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Fastest Travel Time Between New York And London  
User currently offlineEGGP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14840 times:

What would be the fastest travel time between New York and London (now Concorde has ceased flying), if say I was Prime Minister and had to travel back for a national emergency, I'd travel alone, without the entourage and comfort would not be an issue.

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

Im guessing 6-7 hours.

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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9381 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14785 times:

From what I understand he IS the national emergency! Big grin

With flights running like commuter trains on that city pair, taking usually less than 7 hours, he is save to take the next one out. A PM does not necessarly has to go through all that security BS, a helicopter takes hom direct from the city to the BA terminal, if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped, and the limo waits at LHR. If that's not comfort I don'tknow what comfort is.



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User currently offlineLaddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.

User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14633 times:

Fastest way of civil transportation would be to charter a Citation X, fastest civilian jet that is still in production. Just around 4hrs flight time.

[Edited 2007-03-14 16:32:08]

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14564 times:

Quoting Laddb (Reply 3):
I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.

Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.  Wink



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14524 times:

It seems that the cessna citation X is capable of doing NY-LHR but only with a limited capacity of passengers. Nevertheless I think with favorable winds, it could be made in 5 hours.


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User currently offlineLaddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14442 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.

Those are not flying anymore, are they? The OP means today I think.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped,

When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14361 times:

Fastest way between LHR and NYC by commercial aviation is by any carrier who is using a B-747, the old lady is still the fastest commercial a/c around if the ATC dweeds don't hold her down.

User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14303 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely?

While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14266 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 10):
While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.

But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14266 times:

Just flew VS 744 from EWR-LHR in about 6 hours, we had favorable winds during the flight

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9381 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):

When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?

Volunteers might offer their seats, depending what kind of national emergency is going on.

Yes, I did not explain in detail what I meant and I really see no reason why I should have. The question was, how quick the PM could return from NY to London. I am Executive Club Gold and have travelled BA First, I know the staff is very polite and would, in that case, ask for volunteers, giving the reason and all the excuses.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14217 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.

Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).

If Tony Blair needs a seat in BA First and the flight is full, then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).

Oh ok I understand. Sorry PanHAM just said 'bumped', so I assumed bumped up. Thanks for explanation.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14099 times:

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14):
then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.

In accordance with the regulation that would cost BA 75% of the F fare (GBP6000?), 75% of the J fare (GBP3500?), 75% of W (GBP1800) plus eur600 for bumping the Y pax. Cheaper to offload the F pax at eur600, but less customer friendly. Hopefully they would find a volunteer to avoid all the hassle.


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14031 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11):
But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class

Some of us will debate that. Even the worst most cramped seat in the cockpit would be a bump up from first for some of us here.  Big grin


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13915 times:

Fastest would be a F22 with SuperCruise (it can cruise at supersonic speeds w/o afterburner). An F-15 could do it supersonically too, but with more air-to-air refuelings.

Then next fastest would be VIP 747 with maximum throttle push and waving of 250kt speed limits.

Citation X could be faster, but AF1 or AF2 could be ready to go in the time it took to get to it - time wasted while looking for a Citation X. Other VIP A/C (What can a GV do?) would be close.

Otherwise just go to JFK and get on the next commercial flight.


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

Silverjet Newark - London Luton is 6hr 40min

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13763 times:

I flew Virgin Atlantic JFK-LHR in February 1997 on a 747-200 and made it in 5H15M.

User currently offlineSansVGs From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13720 times:

With any load at all the Citation X would have to make a stop in someplace like Gander. But sometimes a quick stop and .92 is still faster than pulling the sticks back to .77 for a non-stop like in the GIV.


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13522 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.

The SR-71 holds the speed record between New York and London, 1 hour 54 minutes 56 seconds. It also holds the record for London to Los Angeles, 3 hours 47 minutes 39 seconds. It will be many years before either of those records are broken. Additionally, all SR-71's have two seats.


User currently offlineNrcnyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13312 times:

hmm, if a government forces an airline to bump a pax, shouldn't that government pay for it? why put BA or any other airline in this position? A refunded ticket to pax is still less expensive than a chartered jet.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12967 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 12):
Just flew VS 744 from EWR-LHR in about 6 hours, we had favorable winds during the flight

That's not the fastest I've seen.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
I flew Virgin Atlantic JFK-LHR in February 1997 on a 747-200 and made it in 5H15M.

I recently flew KLM (772) JFK-AMS in just under 6 hours, so 5:15 doesn't seem so odd for this route. JFK-LHR is a bit shorter IIRC.



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25 PanHAM : The question was - "what if in the case of a national emergency" and how quick the PM could get back home. In that case, we are discussing less impor
26 B707Stu : Considering I was on a TW L1011 in 1980 that did it with 200 mph tail winds at 5 hours I'm sure, with favorable winds under 5 is possible today.
27 Norcal773 : Anybody got a picture of an SR-71? Can't find it in the database.
28 Post contains links and images ThePRGuy : View Large View MediumPhoto © Derek Ferguson Cheers Alex
29 Norcal773 : Sweet. Thanx mate.
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