Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter): I will bet this will lead to an immediate grounding of tour operators until the FAA decides what to do.
Are you aware of some systemic maintenance failure or shortcoming? Is there evidence that the operators are cutting corners on safety leading to the accidents?
Or are you presuming that because there happened to be two accidents in close proximity to each other that "something must be done!" From the news reports, it sounds like both craft had a mechanical failure which can occur to any of us at any time. And there is nothing the FAA can do to prevent unexpected mechanical problems from bringing an aircraft of any sort down.
The way the industry works is:
The actual cause of the accident is determined. That will take some time.
If there is evidence that the companies are cutting corners - then there will be groundings.
If the operators had an unexpected failure or there simply was extreme bad luck, then not.
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2010 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
To me...pure coincidence. Two separate operators with two different aircraft and (possibly) two different causes. We already know in the first accident, the pilot reported hydraulic failure and I haven't read the details on the second one yet. I don't think grounding all tour operators out there is the right thing to do.
The reference news story (years old) is not related the the first reported mishap (inexperienced pilot error vs. apparant hydraulic failure). Without knowing the mishap acft's systems one can not make a judgement on the pilot's actions (pilot error, yes or no). Second recent mishap cause is still unknown so no judgement can be made.
You referenced a 3 year old PROPOSED rule that has nothing to do with the two recent mishaps. Perhaps IF the rule had been active you could POSSIBLY link the two, but it would be a failure of local FAA office at enforcing the (proposed) rule, not the companies that had the recent mishaps.
At no time has the situation reached the point of grounding all tour operators (in Hawaii or elsewhere).
8yrs USN acft mishap investigator
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