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TAP´s Fleet Plans: More A330, A350  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4150 posts, RR: 37
Posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

From Airline Business´ newest issue:

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TAP also has acquired five new A330s for delivery in 2007 and 2008. Pinto says these will be used to replace TAP’s five A310s but additional A330s could still be acquired.

The entire A330/A340 fleet will eventually be replaced by A350 XWBs, with A350-800s replacing A330s and larger A350-900s replacing A340s. Pinto expects to sign a formal contract later this year with Airbus for 12 firm A350 XWBs, plus three options “which in principal will be firmed pretty quickly”.



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Pinto is now negotiating to acquire three second-hand Airbus A330s, which will be delivered between June and December this year and expand TAP’s widebody fleet to 15 aircraft. The A330s may be used to launch flights to the Brazilian capital Brasilia, which would be TAP’s seventh destination in Brazil.



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TAP also is committed to acquiring four additional A320s over the next three years, which will expand its narrowbody fleet to about 40 aircraft. Pinto plans to keep Portugalia’s fleet of six Fokker 100s and eight Embraer ERJ-145s for at least two years, after which TAP will consider Fokker replacements.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...steady-growth-at-tap-portugal.html

Quite ambitious plans for TAP IMO. I wouldn´t be too surprised to have Lufthansa/TAP open up several additional routes to Germany and to increase frequency on FRA/MUC-LIS to have LIS become the South America gateway for Star Alliance from Europe. All in all good news for Airbus it seems.


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?


12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.

Ta, so it's a 1 for 1 swap. If this goes through and AB get the EI order then it will be a timely boost for the XWB programme - but what they really need is a biggie (QR, EK, LH, AF?)


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
Ta, so it's a 1 for 1 swap. If this goes through and AB get the EI order then it will be a timely boost for the XWB programme - but what they really need is a biggie (QR, EK, LH, AF?)

Yes, unlike the AY order, there's no new orders gained if TAP sticks with 12. The 3 options would be new.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

I don't find the plan ambitious at all. If anything it's too defensive, and here's why: By the end of this year TP's widebody fleet will total 15 A330/340 aircraft. But they have only 15 A350's on order. That makes no sense at all. That means they expect to have the same widebody fleet size 10 years down the road, as they have now. That's ridiculous. With increased pressure from LCCs, international medium/long haul is where the money is. They should have at least 15 firm + 5 options for the A350. Lets hope that's what they decide when they finally make it formal later in the year.

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Does anyone know how many A350 old version that they have on order?



Quoting Manni (Reply 2):
12. 8 A358s and 4 A359s.

Actually Tap Portugal has 10 A350 (original) 6x A358 + 4 A359 on firm order. They were rumoured to have converted two of it's five A350 options into firm although this was never confirmed.

If Tap does indeed convert it's A350 order into the A350XWB, then Airbus would be booking two additional orders.

It's interesting to note that Finnair also exercised two of it's A350 options.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
I don't find the plan ambitious at all. If anything it's too defensive, and here's why: By the end of this year TP's widebody fleet will total 15 A330/340 aircraft. But they have only 15 A350's on order. That makes no sense at all. That means they expect to have the same widebody fleet size 10 years down the road, as they have now. That's ridiculous. With increased pressure from LCCs, international medium/long haul is where the money is. They should have at least 15 firm + 5 options for the A350. Lets hope that's what they decide when they finally make it formal later in the year.

It may also be that Tap will opt for an A330/A350 fleet. Tap also has plenty of time to place additional order in the future especially as they will only be taking their A350XWB in 2015.

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Yes, unlike the AY order, there's no new orders gained if TAP sticks with 12. The 3 options would be new.

Like I mentioned before it's actually two new orders that Airbus will gain for the A350XWB.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
Actually Tap Portugal has 10 A350 (original) 6x A358 + 4 A359 on firm order. They were rumoured to have converted two of it's five A350 options into firm although this was never confirmed.



Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
Like I mentioned before it's actually two new orders that Airbus will gain for the A350XWB.

Thank you Wings.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
It may also be that Tap will opt for an A330/A350 fleet. Tap also has plenty of time to place additional order in the future especially as they will only be taking their A350XWB in 2015.

I'm sure as their A332 will be really new by 2015 (with almost 7 years of service), probably TP will keep some of them if they need to grow.

Wings do you have any new info on the new services and/or increases to Brazil ?

Felipe



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

I'm sure as their A332 will be really new by 2015 (with almost 7 years of service), probably TP will keep some of them if they need to grow.

Exactly LipeGIG. Considering the excellent maintenance practices that Tap Portugal have, I would expect those A332's to be retained up to 2020. (with some of them only 13 years old.) which is about the same age as Tap's A343's

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):

Wings do you have any new info on the new services and/or increases to Brazil ?

Hi Filipe, well nothing more then rumours. Maybe you will find the following quotes interesting.

16. Telemóveis a bordo no final de 2007
Já no final deste ano, os clientes da TAP poderão utilizar o telemóvel durante o voo. As comunicações serão controladas por uma antena no avião, um projecto internacional que ainda está a ser desenvolvido. As cadeiras da classe executiva também serão renovadas.


http://diarioeconomico.sapo.pt/edici...destaque/pt/desarrollo/749115.html

The use of Mobil phone onboard towards the end of 2007. It also mentions that new business seats will be introduced to it's fleet. I would expect that after the factory new A332's are delivered the remaining A332/A340 will also be upgraded.

Click on the link and it gives you an insight into Tap's plans for the future.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Já no final deste ano, os clientes da TAP poderão utilizar o telemóvel durante o voo.

Oh please please, no!!! Don't let it happen!!! Yes I know they were working on this and that one day or other this will be come inevitable and certain as death, but let me enjoy my silence... Mobile phones are a PLAGUE.



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Love the new TAP colours and think the XWB will look brilliant adorned in it!

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 11):
Oh please please, no!!! Don't let it happen!!! Yes I know they were working on this and that one day or other this will be come inevitable and certain as death, but let me enjoy my silence... Mobile phones are a PLAGUE.

Unfortunately, Europeans are absolutely adicted to their cell phones, so this doesn't surprise me one bit.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Pinto expects to sign a formal contract later this year with Airbus for 12 firm A350 XWBs, plus three options “which in principal will be firmed pretty quickly”.

The quickness probably depends on how much more TAP is willing to pay for the XWB over the A350 they originally bought. Airbus is lucky to have customers like TAP of AY that are sticking to the A350 despite all the issues with the plane.


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, Europeans are absolutely adicted to their cell phones, so this doesn't surprise me one bit.

This one isn't. I carry one because I need it but IMO one of the best things about flying is I can turn the damn thing off.

Allowing Natels in flight is one thing that would make me think twice about booking on an airline, I don't think I'd be alone.

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