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TAM To Fly GIG-MIA Non-stop  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4977 times:
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According to O GLOBO newspaper today, and as per TAM's Marketing & Planning Vice President, the company will begin daily flights GIG-MIA up to the end of 2007. This put an end on the discussion regarding MIA or JFK.

TAM shows that 11% of their pax are from Rio, just behind Sao Paulo with 25,9% and due to this the company is really committed with it's second largest market, after launching it's most modern lounge and also introducing this week more domestic flights to CWB (the 2nd daily non-stop) and REC/NAT (3rd daily non-stop).

This flight will join the " mini-hub " Tam is building in Rio with non-stop service at night to CDG, EZE, POA, CGH, CPQ, SSA, VIX, CNF, BSB, FOR, REC, NAT and AJU and considering their results on CDG route, MIA probably will be a strong success also.

Probably during the next 60 days TAM will announce the schedule for this flight as well as the date of the first flight.

TAM will receive at least 1 M11 (to fly MXP by the end of this month), 2 more A332 by November, 2 A332 in 2008 and 2 more in 2009 as well as 4 Boeing 777-300ER during 2008.

It will be their 4th daily flight to Miami, and past rumors indicates that a day-light flight with stops in the Northeast are also on Tam plans, which constitutes their 5th daily.

Tam is nowadays the sole Brazilian player on US-Brazil market with 35 weekly flights. If they really begin 2x daily from GIG, should become the major player on the US-Brazil market.

Felipe

[Edited 2007-03-11 20:14:27]


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

That's great news, Lipe. I believe TAM will do well, and it will be a great thing for pax (whether connecting or not) to avoid GRU's congestion.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Good news.

This new flight will definetly be a winner. Hope in the future they (or AA oe even DL) start a GIG-JFK nonstop service.



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

In the network I receive last OCT for budged purposes, this route GIG/MIA/GIG with both A332 to be received in NOV07 were already scheduled.
I can also anticipate that negotiations are being doing in the market to get extra A332 in the next months.


User currently offlineMD13 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Is there any news (or rumours) regarding more Latin American services by TAM ? CCS, MEX, BOG, PTY perhaps?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4792 times:
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Quoting MD13 (Reply 4):
Is there any news (or rumours) regarding more Latin American services by TAM ? CCS, MEX, BOG, PTY perhaps

Tam announced they will introduce more international destinations during this year, and a CCS flight with PZ is a possibility, daily with A320.

PTY and MEX i doubt during the next 12 months. BOG, there are slots blocked by Varig and we have Gol and also Ocean Air flying for the right to fly, seems to be a little difficult to get the slots.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
In the network I receive last OCT for budged purposes, this route GIG/MIA/GIG with both A332 to be received in NOV07 were already scheduled.

I remember your comment Richard and today was the first time one Director says about the route. Seems that they confirm it.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
I can also anticipate that negotiations are being doing in the market to get extra A332 in the next months.

Another A332... so speculations will be back ! Could be for MXP to fly both directions overnight or a new route ?
We could see also GIG-MIA begins with 1 plane only and the 2 other could fly FRA... lot's of possibilities!

Felipe



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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Always good to hear TAM expanding into the US. Although I'm still waiting on AA or TAM to fly MIA-SSA daily.

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DCA
User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Wow Felipe! This is indeed a good way of marketing TAM in Rio de Janeiro. They're about to have launched 3 or 4 international non-stops from GIG (CDG, EZE, MIA and possibly JFK) in a short-time period. I'm confident that GIG-SCL-GIG if well timed would be a success too.


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User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

While I do believe there is some growth in Rio - and am really glad that airlines are starting to see that too - I believe that a major fact which is contributing to the expansion of ex GIG flights is the chaotic situation of GRU. São Paulo deseperately needs to improve both their airports. If that doesn't happen, we'll see some players leaving the market before too long.

But, back to the issue at hand: if Rio & the airlines play their cards right, there is real profit to be gained from the traffic originating in the oil business with direct and fast connections through GIG - GRU, I'm afraid, won't be able to handle the traffic for some time (amazing how everyone knew this was comming and the Government still didn't do anything). I wouldn't be surprised if EK decided to lauch a tag-flight to Rio in the near future to exploit this market.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Awesome news. Hopefully the rumours about the route being 2x daily, with a daylight service stopping off in various Brazilian ciries, becomes true. TAM is becoming to MIA what Qantas is to LAX.


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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

When is the Brazilian government going to do some thing about the visa issue. I thinks its ridiculous that someone has to go all the way to Recife to apply and still might get turned down in the process. Anyway that was my rant for the evening. But I believe the time is right for AA and TAM to take full advantage of the current advantage they hold in Brazil and the US by opening up some new routes or previously established routes while increasing some frequencies to the US.

Of course I'll start with my favorite

MIA-SSA 
MIA-BSB
LAX-GRU
JFK-GIG

[Edited 2007-03-12 05:43:30]


DCA
User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

3/12/2007, I sit here on a ground aborted AA 1280 GIG-MIA. On 8 Mar, AA 905 MIA-GIG ground aborted.

If AA can't get their 767s off the ground, my Felidade TAM card is going to get some miles.

I was in NAT last year and was not able to get photos or an update on the new airport, Lula and Vilma are making that airport a priority. It will be interesting to see how NAT evolves. REC really is a wreck.

Whats's in the cards? GIG-LAD? Cool airline, these guys are really kicking butt. Still no rumors on the A350 order?



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 10):
Of course I'll start with my favorite

MIA-SSA
MIA-BSB
LAX-GRU
JFK-GIG

My favorite would be CNF-MIA  Smile Or even better, CNF-MCO  Smile


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 8):
While I do believe there is some growth in Rio - and am really glad that airlines are starting to see that too - I believe that a major fact which is contributing to the expansion of ex GIG flights is the chaotic situation of GRU. São Paulo deseperately needs to improve both their airports. If that doesn't happen, we'll see some players leaving the market before too long.

You have a point here.
Authorities finally admit that GRU has got waaay more flights than it actually demands (thus spoiling other potential key markets).

Looking at the costumers' origin, we figure out GRU roughly concentrates 71% of Brazil-MIA flights whereas it accounts for 1/3 (25,9%) of this traffic.
GIG, on the other hand, gives a report of half of GRU's demand, yet there's only one GIG-MIA inasmuch as there are 5 GRU-MIA. Quite an asymmetrical distribution.

So, I think that flights rearrangement comes beforehand and afterwards the airports improvement will be more than welcomed and better planned in accordance to reality.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 10):
When is the Brazilian government going to do some thing about the visa issue. I thinks its ridiculous that someone has to go all the way to Recife to apply and still might get turned down in the process.

You mean the American government? There is a bill being worked on the American side to reduce the wait time it takes to get a visa and that would eliminate the need for a consular interview for some more people.

I have not heard anything about visa-free entry for Americans/Canadians/Japanese/etc in Brazil in a very long time.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4364 times:
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Quoting Brasuca (Reply 7):
They're about to have launched 3 or 4 international non-stops from GIG (CDG, EZE, MIA and possibly JFK) in a short-time period. I'm confident that GIG-SCL-GIG if well timed would be a success too.

I doubt about SCL, but i believe next steps will be a 3rd daily EZE service (is really missing a GIG-EZE early morning and EZE-GIG at early night allowing int'l connections).

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 8):
While I do believe there is some growth in Rio - and am really glad that airlines are starting to see that too - I believe that a major fact which is contributing to the expansion of ex GIG flights is the chaotic situation of GRU. São Paulo deseperately needs to improve both their airports. If that doesn't happen, we'll see some players leaving the market before too long

If Sao Paulo receives less connections so the two airports can take care of the city's own demand. Tam is looking for this, they know that a new service GIG-MIA will also allow them to offer more seats to Sao Paulo residents and O&D market. I don't think so many players leave the market of Sao Paulo, we will see further improvements as Infraero announced 10 more airlines are interested in new flights and/or increase their frequencies to GIG. No names given.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 8):
I wouldn't be surprised if EK decided to lauch a tag-flight to Rio in the near future to exploit this market

It's easy to see a dedicated flight in the future but it's very early. EZE is also fighting for a EK non-stop from DXB.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
TAM is becoming to MIA what Qantas is to LAX.

And MIA is for sure their most profitable station world-wide (international flight). CDG generates more revenue, but they use 6 A332/M11 to CDG and only 2 A332 + 1 A32A to MIA.

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 10):
Of course I'll start with my favorite

MIA-SSA
MIA-BSB
LAX-GRU
JFK-GIG

And i keep saying that JFK-GIG is a route that nowadays i can't understand why no one is flying ! Agree that BSB and SSA (also REC) deserves flights from MIA and Brazil is in need of a link from West Coast.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 11):
If AA can't get their 767s off the ground, my Felidade TAM card is going to get some miles.

AA could use a 772 to GIG, now they will have a strong competitor on this profitable route with a better plane. AA GIG-MIA keep very high cargo & pax loads, with high fares & yields. Not so easy to find a deal for less than US$ 1,000.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 11):
I was in NAT last year and was not able to get photos or an update on the new airport, Lula and Vilma are making that airport a priority. It will be interesting to see how NAT evolves. REC really is a wreck.

The new airport at NAT would be a interesting hub in the northeast !

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 11):
Whats's in the cards? GIG-LAD? Cool airline, these guys are really kicking butt. Still no rumors on the A350 order?

I doubt they will play GIG-LAD, seems that TAAG is doing their home-work very well improving always frequencies (now 3x weekly). I have no news on the A350, Michael.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 13):
You have a point here.
Authorities finally admit that GRU has got waaay more flights than it actually demands (thus spoiling other potential key markets).

I'm trying to say this here for more than 1 year ! At least TAM has the same view as i am.

Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Here is a link to Panrotas about what we have been talking here on A.net for a long time:

http://www.panrotas.com.br/canais/re...l_reader_noticia.asp?cod_not=28008

There is a comment at the end from Infraero pointing out that airlines have been gradually looking to expand Rio.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 11):
REC really is a wreck.

Even the new terminal?

I was there a few years ago, just before they opened the new terminal, however they opened the new gates before and I got to use them and they looked very nice (Ok, I had to sit by the old gates, but we walked through the new ones to get to the jetbridges/aircraft).

[Edited 2007-03-12 16:45:06]


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User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):

It's easy to see a dedicated flight in the future but it's very early. EZE is also fighting for a EK non-stop from DXB.

 wideeyed  That's a whopping 7400nm, even longer than DXB-SYD. I really doubt this is a feasible route, as it not only will take approx 15 hours, but a 77W must be payload restricted. The 345 can easily make it, but I doubt whether this would be the optimal plane for this route, as I doubt there is so much demand from premium pax for EZE.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4216 times:
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That's why i believe it could be a DXB-GIG-EZE, and as soon as they can split the route, a 345 to GIG and a 772LR to EZE.

Felipe



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
That's why i believe it could be a DXB-GIG-EZE, and as soon as they can split the route, a 345 to GIG and a 772LR to EZE.

Whishfull thinking. That is all I can say.


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
There is a bill being worked on the American side to reduce the wait time it takes to get a visa and that would eliminate the need for a consular interview for some more people.

I don't think it is quite a bill yet, but the Consulate General at Sao Paulo has a "business plus" program that allows frequent business travellers to apply with much LESS bureaucracy. If you hold any kind of valid business visa (B2, I - my case - and so on) and need to renew it, you just show up at the consulate (no appointment needed) and 99% of cases, no need for interview.

All you have to do is show up, take your fingerprints taken, and in a matter of 2 hours the visa is yours. But the applicant himself must be there in person (the only major burden, if you don't live in Sao Paulo)


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4069 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 21):
I don't think it is quite a bill yet, but the Consulate General at Sao Paulo has a "business plus" program that allows frequent business travellers to apply with much LESS bureaucracy. If you hold any kind of valid business visa (B2, I - my case - and so on) and need to renew it, you just show up at the consulate (no appointment needed) and 99% of cases, no need for interview.

Note this is a back-track as in the past you won't need an interview to renew a Visa ! And it works only if you are trying the same Visa. In my recent case, even for business they grant me with a 44 days queue in Sao Paulo. As i have a very good knowledge in Rio i get the same in 3 days !

The better than can do for Brazil is to open a new consular district (probably SSA, BHZ or CWB), allow people to contact the consulate they want, and easy the requirements for tourists.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Further TAM-related news is that the airline will start on 29 March 2007 GRU-COR flights daily. The flight will allow for TAM connections. It will compete with GOL which recently also upgraded COR flights. We could expect TAM to open ROS in the near future also to compete with GOL.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
TAM shows that 11% of their pax are from Rio, just behind Sao Paulo with 25,9%

Any link?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
but i believe next steps will be a 3rd daily EZE service (is really missing a GIG-EZE early morning and EZE-GIG at early night allowing int'l connections).

Agree. AR keeps 3 daily GIG-EZE flights, and TAM only has very uncovenient mid-day flight plus very late evening flight.

TAM just announced that SSA-EZE flight will have stopover in GRU instead of GIG.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
That's why i believe it could be a DXB-GIG-EZE, and as soon as they can split the route, a 345 to GIG and a 772LR to EZE.

EK will operate DXB-GRU nonstop 6 x week. The next move of EK will be to turn service daily. I think any EK flight to GIG or EZE will only happen after 2008.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3806 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
Further TAM-related news is that the airline will start on 29 March 2007 GRU-COR flights daily. The

Just a little correction: GRU-AGT-COR and the plane will be F100.

PZ716 GRU 1000 AGT 1045 1115 COR 1400
PZ717 COR 1700 AGT 1830 1900 GRU 2050

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
Any link?

Hardi, it's available only on "O Globo Digital" from Sunday, 11th 2007. It's Digital. Page 43 IIRC.

Try this link Hardi, but i believe you need to be registered (it's free) and you can see
http://www.experimenteoglobo.com.br/...rno=&page2go=1&idMateria=4&origem=

It's available for 2 more days. Look for "Um sotaque carioca na TAM", talking about one of their VP's, born in Sao Paulo but raise in Ipanema, announcing more services to GIG.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
TAM just announced that SSA-EZE flight will have stopover in GRU instead of GIG.

Yes, they just changed a domestic flight FOR-SSA-GRU, now an international service FOR-SSA-GRU-EZE and this service will not use the A32A (with Business). Will be an Airbus A320 with 174Y.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
EK will operate DXB-GRU nonstop 6 x week. The next move of EK will be to turn service daily. I think any EK flight to GIG or EZE will only happen after 2008.

I expect.. but i have my doubts !

Felipe



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25 PHKLM : As much as I would like to fly TAM on that route Lipe, I don't think this is a very attractive route. Why the heck does it stop in Paraguay? I am ver
26 BSBIsland : JJ (or PZ?) already flies GRU-AGT-ASU with the Fokker 100. I believe they are just changing the last leg to COR. Maybe there is a market between AGT
27 LipeGIG : You're right, but TAM timetable seems to be good for people willing for international flights, even with stops in AGT. And IIRC, all flights COR-Bs A
28 Incitatus : TAM owns (or is!) the national carrier in Paraguay, so a stop there is not unthinkable. But TAM's choice of schedule and routes sometimes is very wei
29 Post contains images A388 : Indeed TAM is growing on the MIA routes from Brazil. A fourth daily and maybe even a 5th daily flight is a lot and comparable with QF and LAX. Good ne
30 LipeGIG : I don't think so. The MIA route is doing very well on the night flight, but on the daylight could be a waste of aircraft. But we can see a kind of mi
31 Hardiwv : Correct. As mentioned by Lipe AGT operations and loads are doing well so I would not be surprised by the addition of another F100 flight in AGT. All
32 LACA773 : What are people's thoughts about TAM starting GRU-LAX service? Since RG is gone and I know that this Ocean Air is suppossed to pick up the abandoned r
33 MAH4546 : Highly unlikely. The market is not as large as people like to believe and is low-yielding.
34 LipeGIG : As per Mark comments, and accordingly to TAM's CEO comments, LAX is not on their wish list now. And after the GIG-MIA i believe the next steps will b
35 LACA773 : Lipe, Thanks for the information. Very interesting. Does anyone know when this Ocean Air is suppossed to to begin flying the GRU-LAX-GRU route? LACA77
36 LipeGIG : This Monday they will held a press conference where they should announce their first international flights to LAD, that they get frequencies to fly t
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