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Winglets On AA 757s  
User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

TULSA, Okla. – American Airlines announced today plans to return more than 60 employees to full Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT) positions at its Tulsa Maintenance Base.

This will result in pay increases for all of these employees in the form of license and skill premiums. In addition to these AMTs, the company announced plans to adjust its manning to backfill their vacated positions. In total, American Airlines anticipates over one hundred employees will receive recalls or reassignments.

Carmine Romano, Vice President - Tulsa Base, noted that success at the base would not have been possible without the support of Transport Workers Union Local 514, which has been critical to the recovery process.

These recalls and reassignments are due to additional work coming into the Tulsa overhaul base. It currently is operating two Boeing 757 winglet-modification lines and plans to open two more lines, operating all four lines seven days a week. Installing winglets on aircraft increases fuel efficiency and is critical to the fuel and financial savings that American requires.

So How many 757s have AA fitted with winglets? And how many are they expecting to do?? Initially I thought they were going to fit 20 757s with winglets, but this makes it sound like far more than that.

Thanks for any info.

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User currently offlineEbs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

The original plan was 20 but they have decided to put them on a majority if not all of them. Also, they will be installing them on all 77 737's


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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
And how many are they expecting to do??

All of the 757's will get winglets with the exception of the TWA birds.



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear they'll all get winglets - they look great! Wish they'd spruce up the interior as well!!

User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 268 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 2):
All of the 757's will get winglets with the exception of the TWA birds.

So all 757 will get winglets, but they going very slow in putting those winglets, and when they plan to finish the Conversion?


User currently offlineOrl777 From Venezuela, joined Jun 2005, 268 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 2):
All of the 757's will get winglets with the exception of the TWA birds.

So all 757 will get winglets, but they going very slow in putting those winglets, and when they plan to finish the Conversion?


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

I flew one of the wingleted 757's and asked one of the pilots whether he could see a reduced fuel consumption when he flew the wingletted 757 versus the non on sfo to stl and he said he could not-I know this is annecdotal and that AA would not installl them without empiracal evidence-but

1. Do the winglets reduce maximum take off weight and "cost" fuel to lift to crusing altittue?
2. How much do they cost as an aftermarket item?
3. How much as a percentage do they save?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
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http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/ringo3727/738winglet-4.jpg

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Article

AA will install sets on every 752 they keep in the fleet.

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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting Orl777 (Reply 5):
So all 757 will get winglets,

All RR powered 757s.

Quote:
but they going very slow in putting those winglets,

One does not pull all acft from revenue service at the same time. Winglet installation is scheduled to coincide with major maintenance visit to minimize out-of-service time. 757 fleet has very high utilization rate and the modification takes 2 weeks.

Quote:
and when they plan to finish the Conversion?

Scheduled for early 2008.

Quoting Ultrapig (Reply 6):
1. Do the winglets reduce maximum take off weight and "cost" fuel to lift to crusing altittue?
2. How much do they cost as an aftermarket item?
3. How much as a percentage do they save?

1) No change to certificated MTOW. Potential small increase in runway limited weight. Slightly heavier airframe structure more than compensated for by increased performance.
2) Published retail value ~1 million dollars/set... AA's price is ??? (confidential company info).
3) Reportedly 4-5% on AA's 752s and 4-6% on AA's 738s.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2920 times:

I'm questioning American's logic in announcing these new hires. American needs to think about what these employees are going to do once they finish the winglet work. They don't have enough third party work to justify keeping these employees, nor are there many carriers out there (at least in the US) that would use American's maintenance services.

User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
American Airlines announced today plans to return more than 60 employees to full Aviation Maintenance Technician (AMT) positions at its Tulsa Maintenance Base.

Wonderful news to hear it so good to hear the hardworking men/women of all the major airlines are getting call back to work the winglet is a plus.....Bravo AA.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
announcing these new hires.

New hires?  confused 

Article states the following:

American Airlines will be able to increase mechanics' pay and add other workers. American Airlines is recalling 64 aircraft mechanics from other positions or maintenance bases to expand its Boeing 757 winglet modification lines in Tulsa, company executives said Friday.



Please advise.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
I'm questioning American's logic in announcing these new hires. American needs to think about what these employees are going to do once they finish the winglet work. They don't have enough third party work to justify keeping these employees, nor are there many carriers out there (at least in the US) that would use American's maintenance services.

Like FXramper said the people in question are recalls, not new hires. When comes right down to it AA needs the manpower to get these aircraft outfitted in a timely manner. Don't forget that AA also plans to outfit the rest of their 737's as well. Who's to say what sort of third party work they will get in the mean time. Plus there's normal attrition that you have to take into account between now and when all AA 757's are outfitted with winglets.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Please advise.



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 12):

My mistake.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 13):
My mistake.

It happens.

The majority of the recalls still work for AMR in some capacity. More of a lateral move in the company.

More good news for AA.


User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

AA is also looking at a short term lease of the former DL hangar at DFW to speed up the MD-80 galley mods. They may have already worked out a deal with the airport. The mod work being done is partial removal of the aft galley, then installing 4 seats in it's place.

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
I'm questioning American's logic in announcing these new hires. American needs to think about what these employees are going to do once they finish the winglet work. They don't have enough third party work to justify keeping these employees, nor are there many carriers out there (at least in the US) that would use American's maintenance services.

One of the gripes of AA's mechanics has been that as mechanics retired or left AA, none of the furoughed mechanics have been recalled. It appears that between the amount of work at TUL and the number of mechanics that have retired, AA is now able to undertake a recall.


User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Sorry to bring this one back up, but nobody answered the question. What's the schedule for AA to winglet the 757 fleet?

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11452 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
American needs to think about what these employees are going to do once they finish the winglet work.

I assure you that AA would not be recalling/promoting these TWU union workers if it did not have a long-term plan for what to do with them. AA knows full-well that the entire 737/757 winglet modification program will be complete in the coming months, and they wouldn't bring back these employees if they didn't think they would have work for them.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 17):
Sorry to bring this one back up, but nobody answered the question. What's the schedule for AA to winglet the 757 fleet?



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 8):
Scheduled for early 2008.



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 8):
One does not pull all acft from revenue service at the same time. Winglet installation is scheduled to coincide with major maintenance visit to minimize out-of-service time. 757 fleet has very high utilization rate and the modification takes 2 weeks.

M


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 9):
I'm questioning American's logic in announcing these new hires. American needs to think about what these employees are going to do once they finish the winglet work. They don't have enough third party work to justify keeping these employees, nor are there many carriers out there (at least in the US) that would use American's maintenance services.

 confused 

What would be better, stay home for 2 years without a job or be recalled and have a paycheck??



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User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 19):
Quoting AAR90 (Reply 8):
Scheduled for early 2008.

Oops. Must have missed that. Thanks.


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