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Airbus Exec Hints At Tardy 787  
User currently offlineNoWorries From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 539 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20154 times:

He's baaaack ... John Leahy says that Boeing's supplier thnk the 787 may be late.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...echnology/2003615147_airbus13.html

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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20144 times:

Quoting NoWorries (Thread starter):
He's baaaack ... John Leahy says that Boeing's supplier thnk the 787 may be late.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....html

Well if anyone knows aircraft delays, its Airbus and Mr. Leahy - they're sort of the experts on the subject.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20050 times:

Quoting NoWorries (Thread starter):
He's baaaack ... John Leahy says that Boeing's supplier thnk the 787 may be late.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....html

Of course he does, he's the one sitting on the "White Elephant". Airbus's journey brought them to a fork in the road and they chose the wrong path. Airbus's options have run dry, it appears they're left to resort to "spinning the truth and mud slinging".

787 might suffer a delay, but not a monumental Airbus setback. The Airbus debacle would bankrupt most companies.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20040 times:
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"You'll clearly see 2007 as being the year of the A350," he said.

Doesn't he mean 2014, when the A350 might fly for the first time?


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20000 times:

There is a Boeing press briefing this AM at 10:00 isn't there? Let's see what Scott Carson has to say about the 787. Frankly, Mr. Leahy isn't doing himself any favors when he makes these pronouncements; they come across as 'sour grapes".


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19999 times:

Quoting JAL777 (Reply 1):
Well if anyone knows aircraft delays, its Airbus and Mr. Leahy - they're sort of the experts on the subject.

Indeed. Leahy saying that is just another reason he has no further credibility.



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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19969 times:

Whatever it is, Airbus should be careful to talk publicly about delays... the have not proven their ability to manage them yet. And am not sure Boeing are asking them for help lol!


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19938 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
Frankly, Mr. Leahy isn't doing himself any favors when he makes these pronouncements; they come across as 'sour grapes".

Especially after the Kudos Boeing gave the A380 last week . . .

Pretty cheap shot . . .


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19909 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
There is a Boeing press briefing this AM at 10:00 isn't there? Let's see what Scott Carson has to say about the 787. Frankly, Mr. Leahy isn't doing himself any favors when he makes these pronouncements; they come across as 'sour grapes".

Actually that breifing is on Monday the 19th at 10AM ET.

Boy JL love to put his foot in his mouth. He really like egg in his face...next time it's going to be a whole pie. What a jerk!

He needs to worry about his customers cancelling the A380 then talking trash about the 787.

[Edited 2007-03-13 14:43:25]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31414 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19913 times:
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He still has his sense of humor:

"Despite our extensive experience in delaying aircraft programs, we don't have any particular inside knowledge" about the 787 program, Leahy said. "But if you talk with suppliers, most people are talking about up to a six-month delay as a possibility."

However, as of this week Alenia is preparing to ship their first fuselage sections to Vought and the Japanese continue to send parts and are preparing to send the wings this week or next.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19812 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
There is a Boeing press briefing this AM at 10:00 isn't there? Let's see what Scott Carson has to say about the 787.

The first 787 vertical stablizers are due to be delivered on Wednesday morning.

Yes there have been some supply problems but Boeing nipped it in the bud.

Alenia was behind with their barrels. Boeing sent engineers.
MHI was having a little bug with the wings. Boeing sent engineers.
All resolved. The wings are being picked up this week.
The 2nd LCF is now in the air and will bring the wings to Seattle. Then hopefully off to Spirit for the forward section. And to Italy for Alenia's sections to haul to Charleston for joining with KHI/FHI sections and Vought sections. Then those are sent off to Seattle. End of April...roll out of a nice new 787-8.

Boeing is a little behind but still in the target window.

I am a father and if I were Leahy's father I would say..."That is a time out young man. Go stand in the corner. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19722 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
"You'll clearly see 2007 as being the year of the A350," he said.

Doesn't he mean 2014, when the A350 might fly for the first time?

Could it be that Mr. Leahy is a bit better informed then just about any airliners.net member? I'd give atleast some credibility to the man's predictions about their OWN products.

Quoting NoWorries (Thread starter):
John Leahy says that Boeing's supplier thnk the 787 may be late.

So it's not Mr. Leahy who is predicting a delay but the suppliers, according to the article.

Do note that Mr.Leahy's own words were...

"In this particular case, misery doesn't love company," said Leahy, "We wish them well, to get an airplane out the door on time."



But, I'd say much more worth a topic IMO are these paragraphs...

Only one airline, Finnair, has reconfirmed that it will order the new version, but Leahy said he expects almost all of the original customers will do so.

One reason for his confidence: Leahy said part of the $657 million set aside in the parent-company accounts last week for the A350 delays was to cover the difference in price between the original A350 and the latest version.

In other words, Airbus is paying much of the difference, and the airlines that ordered early are getting a great deal.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19705 times:

6 months? I guess if its true w´ll see a lot of "suggest deletions" calls next week.

What strikes me in the article is the pre occupied defensive stand the reporter takes towards Leahy.

Who the hell does he think he is questioning Boeing, the Holy Grail Of Aerospace Technology (where´s leelaw anyway  Wink )


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7135 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19641 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
I am a father and if I were Leahy's father I would say..."That is a time out young man. Go stand in the corner. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Bingo.
John should really just talk about Airbus. If Boeing succeeds in delivering on time (and I have no reason to doubt that they will) he will really tarnish his credibility (if there is any left to tarnish). If Boeing is late nothing will be gained by Leahy being able to say "I told you so."
As to 2007 being the "year of the A350" pardon me if I wait to see it before I believe it.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19602 times:
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Keesje - two things

1) If the Boeing COO goes on record as saying the 787 is on time, and it isn't, Boeing would face trouble from both thier shareholders and the SEC.

2) Leahy is a loud mouth. Do we need to drag out all his past comments about the Dreamliner? And the sales figures he promised for his 787-copy?


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19598 times:

Which suppliers could he be talking about? Which suppliers do Airbus and Boeing share?

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19565 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
1) If the Boeing COO goes on record as saying the 787 is on time, and it isn't, Boeing would face trouble from both thier shareholders and the SEC.

They will be as fine as the were after the corruption scandal with KC767.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
2) Leahy is a loud mouth.

Just as Randy. This is what salesman get paid for - big mouth.

[Edited 2007-03-13 15:07:03]

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19511 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 17):
Just as Randy. This is what salesman get paid for - big mouth.

Randy doesn't go saying crap like "The A350 is a dog and will be six months late."

Say what you will about either of them, but there is a distinction between their mannerisms.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19511 times:

Heck he probably took the comments made by that idiot research anaylst at Wachovia and recycled them and made them his own.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 15):
Do we need to drag out all his past comments about the Dreamliner? And the sales figures he promised for his 787-copy?

Yes we should!!!



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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19480 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):

So it's not Mr. Leahy who is predicting a delay but the suppliers, according to the article.

In any rate, it's not for him to say...that should come from Boeing or the suppliers themselves. Its just a way of him shifting his mudslinging from "I say" to "they said". Very poor taste in my opinion.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19419 times:

Seriously, instead of fighting over who is the bigger mouth, maybe it would be worth while analising what he actually said.

Quote:

Airbus' chief commercial officer and supersalesman said Monday he's hearing from suppliers that Boeing's 787 could be up to six months late. Though he'd prefer that didn't happen, he added.

Which suppliers is he talking about?


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19419 times:
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They will be as fine as the were after the corruption scandal with KC767.

Huh? What are you trying to say here?

If anything the 767 Tanker debacle has put Boeing in a much stronger position.


User currently offlineTak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19401 times:

Wow, Mr. Leahy showing why so many people on A. net really dislike him. I think he comes across as a cheap used car salesman. I love the "I've heard from boeing suppliers they may be 6 months late" and then immediately "oh but I'd prefer that did not happen". Right, sound familiar....

Used car salesman: hey man, how are you, I have the latest car for you. Only a few left (for delivery in 2014). And, I hear jimmy down the block (who has sold 500 or so) may have some trouble getting inventory in. Although, I wish Jimmy all the best luck getting inventory in to fill up all of his orders.

Think about it. It is actually a really cheap shot. Boeing has come out numerous times saying that they feel they are on schedule but Mr. Leahy feels he knows better about a 6 month delay. Not cool!!!

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
Could it be that Mr. Leahy is a bit better informed then just about any airliners.net member? I'd give at least some credibility to the man's predictions about their OWN products.

Manni, I think he is just trying to be a salesman. Of course he is going to say that this is the year for the A350. How dumb would he look if he said this will be the 787's year? I don't object to him saying that, I feel that is selling his product, which is fine.

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
So it's not Mr. Leahy who is predicting a delay but the suppliers, according to the article.

Do note that Mr.Leahy's own words were...

"In this particular case, misery doesn't love company," said Leahy, "We wish them well, to get an airplane out the door on time."

Manni, of course he is not going to say "I hope Boeing fails miserably and has the same experience we had with the A380. This is more of a subtle jab.

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
One reason for his confidence: Leahy said part of the $657 million set aside in the parent-company accounts last week for the A350 delays was to cover the difference in price between the original A350 and the latest version.

In other words, Airbus is paying much of the difference, and the airlines that ordered early are getting a great deal.

Manni, I agree that airbus will probably confirm a lot of their previous orders, and the available cash on hand will help a great deal. Do you think the 657 million is the total amount? I guess this would be included in any "sweet deals" for A330s. ie, if we sell you 5 A330s for 5 million less than normal discount that equals 25 million out of the compensation agreement? Just curious what everyone thinks about that. 657 million comes out to close to 6.5 million per airplane previously sold (657 million/ 102 airplane). Sounds like a decent amount of compensation. What is the difference in list prices between the old 350 and the XWB?

Also, this raises the issue of QR, who never signed for the old 350, but will probably want the same deal on compensation to sign on the dotted line for "up to 60 frames". I think QR will ultimately go with the XWB, but I think they will fight hard for deals along the lines of what finnair got, or even a bigger discount considering that they are committing to buy more frames. What do you guys think?


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19398 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 21):
Which suppliers is he talking about?

He doesn't even talk to the suppliers. I think he took the Wachovia's analyst comments and recycled them to generate further controversey. It will very well backfire on him.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19405 times:

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 20):
In any rate, it's not for him to say...that should come from Boeing or the suppliers themselves.

Indeed, it not for him to say that. But before we all start pointing our finger to Mr. Leahy we might ask ourself to what question did this serve as an answer?




Reporter: Do you have any knowledge about a possible delay in the 787 program?

Mr. Leahy: "Despite our extensive experience in delaying aircraft programs, we don't have any particular inside knowledge" about the 787 program, Leahy said. "But if you talk with suppliers, most people are talking about up to a six-month delay as a possibility."



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25 JAAlbert : I agree, last week Randy B took heat on a.net over his comment that the 767 was the second best selling widebody ever (which was a true statement). N
26 ATCGOD : His reply should have been: "I'm not in a position to say, I don't work for Boeing or any of their suppliers and for me to comment on that would be i
27 Post contains images Clickhappy : Well, I think we need to dig a bit deeper with his comments. What does he mean by a 6 month delay? 6 month delay on EIS? Seems like it would be too ea
28 EI321 : Randy sings the same tune, just does not sing as clearly. He deserved critisism, he compared how the entire 767 order book is something like three ti
29 Danny : I suggest that you check his archives. Plenty of direct comments on Airbus and its products.
30 ATCGOD : It's a spin for the numbers, you're right... Yep, absolutely. But not a shot at the Airbus product line in any way. Just spinning factual numbers.
31 Coa747 : Thanks I really needed that. It is comical and very sad that Airbus even in the midst of record losses and more losses for 2007 still has the gaul to
32 BoomBoom : He and Airbus lost all crdibility due to the A380 delays. Why don't you cite some for us?[Edited 2007-03-13 15:55:07]
33 EvilForce : I love that Mr. Leahy only needs to make a comment and all the Boeing hens start clucking and squawking. Too funny.
34 Kappel : I wonder if this is supposed to be about the a380, because at first he comments that he expects the a380 to have 200 orders this year, and the follow
35 Stitch : Yes, the "Boeing Boosters" have their knickers in a twist this week with John's comments, but no less so then the "Airbus Aficionados" did last week w
36 NYC777 : The real question is what Boeing suppliers are talking to Airbus about Boeing's products and schedules? If that were true (and I hardly think it's the
37 ATCGOD : First, I'm no Boeing booster. I try to look at things objectively...I think if you stand back and look at these comments you'd have the same opinion
38 Philb : Well your knowledge about who talks to whom in aviation is about as good as mine on today's weather on a planet in a star system 2200 million light y
39 Stratofortress : This is in reference to A350-XYZ*7.3^2 "It's no more tentative a program than the 787 is," Leahy said. This man is delusional!
40 Coa747 : I love the part in his interview where he talks about how Airbus is going to cover in large part the difference in cost between the old and new versio
41 Legoguy : I think the Boeing 787 will most certainly have delays. They are building a new aircraft using new techniques and problems are bound to pop up along t
42 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : He doesnt need to trash talk the 787 - its a total dog and Boeing know it. Hardly anyone has ordered it, the A330/50 is trouncing it in the orderbook,
43 Post contains images Lemurs : I take it the above paragraph is going to go into your curriculum vitæ/résumé once Mr. Leahy gets fired and you apply for the job? I'd hire you.
44 DrExotica : Classic. The Airbus boybanders seem to thrive on claiming that Boeing is no different from Airbus; e.g., - Leahy and Baesler both being sleazy PR dud
45 Ikramerica : Any joint supplier would be contractually obligated not to tell John Leahy anything about the 787 program. So if he's claiming multiple suppliers are
46 AndesSMF : Wow... Mr. Leahy needs to change his eating habits... Sounds like too many sour grapes for breakfast.
47 AirSpare : Has anyone here read the WB news letter? It was a ok piece of research. But it's months old now. Fair use excerpt: Two red flags from the call: 1.The
48 AirFrnt : Not really. I defy you to find a single large prediction that he was right about over the last three years. The 787 has squashed Airbus's competition
49 BlueSky1976 : Rule #1: Never listen to the salesman. Rule #2: See Rule #1. Both Baseler and Leahy are known for taking cheap shots at each other's products. It's s
50 Firennice : Some of the companies that sell major components are pushing themselves to make the first parts. They are 'late' based on the desired delivery times.
51 Ikramerica : If they secure a true 60 from QR in paris, and not 30+30 or something, then 200 by year end is pretty reasonable. Assuming they keep the 20 US orders
52 Post contains images Antdenatale : Guys, you really do need to chill out a bit, this is one interview, most of you have taken the comments way out of context and need to take a deep bre
53 Stitch : In the end, a short (30-60 day) delay to the 787 will not be a big deal to the airlines... ...but it will be a significant deal to airliners.net.
54 Flysherwood : Do you know why Airbus has the problems they have? Because the COO of the company is more worried about what the competition is doing than cleaning up
55 NYC777 : Actually the person I talked to within the 787 program says all the suppliers are caught up and the delays are behind them thanks to Boeing deploying
56 AirFrnt : Yep. Given that they already have 100 orders, and are basically paying (652 million) to keep those orders (which were already discounted) I would exp
57 Scbriml : You know this how? But you don't actually know. You suspect, or you think he doesn't. Maybe you should present this as your opinion rather than a fac
58 BoomBoom : In psychology this is called projection. Psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to
59 Post contains images Manni : I stand by my previous post. Mr. Leahy IS BETTER informed about the Airbus products then anyone on here. This despite the various points you raised i
60 BoomBoom : Ugh. You really shouldn't stereotype nationalities. Noel Foregeard was know for taking cheap shots too.[Edited 2007-03-13 17:52:06]
61 Post contains images Solnabo : How dare Mr Leahy make such un-american statements about the über superior Boeing 787!! He should be ashamed calling himself american.... Micke//  
62 Clickhappy : That's the best you can do Solnabo? I expected more from you! It is superior simply from the fact that the A350XXB hasn't even been launched yet, and
63 SixtySeven : Why would Leahy talk about Airbus? That would open up a can of worms that he'd likely want to avoid in an interview. He'd much rather speculate on the
64 XT6Wagon : There is only one 787 supplier Leahy should have any information about the progress of 787 parts.... Thats Airbus. So maybe what he is saying is that
65 Post contains links Bbobbo : I think you're trying to imply that the reporter was attempting to goad Leahy into making some statement about the 787. Well, that doesn't really mak
66 Post contains images Ikramerica : Could Airbus be dragging their heals intentionally on their few parts, and if so, would Boeing be able to replace them?
67 Scbriml : Why? He didn't say "The 787 is six months late", he said "But if you talk with suppliers, most people are talking about up to a six-month delay as a
68 XT6Wagon : Sure, just pull the contract from the company subbing it to Airbus for failure to perform. That said, Airbus can't afford to drop the ball, can you i
69 Philb : Not much experience of reporters trying to make a name for themselves have you? Rule 1 of today's journalism, print, sound or visual, "If you can mak
70 Osiris30 : Keep drinking the koolaid man. He presented the opinion of a third party to the press shameless with the express intent of causing fear, uncertainty
71 NYC777 : Leahy will do best to focus on Airbus' own troubles with delivering airplanes on time and within contractual specs rather than criticizing the competi
72 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Money talks, b.s. walks.....want some credibility?.....show me the money (orders)..... given he's aiming for 200 by year end..its going to be interest
73 EI321 : Is'nt it 200 total, ie including existing ones?
74 Osiris30 : What existing orders.. Finnair?? Or are you counting those old orders that are likely to be 50/50 conversions at best??
75 Stitch : I'm not sure launch orders really are all that "low margin" considering that their discounts seem to track with the standard discounts many current an
76 EI321 : Its no secret that none have canceled, or said they would. Where are you pulling '50/50 at best' from? Its been a year or more since airlines that or
77 DL021 : An effective salesman doesn't spend time trashtalking his competition, nor does he spread unsupported rumors about them. He talks about his own produ
78 Osiris30 : How do you know factually none have cancelled. At least one carrier just secured 787s which means their 350 order is likely to go bye-bye. The fact t
79 N328KF : There was no need to cancel. Introducing A350 Marks. V and VI voided the existing contracts, which were for Marks III and IV. You will notice how muc
80 NYC777 : The rumor is that ALAFCO is going to cancel their A350 order. The A350 order book stands at 13 airplanes (11 for Finnair and 2 for Pegasus Aviation L
81 EI321 : ALAFCO? A carrier? I dont, do you? What airlines have said they have canceled, will canceled, or done the obvious and ordered something else? Its lik
82 Post contains images EI321 : And where did this roumer originate?
83 Osiris30 : Sorry should have said customer. I don't. But I didn't make any definitive statements either. Merely suppositions: They haven't even finalized the de
84 NYC777 : All those pre-XWB orders can be thrown out the window. Each and every firmed up order has to be renogtiated from scratch. So far only one airline has
85 XT6Wagon : No but Airbus has publicly stated they WILL NOT be making the plane that these previous orders are for, that the contracts will have to be re-negotat
86 Rheinbote : That's factually wrong. I guess the supplier you have in mind is EADS Augsburg. They are providing the rear pressure bulkhead. On my scale, Mr. Leahy
87 EbbUK : I am so going to laugh at all the people shooting Leahy down if he's right on this one (you know who you are). I will still love Leahy if Boeing sort
88 NYC777 : And who's going to laugh when Boeing proves him wrong..Certainly not Leahy because he put himself out there and then he losses all credibility. Hell
89 Philb : In your opinion. You keep making statements with no substantiation, no references and your knowledge of how aircraft manufacturers' executives go abo
90 NYC777 : Actually you're wrong. When Airbus and the customers signed for the A350 pre-XWB they signed for a plane that does not exist anymore. Now that Airbus
91 ATCGOD : I personally don't care (or know) whether he's right or wrong. It's the fact that he's presenting information that isn't his to share in order to del
92 AirFrnt : Mr. Leahy is certainly better informed about Airbus products then we are. But frankly with people on this board who work for the various suppliers, e
93 Post contains images Clickhappy : I suspect that he is still trying to fight the Condit Boeing rather then the Boeing that exists now Truer words have never been spoken (typed!) at Ai
94 Post contains images Tak : I agree 100%. It's not cool and unprofessional. A lot of people on Anet were anoyed when predictions about A380 delays surfaced 1-2 years ago. The pr
95 JRDC930 : And all the airbus cheer leaders come out to defend their god Mr. Lehy. Where does this guy get off predicting other company's futures? This is why i
96 Khobar : But he wasn't quoting the opinions of suppliers - he was providing his interpretation of what he thought some suppliers might or might not have said.
97 ATCGOD : I don't think this is an A v B thread. There are some very good points coming out of this thread.
98 Post contains images Glideslope : An act of desperation, such as clawing the edge of a cliff before one is defeated by gravity. Excellent interpretation. But will the A crowd associat
99 Philb : I didn't attack you personally, I attacked your unsubstantiated and, from personal knowledge, wrong assumptions of whom Leahy speaks to. As to my edu
100 Post contains images BoomBoom : The fact that he's stayed with Airbus only shows he can't get a job anywhere else. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back...[Edited 2007-0
101 Bbobbo : Rule 1 of the rabid A.nutter: Be condescending and make sweeping over-generalizations to try to lend authority to what you're saying. Actually, Mr. L
102 AirFrnt : Leahy is a legend. He was a legend because he set the goal to get to 50% of the market. He got Airbus there. But Airbus has not been able to stay the
103 Pygmalion : current Boeing agreements include non-disclosure on technology, risk, schedule, cost and status of planes and their development and lots of other det
104 Post contains links and images HighFlyer9790 : "You'll clearly see 2007 as being the year of the A350," he said. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....html AAAAHHH drumroll please......no Of all
105 AndesSMF : If the 787 has a successful flight in 2007, you'll see more excitement over this than whatever the A350 proposes.
106 Post contains images Flysherwood : I wonder if he truly believes that he will have 200 orders for the A380. Doubt it. I believe he said his goal was to get 20 a year. Of course he has
107 Philb : ...and your first hand experience of dealing with airframe manufacturers and the world's media is....? It always amazes me how certain people here, w
108 Post contains images AndrewUber : Who gives a *rip* what John Leahy says? We can't even trust what he says about Airbus's delays. So for goodness sakes, he has no business talking abou
109 EWRCabincrew : Two words: Sour grapes. Seems like Leahy is all too unhappy with Airbus' performance and Boeing's good timing with the 787 production. Completely unde
110 Pygmalion : So Philb, Mr Leahy is so gullible that a reporter can gaod him into making silly statements in the press... And this is supposed to be an argument in
111 JRDC930 : Oh come on! Look at his history of mudslinging about boeing. i like Airbus aircraft, but my problem with lehy is not about being sucessful, its about
112 AirFrnt : One last point (I promise). It still will not surprise me if there is a one or two month delay at some point for the 787. The amount of new technology
113 Philb : Please show me where I say that he was goaded Careful, I majored in English and pick my words judiciously. Please also show where I make an argument
114 NYC777 : Uh huh, try pointing that accusing finger at yourself. You implied that the old A350 contracts don't need to be renegotiated in light of the relaunch
115 Philb : I don't think much of his attitude either, it's not one I'd employ or would have encouraged my employees to adopt but the fact is that he is very suc
116 Philb : Total C**P. I implied nothing. I stated that your statement about the contracts needing renegotiation from scratch was your opinion. That implied not
117 BoomBoom : Seems like you operate under a double standard here. You demand other's provide substantiation and references, but you don't do it yourself. No, peop
118 Philb : Not sure what you are driving at. I'm not making any definitive statements about contracts or anything else other than my own knowledge and experienc
119 Bbobbo : Look, you're trying to set up a straw man to knock down. Nowhere did I say that reporters will never try to goad interviewees in order to get a juicy
120 Philb : I think what I'm questioning is your motivation in that belief. BTW, sorry if you think I was ill mannered, that was not my intention. Cynicism born
121 Post contains images Spartanmjf : Surely, there is almost no credibility left in any Airbus prediction about any notion of on-time delivery or production schedules after Mr Leahy's co
122 ONTFlyer : Regardless of which side of the A vs. B fence you reside on, you have to admit that Leahy speaking about 787 delays is like the pot calling the kettle
123 EI321 : Why is this thread about Leahy, rather than the information that he is allegedly relaying. Look at the quote again (and its VERY carefully worded). Qu
124 Bbobbo : Apology accepted. My motivation in that belief is that he has often in the past taken the opportunity to buff up Airbus' planes by putting down Boein
125 Post contains images JRDC930 : Again likely as result of his attitude and a perceived european air of snobbery, no offense intended. I have looked at boeing statements, im not sayi
126 Bbobbo : Good idea! Any suppliers out there who can back up Leahy's rumors? *crickets chirping*
127 Post contains links BoomBoom : Carson says 787 will be on time http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2003616223_webcarson.html
128 Post contains images Osiris30 : Another shot to Leahy's credability.. but hey what's one more egg on the face.. I can't believe people on here attempt to defend him, ever.
129 Post contains images ER757 : & I usually try to stay out of these Avs B things, I have no partiality for one over the other. But this guy really should just STFU when it comes to
130 JRDC930 : Or rather his interpretation of it. No one put a gun to his head and told him to make comments about it. its not like this comment is out of genuine
131 SSTsomeday : It reminds me of how Airbus was offering to pay the difference for any additional fuel consuption for a newly purchased 340, as compared to the 777,
132 Post contains images AutoThrust : Airbus is in talks with Alenia for the A350XBW so they sure got some info. Thoug i dont believe what Leahy is saying, it amazes me how some people get
133 AirFrnt : That would be a (very mild) slapdown. One of the more interesting lines from the same article:
134 Ruscoe : Boeing executives will be making a formal presentation on 787 progress next Monday. So is Leahy correct and they are going to announce it, or will it
135 BoomBoom : Well, I can't imagine them announcing a delay, given what Scott Carson said in Post 127: Carson's assertion that the 787 is on schedule came the day
136 Coa747 : Paying customers to take your planes to keep them from defecting is a very unsound business practice and speaks volumes of the deficiencies of your pr
137 NYC777 : WEll Boeing said that their ecxecutives will be giving regular updates on the 787 twice aquarter. This is the 2nd update (the 1st update given in Jan
138 Post contains images DAYflyer : Leahy is going ot very sorry he made those types of comments after the 787 rolls out on time, under budget, and meeting or exceeding all performance t
139 Joni : What a long thread about a few short comments! Leahy must, or should, know what he's talking about so we shouldn't be surprised to hear of a few month
140 Post contains images Jacobin777 : want to bet....
141 NYC777 : I'll try to be the first one to start the Leahy-bashing when it's rolled out on time, flew on time and delivered on time.
142 BoomBoom : Why must Leahy know what he's talking about? He has a long history of being WRONG and having to eat his words. How could he know of delays at Boeing
143 Bbobbo : I haven't seen any vehement rejections in this thread of the possibility that the 787 might be late. The only one that comes close is DAYflyer's post
144 Khobar : Probably because it's always a possibility the plane will be late from zero to (fill in the blank) amount of time. Any number of things could happen.
145 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : And Boeing's comments will be available Monday, March 19, 10:00AM Eastern Time via webcast on www.boeing.com for everyone to have fresh tidbits to mu
146 Legoguy : Well it's looks as if Leahy actually knew what he was talking about when he said that he expects 200 orders for the a350XWB this year. Perhaps he knew
147 Post contains images Firennice : Yea i will say that. I supply KHI, MHI, Spirit, Boeing, Hawker de Havilland, Vought, Global Aero, Alenia and others. Do I believe it will be really l
148 Ikramerica : You wanna bet? If Alenia gave him ANY inside information on operations re: the 787, they would owe BILLIONS to Boeing in breach of contract penalties
149 Pygmalion : all of the 1-2 month minimum delay talk assumes that Boeing did not build slack in the schedule for delays. They always have in the past and they rese
150 NorCal : FYI Boeing is basing the the 787 production schedule off of a 5 day normal manufacturing work week. However they are working 7 days a week and nearly
151 Post contains images Jacobin777 : no matter how how you try mate, I'm sure there will be someone else in the front of the line....
152 Legoguy : Yes, 80 is quite a large order in one go. Perhaps they will order 80 A350XWB's over the lifespan of the A350
153 Rheinbote : You'd loose. According to Alenia, they are on schedule, though.[Edited 2007-03-15 11:11:52]
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