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4 A340-500s To South African (ex TG)  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15714 times:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007.../14/business/business_30029238.php

So, any thoughts on what routes South African could use these 4 A340-500s on?

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User currently offlineNZ748 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15719 times:

This is very exciting news for SAA - it it's true.

My guess would be that they deploy these on the JNB - USA routes. The range of these aircraft would permit them to fly both ways non stop with almost full, if not full payload.

OR

if it were up to me I'd fly these A345's to SYD, MEL or AKL  Smile

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15648 times:

Like most articles discussing this airline as of late, this one features incredibly shoddy journalism.

Quote:
"I have recommended using the Boeing 777-200, which could operate long-haul routes. At the moment, THAI has no such aircraft, so there are plans to use the Boeing 777-200

TG operates both the 772A and 772ER. The only pax 772 version it does not currently operate is the 772LR; which seems to be the aircraft being discussed here.


Also, the consensus on this and other forums seems to be that the four unidentified 772LRs ordered quite recently were intended for Royal Brunei.... but would be exceedingly interesting if they turned out to be TG's, particularly considering this airline's past history with ETOPS.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15647 times:

Or non-stop to KIX or NGO from JNB.
It was a good dream though....


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6885 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15599 times:

Does this explain the rumoured sale of four SAA 747s to BA?

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15578 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Or non-stop to KIX or NGO from JNB.

Well, ANA is lending a hand, so probably no need.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15552 times:

Could they later fly these birds to ORD... or a'm I tired and not know what I talk of? Big grin


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User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15190 times:

I believe they will most likely replace the four 747s going to BA. You should expect to see these birds at LHR and other SA 747 routes.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15149 times:

Quoting Impacto (Reply 7):
I believe they will most likely replace the four 747s going to BA. You should expect to see these birds at LHR and other SA 747 routes.

The airline also has the option of pulling A346s off of N.American routes and having them replace their 747s instead--- assuming of course any of this is anything more than supposition of course.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15073 times:

ORD, ATL, IAH I would say.

Even the range of the A345 is a little too short for routes from JNB to the Western coast of the US.

Australia, South America and Europe can be done with A346 or A343.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15030 times:

Isn't it possible that they will replace the a342's on long routes? The a345 is larger and with more range, although heavier. Potentially more money making opportunities than with the a342?


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5311 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14962 times:

I think SAA would look to use A345's on North American routes first to replace the 346's, the 346's would then be put on the LHR route replacing the 744's, none of SAA's 346's have First Class, so could this be the end of First class for SAA? AKL I think is definatly another possible route for an SA A345, they have looked at extending the PER route, so far nothing has happened.

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14859 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
AKL I think is definatly another possible route for an SA A345

I think if done, it should be non stop. An AKL-JNB route would make money IMO, and also it would make money on people going to Europe who ant an African stopover.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6885 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14822 times:

If I am not mistaken, this would make SAA the first airline to operate all four versions of the A340.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14796 times:

Leaving any sense and logic by side, the 345 in SAA colors will be great!


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14782 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
If I am not mistaken, this would make SAA the first airline to operate all four versions of the A340.

That would be correct PM.

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User currently offlineParapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14658 times:

I think ZK- NBT is right. If I remember correctly the dash 600 had to do a "splash and dash" in the summer to the USA,which was not expected. These -500 aircraft would (I think) allow them to go anywhere in the states non stop and with a decent cargo.

As ZK states the 600 could go to LHR but also "down under". The fuel saving against 747-4-- would be huge and now is a good time to sell them when demand is high-it won't be in 2-3 years I wager. The savings in comonality having the "complete set" of 340's must also be attractive.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5311 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
I think if done, it should be non stop. An AKL-JNB route would make money IMO, and also it would make money on people going to Europe who ant an African stopover.

Yes indeed.

I just read on SAA.com that they are restructuring their route network over the next few months so I wonder if there will be any new destinations.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14621 times:

I would be very surprised if this were true. TG's JFK route would have to be doing disastroously for this to happen I think. Cant deny SA would make better use of the A345 than TG, but I dont know that they would dispose of the plane that quickly. Just cant see it.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14484 times:

Quoting Parapente (Reply 16):
I think ZK- NBT is right. If I remember correctly the dash 600 had to do a "splash and dash" in the summer to the USA,which was not expected. These -500 aircraft would (I think) allow them to go anywhere in the states non stop and with a decent cargo.

If you're pointing out the fact that SAA didn't fly the -600s nonstop to the US with that "splash and dash", then it was indeed fully expected. SAA Ops was fully aware of this fact before SAA ordered the aircraft.

SAA had the option of either going nonstop with restrictions or one-stop without; they chose the option which allowed them to make more money.



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User currently onlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14351 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
If I am not mistaken, this would make SAA the first airline to operate all four versions of the A340.

I'm not sure about the A343 though...



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14326 times:
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Quoting DALCE (Reply 20):
I'm not sure about the A343 though...

What about the 343?

If (IF) SAA get the 345 they will have 342, 343, 345, 346. That is all the variants as far as I know.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14288 times:
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I asked my wife to find out about this. She says she spoke to someone in flight performance engineering and this is the first they have heard of it. Ditto the 744s going to BA.


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14275 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 20):
I'm not sure about the A343 though...

SA has received in 2004-2005 six A340-313X. Three are on lease with Jet Airways at the moment, but should come back once 9W receives its own long-haul fleet.


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13972 times:

Quoting NZ748 (Reply 1):
if it were up to me I'd fly these A345's to SYD, MEL or AKL

I think MEL and SYD, with an NZ codeshare and onward feed from AKL, CHC and WLG to boot!


25 Gokmengs : I was hoping TK would get the TG 345's but, they might pursue AC 345's, if AC didn't make a deal on those birds already.
26 Post contains images Legoguy : Great news. And yes, SAA will now operate all the a340 variants! The a345 will look great in SAA livery Does anybody know how many a340's they will ha
27 OceansWorld : A grand total of 25 once all are in the fleet, unless some changes occur in the meantime. 6 -200s 6 -300s (once the three leased to 9W are back) 4 -5
28 Birdbrainz : I'd be astonished to see SAA A345's on LHR routes. Two reasons: It's "only" 6000 miles, which is easily achievable with the A346, and loads are typic
29 Post contains links Umhlanga : Whoa, whoa, whoa...SLOW DOWN!!! So far the only evidence to support these claims are: 1.) SAA's CEO said in December that the airline needs more wideb
30 1stfl94 : They could use the -500s to replace the -200s. Just a thought
31 LHStarAlliance : Oh yes , it will be the best looking 345 IMO I don´t think they´ll fly the 345 to Europe , it will be the US maybe with an extra tank (is it possib
32 ConcordeBoy : Were they? I recall heavy advertisement by Airbus on the A346's alleged ability to do the westbound eastern USA flights restricted and return relativ
33 Kappel : Indeed, like I said. IMHO that would be quite likely, increasing capacity (by perhaps adding 2 AC a345's, they could replace the a342's 1:1) without
34 LHStarAlliance : Well it could fly to ORD JNB-ORD 7541 NM the 345 has 8500 NM range ... also : IAH IAD Dallas ATL JFK etc...
35 United787 : ORD yes, if they can get their code sharing figured out with UA. ATL and IAH no, they are not Star Alliance hubs. Maybe IAD or New York...
36 CHRISBA777ER : My crystal ball says 777s for TK in the not-too distant future. I'm not convinced TG will be getting rid of the A345s anyway, and if anything, I woul
37 C680 : First route? Replace the A340-600 with a new (?) A340-500 on the existing JNB-IAD route. - SA already flies the route - It eliminates the fuel stop -
38 Mk777 : Will be nice to see an A345 at IAD, i don't think any other airline uses it at Dulles. Wonder what QR would use to IAD??
39 Thorben : Have they actually stopped serving ATL? Likely, the A345s would serve those routes better than the other A340 they currently are using.
40 Leskova : Yes, they were - and, yes, the person who told me worked for SAA Ops and was involved in the evaluation at the time.
41 CHRISBA777ER : 77W I would think.
42 Umhlanga : Yes. SAA joined Star Alliance in April 2006. In repsonse, they eliminated ATL flights, and increased IAD flights, at the end of June 2006. Best regar
43 Airliner777 : Hopefully SAA comes back to MIA again. It has been a while since last time they flew into South Florida. The A340-500 would be nice to see. Airliner77
44 FoxBravo : Not sure about Airbus, but I definitely remember advertisement by SAA to that effect. Press releases at the time they placed the order clearly indica
45 MCOflyer : I thought these were going to US. But SAA will find good use for these birds. MCOflyer
46 Mk777 : Will SAA ever fly to DEL, if yes, what A/C would they most likely to use?
47 Swissgabe : Maybe the same as BOM, a mix of 342/343?!
48 Birdbrainz : For what it's worth, I flew JFK-DKR-JNB, and the loads on the first leg were heavy. The second leg was like flying on a private jet. My wife just ret
49 Post contains images Umhlanga : Your experiences were exactly the opposite of what I experienced this past August, and what my mom experienced a year ago!
50 Airbazar : It's only 4 aircraft which translates into 2 destinations at most: IAD and JFK. Unless SAA wants to keep the JFK-DKR-JNB route in which case I'd expec
51 Speedbird128 : Operations and Planning knew full well of the range limitations, however the advertising people went ape and advertised the flights as non-stop. A mi
52 DavidkunzVIE : Soooo true....
53 Lufthansa747 : No offense to anybody, but... This is spot on! Any Thai newspaper might send TG's 744 fleet to Air Zimbabwe tomorrow and cancel BKK-LHR altogether, ju
54 Post contains images SA7700 : It is quite interesting to read about all the speculation... Should this rumor be true and SA acquire these birds with the intent to use them on retur
55 MAH4546 : I'll cross my fingers that this might lead to a return to MIA, but I won't hold my breathe for now.
56 FoxBravo : Agreed. If it is true, it could be a preemptive strike in anticipation of DL's acquisition of 772LRs. Although I have no idea if DL intends to use an
57 Fxmd11 : I agree here and do not really see this happening. The 4th 340-500 is on the way and starting 01 May 2007 JFK - BKK will be daily. There are also 8 x
58 Post contains images Keesje : 9000nm range from JNB
59 FoxBravo : That doesn't take into account the elevation at JNB, however, which imposes significant range restrictions on departing aircraft. Even the east coast
60 LH459 : Actually, all USA agents were just informed by the TG LAX sales office that "due to extenuating circumstances," the previously announced daily servic
61 Flyjetstar : I can't see this working. Who wants to take that route? Granted some will but enough to offer a regular service, I'm not so sure and the airfares are
62 DfwRevolution : Only the single A345 Thai has left on order will be an HGW variant with that capability. The other three A345 are not capable of 9,000 nm still-air r
63 Dutchjet : There are rumors that Thai's ULH services from BKK to JFK and LAX are losing a good amount of money, and didnt Thai recently announce that the ULH non
64 Airbazar : AKL-JNB-LHR for example is not that much different than any other 1-stop route. It's about 1000 miles longer which given favorable polar winds may ta
65 Flyjetstar : 2 segment path: 13196 mi AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) 211° (SW) 7575 mi JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) LHR (51°28'39
66 ZK-NBT : There is certainly a growing market for flights to South Africa, NZ could codeshare! Are you saying it is not a viable option to travel to Europe via
67 Flyjetstar : I don't doubt that there is a market to South Africa from NZ it's just I don't think a A345 non stop would work. I'm open to being proven wrong. Yep
68 ZK-NBT : AKL is quite well positioned to be a hub for Asia South America traffic. NZ will be keeping a close eye on this over the next little while. They have
69 CHRISBA777ER : TG have been on about doing a JNB route - first its on, then its off, then its on again - A346 or A333? I'd suggest the A345 would be fine on that ro
70 ZK-NBT : JNB started in October 2006, it is a 346 3x weekly! They need an aircraft with more Y seats on that route and less J same with AKL! I don't think the
71 CHRISBA777ER : No of course not - but that doesnt mean that cant be changed.
72 Post contains images SA7700 : Neither does the codeshare extend into South African domestic or Southern Africa regional destinations. It has been like this since the QF-SA codesha
73 Post contains links and images Solnabo : Didn´t check every reply in here but here´s a blog. http://iagblog.blogspot.com:80/2007/...irways-seems-to-blame-loss-on.html The blame game on Airb
74 Airbazar : The only problem is NZ will have an all twin-engine long-haul fleet which can't do AKL-S.America due to ETOPS restrictions so you will not see NZ in
75 EK413 : JNB-SYD would be a great mission for the A345 at SA but then again this would create a bit conflict with the QF063-QF064 codeshared flight... EK413
76 SA7700 : All the A340's in the SA fleet can fly JNB-SYD-JNB non-stop. They don't need the A345 for that mission. Rgds SA7700
77 ConcordeBoy : ...well, due to current ETOPS restrictions. However, should NZ choose to adopt recent conclusions regarding ETOPS/LROPS, that wouldn't be an issue fo
78 ZK-NBT : Absolutly! Ok, I wasn't aware that QF didn't codeshare to other South African cities, strange really. Yes it would be a risk for SA, maybe they can l
79 Post contains images SA7700 : I expect that SA would be keen to extend the PER flight to AKL. However, I think the cozy codeshare relationship with QF is bringing in good money an
80 9MMPD : What are the issues with TG and ETOPS?
81 Trex8 : they were suposed to have had sufficient engine problems on their fleet to get their etops operations limited .
82 Post contains images WAH64D : It won't need one to do ORD or East Coast. One stop to West Coast. It will undoubtedly be destined for the SA-US market. Any other SA route is a wast
83 Post contains images FlyDreamliner : It's only a matter of time until ETOPS 180 gives way to ETOPS 240... it'll be sooner than you think. Under ETOPS 240 South America is no problem for
84 WAH64D : A valid point but the A345 is quite a bit lighter than the A346 with not much less power. I think it would be true to say that hot and high condition
85 Post contains links Bkkair : Everyone is getting carried away with this sale to South African. TG (after removing the double daily schedule to the US from their website and Amadeu
86 FXMD11 : OK. Here the latest on this issue. It is Sunday noon and I just got back from the TG Cantine watching a bit Formula 1 during my lunch. Met a couple of
87 Willyj : I ran into a friend who works for a consultancy firm working with SAA. He confirmed that the 744's are on the way out, but he didn't seem to know anyt
88 SA7700 : Even if this rumor proves true, SA management is going to have a very hard time to make this fly. The accumulated loss in last year's balance sheet t
89 Post contains images BoogyJay : Shouldn't we count the sole A340-8000 ? I'm interesting in these rumours/thoughts. Could you point me to article(s) or thread about this subject? I d
90 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Numerous commanded and uncommanded inflight shutdowns on their 773As. Incorrect. TG chose to withdraw from ETOPS180 operations on their 773s, which i
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