Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
A380 To JFK.. Which Runway Likely For Arrival?  
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

I know there was a thread regarding the A380's first visit to the USA, or JFK at least. Monday, March 19th is the date, and I believe she is due in about noon. Can somebody please confirm the latest?

My question is: which runway is she likely to be brought in on? I realize that nobody can predict weather conditions or traffic patterns for that day, but assuming weather is a non-event, what is the typical arrival pattern at that time of day? I'm guessing it will likely be 22R or 22L - the former is 11,300ft and can easily handle the A380. Are they likely to use 31L just because it is the A380 and therefore they want to use the longest available runway? (31L/13R is 14,500ft long, almost enough for the Space Shuttle!).

Just throwing this out there in case anybody had any insight into airport preferences.


None shall pass!!!!
47 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

I don't know which runway we'll use, but I know that the estimated time of arrival 12h30 (local time) is.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10629 times:

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
assuming weather is a non-event, what is the typical arrival pattern at that time of day?

It really could be anything. In optimal conditions, it would probably land on 22L, since that's where the European arrivals generally come in.

It'll be either 4R, 13L, 22L or 31L, I think. Which one of those will depend on the winds that day. Best would be 22L, that way even if it does switch to 22R, you'll still get a good view of it. With all the other runways, if you're set up for one and it lands on the other, you're pretty much out of luck.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10451 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Please correct me if I am wrong. There is info on another thread about the A380 landing in LAX at 9am. This thread is stating that an A380 is arriving at JFK at 12.30 noon. Is it that two a380s are coming into the US and are landing within 30 minutes of each other on each coast?

Secondly is there a list of Anetters in the New York area meeting at JFK as a group in one of the spotting areas? If so, could someone kindly direct me to that thread.

Thanks

Ken.



It takes knowledge to make a career. It takes wisdom to live a life.
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
With all the other runways, if you're set up for one and it lands on the other, you're pretty much out of luck.

That's kind of what I was afraid of!!!  Smile
I guess there is no reason that the A380 should get any different treatment than any other airliner though, so I presume watching where planes are landing at, say, 11:30AM or so, should give an indication which runway JFK is using.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
guess there is no reason that the A380 should get any different treatment than any other airliner though, so I presume watching where planes are landing at, say, 11:30AM or so, should give an indication which runway JFK is using.

I thought there was only 1 runway capable of handling it at the moment. I think 31L.

Best thing to do is have a scanner with you and monitor NY Approach. They will set it up for whichever Runway they want it to use well before you see it on approach.

Check the threads on NYCAviation.com for more info.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
I'm guessing it will likely be 22R or 22L - the former is 11,300ft and can easily handle the A380

Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet, and if its not a vfr day, the distance behind the glideslope is only about 7500 feet. I don't know the performance characteristics of the airplane, but I am guessing it will either be 13R or 31L, depending on the wind. Even though both those runways have displaced thresholds, the available landing distance in either direction is still over 11,000 feet.

One thing I am wondering, can you imagine an A380 doing the canarsie visual to 13R? That will really be something to see.


User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
31L/13R is 14,500ft long, almost enough for the Space Shuttle!).

It actually is designated as an alternate shuttle landing facility. That would be a hoot.


User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

The plane would more than likely land on the bay runway (13R/31L).

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

From what I hear, 31L will be used. And yes, 2 A380's will be used that day, 1 arriving at LAX and the other JFK at/almost the exact same time (according to plans).

Mike


User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):
Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet

Too bad I don't have a car ... I would love to drive down Rockaway Blvd-878 past the Cargo buildings and try to intercept that beast on to 22L or R.

Regards,
Jeremy


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):
Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet, and if its not a vfr day, the distance behind the glideslope is only about 7500 feet.

It should still be more than enough for the A380 to roll out. It's not like they're landing the A380 in LGA or in MDW.  Wink


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10061 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 6):
Except that the 22R has a mega displaced threshold, so the actual landing distance available is only 8,665 feet,

Which is about the length of 22L, and 747s use that all the time. I can't see JFK making special procedures just for the 380, so it'll probably have to learn to fit into whatever traffic flow exists at the time. Which means landing on 22L, and yes, doing the Canarsie approach to 13L (which would look very cool, I admit).

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Best would be 22L, that way even if it does switch to 22R, you'll still get a good view of it.

Except if we are waiting to watch it land at 22L/R and they switch to using only 13L then we are screwed...

I can't but help think it will land on 31L...That being said, it would be great if we have confirmation before Monday.

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 9):
From what I hear, 31L will be used

Please let us know when you find out for sure!

Also, what is the frequency for NY approach to monitor?


User currently offlineVnvlain From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 23 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Though this was a while ago, I found this document on Google:

http://www.ans.dhmi.gov.tr/TR/ATCTR/...A380/JFK%20ICAO%203%20Dec%2004.pdf

On slide 13, it says the following:

Runway Width
  • Have one 60 M Runway (4R/22L)
  • 13R/31L will be 60 M by 2008


  • Hope to see some of you over there.



    Farewell Aquarius. We thank you.
    User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

    Quoting Vnvlain (Reply 14):
    Runway Width
    Have one 60 M Runway (4R/22L)
    13R/31L will be 60 M by 2008

    So if I understand correctly, the only runway it can use at this point is 4R/22L? In that case, makes it easy - only that if it is 4R, that's the worst one to spot for.

    -Mir



    7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
    User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

    Do you think that the planes coming into JFK and LAX will be in contact with each other, and zig-zag a bit on their routing if it appears one is ahead of the other in terms of touchdown time? I think there's PR value in synchronizing these landings, so I'm wondering what the actual FlightAware routes will look like after it's all over. I'll bet one or both flights will show little 'hiccups' enroute, for no apparent reason.

    Chris in NH


    User currently offlineVnvlain From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 23 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

    Quoting Mir (Reply 15):

    It would appear so...unless they finished the construction way ahead of schedule. I have never spotted in JFK before...can you explain why 4R is the worst one? Cheers.



    Farewell Aquarius. We thank you.
    User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
    Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

    Quoting Vnvlain (Reply 17):
    I have never spotted in JFK before...can you explain why 4R is the worst one?

    The approaches to the 4s are over Jamaica Bay, so there's no practical way to get close to the planes.

    -Mir



    7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
    User currently offlineAirplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

    If it's coming in at 12:30, that means it should (hopefully) be flying over Boston around 11:45. I'll look up  Smile


    Why yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist...
    User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

    Quoting Mir (Reply 18):
    The approaches to the 4s are over Jamaica Bay, so there's no practical way to get close to the planes.

    Not ideal, but we should be able to get a decent view if it is landing on 4R...That being said, 22L seems most likely if that is the only runway capable of handling it at this point...


    User currently offlineCleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

    What time does the A380 depart LAX?


    United Airlines... "It's Time to Fly."
    User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
    Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

    Does anyone know if it'll fly over central Long Island tomorrow on its final into JFK? I live in there and usually a alot of Euro originated flights are coming right over my house so I can get a few decent shots.


    That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
    User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 10
    Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

    Quoting NYC777 (Reply 22):
    Does anyone know if it'll fly over central Long Island tomorrow on its final into JFK? I live in there and usually a alot of Euro originated flights are coming right over my house so I can get a few decent shots.

    If she lands on Rwy 22L/R, she likely will. That's a standard pattern for the 22s.



    KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
    User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
    Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

    Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
    what is the frequency for NY approach to monitor?

    Maybe still 125.7 for flights from Europe on initial contact?


    25 PropilotJW : any good place to get some good pictures?
    26 Post contains links Moose135 : Check out www.nycaviation.com - you will find spotting maps for JFK, and check the message forum, we've been talking about it for a while now.
    27 Mirrodie : I can't remember where, but I recall reading that there is a reason why the 2 A380's are landing so close together in time. And that the first will la
    28 Moose135 : No, you remember correctly - Airbus told LAX they would get the first US flight if they moved up scheduled improvements to get LAX ready for the 380,
    29 Post contains images CaptinTuT : Even though that might be like the worst case scenario for a lot of people but you still can get a good shot if it's landing on 4R, you can go to Roc
    30 Post contains images HighFlyer9790 : Dammit! ill be in school at that time! i go to school/live right under the corridor for all east coast airports - lots of contrail spotting for me, e
    31 Corey07850 : KJFK 182330Z 190024 28018G30KT P6SM FEW050 SCT250 FM0400 29015KT P6SM SCT070 FM0900 28008KT P6SM SKC FM1500 23010KT P6SM SCT040 FM2100 19018G28KT P6SM
    32 Mir : Looks like it. To the soccer field! -Mir
    33 B707Stu : That would be my guess so that Long Island can get a good look at her as she floats her way in. Also, 22R and 22L are excellent view from T3 and 4 an
    34 Post contains images JetJeanes : Probably due to the ice and snow it will be diverted to Teterboro.... Can you imagine sitting on Jfks, tarmac 9 hrs on that thing in first class,,, I
    35 Super Em : 31L or 13R Please! History will be made tomorrow and I would like to be close to it. It would be cool if it did a fly by or better yet a go around. Bu
    36 JetJeanes : Jfk to Dca to Ord to Jfk-Hkg?? Lax is coming in empty and will we spending a lot of time taxing and running around the tarmac.. anyway who ever gets i
    37 MPDPilot : Can the A380 only land on runways that are about 200' wide. I have always wondered why airports built runways 200' wide when 150' would do.
    38 JetJeanes : stand corrected 4 am not pm/// The air show Monday begins at Frankfurt International Airport, when the 239-foot-long plane takes off as Lufthansa Flig
    39 Mir : Might have something to do with 4R/22L being JFK's CatIII runway. -Mir
    40 Post contains images Corey07850 : Which would make me one very happy person Does anyone else think they have something planned like a little stroll down the Hudson river??? Surely the
    41 Stylo777 : LH8940[Edited 2007-03-19 05:30:08]
    42 NYC777 : So it is going to land on 22L or 22R then it would have to come over central Long Island?
    43 Airbazar : They've been reporting on it this morning on the Today show. They just showed the "air show" screen and it appears that they are taking a southern ro
    44 Post contains images RJpieces : Just woke up and saw it on flight tracker...Gonna have to get used to seeing A388 written under "aircraft"
    45 Post contains links Tjwgrr : FlightAware isn't tracking it, but Flytecomm.com is: http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight Airline Lufthansa Flight Number 8940 Departure City
    46 Stylo777 : it was 22L in the end
    47 ANCFlyer : A380 come and gone, this thread is done. No more guesses about which runway it'll use I bet.
    Top Of Page
    Forum Index

    This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

    Printer friendly format

    Similar topics:More similar topics...
    A380 To JFK - ETA? posted Wed Feb 28 2007 18:21:51 by NYC777
    Emirates First A380 To JFK? posted Sun Feb 5 2006 06:53:33 by RJpieces
    Oslo - Gardermoen. Which Rwy Used For Arrival? posted Wed May 25 2005 13:12:01 by Thom@s
    First A380 To Fly, Which One? posted Mon May 10 2004 23:45:53 by A388
    Is The A380 Coming To JFK And IAD posted Tue Jan 30 2007 19:22:43 by NYC777
    Narita To The US: Not A Market For The A380 posted Thu Aug 31 2006 20:01:23 by Incitatus
    EK: A380 To Enable UK-OZ For $480 RTN posted Thu Nov 3 2005 05:22:53 by Scotron11
    US Senate To Vote Anti-missile Law For A380 posted Sun Aug 7 2005 15:46:48 by Beaucaire
    Will The A380 Go To JFK? posted Mon Jun 13 2005 17:53:20 by Jetblue15
    Runway Width For A380? posted Thu Feb 17 2005 01:12:59 by Timz