EGGP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9979 times:
What would be the fastest travel time between New York and London (now Concorde has ceased flying), if say I was Prime Minister and had to travel back for a national emergency, I'd travel alone, without the entourage and comfort would not be an issue.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9922 times:
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9924 times:
From what I understand he IS the national emergency!
With flights running like commuter trains on that city pair, taking usually less than 7 hours, he is save to take the next one out. A PM does not necessarly has to go through all that security BS, a helicopter takes hom direct from the city to the BA terminal, if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped, and the limo waits at LHR. If that's not comfort I don'tknow what comfort is.
Laddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9919 times:
I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9703 times:
Quoting Laddb (Reply 3): I suppose a military aircraft flying Mach 2+ with lots of in air refuelings.
Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.
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LAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9663 times:
It seems that the cessna citation X is capable of doing NY-LHR but only with a limited capacity of passengers. Nevertheless I think with favorable winds, it could be made in 5 hours.
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Laddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9581 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.
Those are not flying anymore, are they? The OP means today I think.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9562 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2): if no F seat available, a passenger gets bumped,
When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5901 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9500 times:
Fastest way between LHR and NYC by commercial aviation is by any carrier who is using a B-747, the old lady is still the fastest commercial a/c around if the ATC dweeds don't hold her down.
ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9442 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8): When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely?
While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9405 times:
Quoting ANother (Reply 10): While this is likely what the airline in question would do - this would be more expensive than bumping him. Under the EC's Regulation involuntary down-grade requires a refund of 75% of the fare, while bumping would be a max of eur600.
But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3098 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9405 times:
Just flew VS 744 from EWR-LHR in about 6 hours, we had favorable winds during the flight
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9395 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
When you mean bumped, you mean bumped down surely? If the Prime Minister wanted to fly First Class at the last minute but they were all booked up, surely one of the First Class passengers would have to be put down to Business Class and be given a refund?
Volunteers might offer their seats, depending what kind of national emergency is going on.
Yes, I did not explain in detail what I meant and I really see no reason why I should have. The question was, how quick the PM could return from NY to London. I am Executive Club Gold and have travelled BA First, I know the staff is very polite and would, in that case, ask for volunteers, giving the reason and all the excuses.
LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9356 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 11): But you can't get bumped up any further than First Class!! If First Class is full, and then suddenly the Prime Minister needed to rush back to London from New York in a First Class seat, where would one of the First Class passengers get bumped up to? The cockpit??? Lol.
Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).
If Tony Blair needs a seat in BA First and the flight is full, then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9338 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14): Bumped off, as in 'involuntary denied-boarding', as opposed to 'bumped-up' (invol upgrade) or 'bumped down' (invol downgrade).
Oh ok I understand. Sorry PanHAM just said 'bumped', so I assumed bumped up. Thanks for explanation.
ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9238 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 14): then I guess the F passenger gets bumped down to Club World. Club gets bumped to World Traveller Plus, WTP gets bumped to World Traveller, WT gets denied boarding.
In accordance with the regulation that would cost BA 75% of the F fare (GBP6000?), 75% of the J fare (GBP3500?), 75% of W (GBP1800) plus eur600 for bumping the Y pax. Cheaper to offload the F pax at eur600, but less customer friendly. Hopefully they would find a volunteer to avoid all the hassle.
ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1179 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9054 times:
Fastest would be a F22 with SuperCruise (it can cruise at supersonic speeds w/o afterburner). An F-15 could do it supersonically too, but with more air-to-air refuelings.
Then next fastest would be VIP 747 with maximum throttle push and waving of 250kt speed limits.
Citation X could be faster, but AF1 or AF2 could be ready to go in the time it took to get to it - time wasted while looking for a Citation X. Other VIP A/C (What can a GV do?) would be close.
Otherwise just go to JFK and get on the next commercial flight.
SansVGs From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8859 times:
With any load at all the Citation X would have to make a stop in someplace like Gander. But sometimes a quick stop and .92 is still faster than pulling the sticks back to .77 for a non-stop like in the GIV.
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474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8661 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5): Or one twin-seat SR-71. One hop, and boy, is it fast.
The SR-71 holds the speed record between New York and London, 1 hour 54 minutes 56 seconds. It also holds the record for London to Los Angeles, 3 hours 47 minutes 39 seconds. It will be many years before either of those records are broken. Additionally, all SR-71's have two seats.
Nrcnyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8451 times:
hmm, if a government forces an airline to bump a pax, shouldn't that government pay for it? why put BA or any other airline in this position? A refunded ticket to pax is still less expensive than a chartered jet.
25 PanHAM: The question was - "what if in the case of a national emergency" and how quick the PM could get back home. In that case, we are discussing less impor
26 B707Stu: Considering I was on a TW L1011 in 1980 that did it with 200 mph tail winds at 5 hours I'm sure, with favorable winds under 5 is possible today.
27 Norcal773: Anybody got a picture of an SR-71? Can't find it in the database.
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