA doesn't have, 2) the Concorde is not longer flying but the A380 will soon be flying, and 3) BAA is looking to make money to make more profits. I do wish BA, for which LHR is their 'home' airport, could continue to have a display of their airline there, but sometimes money is thicker and more important than emotions.

User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16198 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 8):
Its a disgrace on behalf of emirates, completely neglecting the legacy that the monument had given to heathrow. It'll be too long before an emirates A380 touches down at heathrow anyway. British Airways should not have to pay rent, its the countries national carrier. On that note, I also put shame on the money greedy bastards that charged them rent anyway, the services at heathrow, and to some extent the landing fees keep the airport running very well. The last thing that should represent heathrow is a plane that is not yet in commercial service, and will not be at heathrow for a while, by an airline thats based around 3,300 miles away!!

Absoloutly Fantastic response and welcome to my Respected Users list!
I do not understand why BA has to pay £1.5 million for this every year as well, its disgusting.
I will be very sorry to see it go as I pass it 4 times a day to get to work.
We will miss you very much G-CONC... well I will anyway!



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15930 times:

Wow! Even though I'm an economist and usually agree with the term "money speaks," this is actually very, very sad. I never flew the Concorde, but remember seeing them taxiing at CDG many, many years ago. I think in this case money should not speak and BAA should come to some kind of agreement with BA in order not to let the Concorde go.

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offlineKeno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15910 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 8):
Its a disgrace on behalf of emirates, completely neglecting the legacy that the monument

Honestly why should EK give a squat about the legacy? Their aim is to make people fly with them, not assisting BA in any way.

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 8):
British Airways should not have to pay rent, its the countries national carrier.

As long as BA do not own that piece of prime spot, of course they have to pay rent to the land owner. Does this mean that since they are the national carrier they get massive discounts off the airport tax too? (or better still, zero tax) You see how ridiculous that sounds? Welcome to free market economy.

[Edited 2007-03-11 03:41:44]

User currently offlineUnited757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14700 times:

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 15):
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 4):
This is just like filling Schiphol with Air France colors...

Aren't you over-reacting ? what has to do with AF and AMS ?

I think KLM685 was using an analogy.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14536 times:

Rather sad as the Concord model was one of the few enjoyable aspects of flying from Heathrow.

I think that the one thing BAA didn't understand was that the model was a symbol for Heathrow as much as it was for BA.


User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14466 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
It would look great in front of T5.

I agree, if BA move there, then that is where their BA concorde should go.

I am shocked about this news, when I lived in England, that is one of the things I distinctly remembered about LHR. The only thing I remembered more was that sign (by the concorde) that appeared to have a giant spider behind it as it gave me nightmares  Sad

EK 380 model, that's great news for Airbus.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14432 times:

Never been a huge Concorde fan other than the fact it is a pretty airplane and would have made an awesome medium cold war bomber!!!

That model however was great. It always signified to me that I'd beaten London traffic and finally made it into the airport.

A true landmark.



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14064 times:

Well the model represented a service BA no longer offers, so it was slightly disingenuous or rather misleading! As for G-BOAB being a gate guardian at T5, rumour has it that won't be!

25 BMED : What I would think that would look good is a silver, metal goble that has aircraft flying around in either various airline colours or plain silver air
26 MD80fanatic : Good point. The only thing similar between Concorde and the A380 will be the total number of frames produced.
27 Post contains images Strudders : Hi All I cant see the point in continuing with G-CONC anyway. In 12 Months or so............ the vast majority of customers will be coming to a new sp
28 Post contains links 8herveg : A good place the model could go, or even one of the actual Concorde aircraft, would be at the 'T5' roundabout at the entrance to Terminal 5 itself. Th
29 Post contains images JoKeR : Honestly, why should we give a squat about "in-your-face" EK? Even if the land was available for lease/sale, and if EK Marketing "dudes" and "gals" h
30 Bongodog1964 : As mentioned at the time, the Ferrovial takeover of BAA only makes financial sense, if they can make substantial increases to income, and reductions
31 Sketty222 : I thought that all longhaul flights were to leave from T5 and only the flights to Spain and Italy were to leave from T3 You took the words right out
32 MadameConcorde : Shame on BAA for having G-CONC dismantled and moved from where she is. I will certainly miss her. I hope British Airways will find her a suitable new
33 OA260 : It is a shame to see it go but I guess it couldnt stay there forever. I have passed it many times and it is a nice sight to see. I will however be int
34 UK_Dispatcher : Lets get a few things straight here. BA is not the UK's national carrier. It is now a public company so is no more a national carrier than BD or VS -
35 JoKeR : Nothing to do with BA, I was commenting about the British Aviation history for one. Two, all I said was that EK could have received just as much publ
36 OA260 : I agree its a bit childish to say your going to boycott EK because BA has sold its soul!!! BAA is a business and it has the right to charge rent for
37 Strudders : Hi Again Errr Sorry has this thread tripped into La La land?? Bashing and Boycott Emirates for taking advertising space that BA no longer wished to ha
38 UK_Dispatcher : Exactly. I think the views of those who are bashing EK for this are clouded by sentiment. I think a reality check is needed. That said, it just had t
39 NeptunesCar : it will always be remembered in abfab for the time they approached heathrow to go to new york: patsy: 'it's taking off without us!' edwina: 'no, its j
40 Threepoint : Well to correct you on your correction, BA is NOT the national carrier and what 'the majority of British people consider' hardly makes that fact any
41 VV701 : An Emirates 380? Hmmm. Quite surprising. Would expect to see Ferrovial insisting on an Iberia 320 or 321. Well there you go.
42 Post contains links DL021 : I did not realize it was advertising space. I assumed it was airport property and a monument to the fastest airliner ever built and flown daily from t
43 OA260 : Sorry you are wrong !!! So I will correct you . I grew up 5 miles from LHR and also my first job in Aviation was at LHR. I do know what Im talking ab
44 MCO2BRS : A Classic moment! It is sad that she will be gone from her current location, she has been there for as long as I can remember. One day while going to
45 Post contains images UK_Dispatcher : There is a big difference between what people say/assume and what is true. The fact is that BA is in no way designated the UK's national airline. The
46 OA260 : LOL....well it could have been less!!! I just rounded it up !!!LOL.... Anyway when do you think its due to be removed??? Im back in 4 weeks so hopefu
47 Flyorski : Actually considering that AF and KL are the same company, apart from the names, I think it would be very different, than Emirates taking advantage of
48 Threepoint : Where who, exactly, would see it?!? I grew up 5 miles from Cape Canaveral, so following your logic, I know all about rocket science. I'm not disputin
49 OA260 : Good for you !!!!! You wouldnt see it . It would be a waste of time putting it there. Hopefully they can put it in front of a roundabout in T5 or at
50 Post contains images UK_Dispatcher : Etihad Airways
51 DL021 : Millions of people. Who aren't already at the airport with tickets. You could put it an any number of places in Europe or elsewhere in order to promo
52 Bongodog1964 : I'm sure this is what the BA board thought when they got the rent demand. Lets spend our money where it might do some good
53 Goinv : Just put my bid on e-bay for the Concorde model from a seller named wWalsh ! Only joking....I wonder how much they could sell it for ?
54 B757fan : It's a shame that such a piece of aviation history will be taken off display. I have never seen the concorde in person but have grown to love it like
55 RRconway : I know several people have already asked, but...DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE REMOVED...LOL, I would like to get a photograph before it goes. I ha
56 Post contains images PExDCA : Well if that doesn't put this whole thread into perspective nothing will!
57 GDB : While it's sad, it's been sort of inevitable since 2003. I may have been involved with Concorde from 1997, to the very end, and greatly saddened by it
58 Mhodgson : I can appreciate their reasons for removing the model, though would have thought that it's vastly reduced size compared to BOAB would lend it perfectl
59 LeonB1985 : Now, this is just a rumour taken from PPRuNe, but apparently the model cannot be dismantled to be relocated and will, therefore, be broken up on site
60 Willyj : Do you go home for lunchie? lol. I agree it's sad. That model wasn't so much about BA, as it was about the excitement of air travel... and LHR was on
61 EGTESkyGod : From all articles I have read elsewhere, the date being mooted is 21st March 2007. Unfortunately, this is 2 weeks before I get back from Sydney, so S
62 EDICHC : BA is not the 'national carrier' it is a plc...see "BA aka London Airways" thread for the opinions of those British residents who live in Scotland, W
63 Richierich : It better not be scrapped! It should have a home somewhere at LHR but in BA's defense, why would they want to keep paying for something that is now t
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