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Airlines With Foreign Born Flight & Cabin Crews  
User currently offline707atDc8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Hi there, I'm new to Airliners.Net !!, so I'm thinking this question has probably been asked before !! but here goes ..

Which airlines have the highest percentage of foreign born Flight and Cabin crews (not native to the airlines base country of operations) working for them ??, and is it as I suspect, only airlines with lot's of money !?!.. And that they tend to hire more English speaking Caucasian boys n girls than any other race ?!?!.. "Politically Incorrect" question I know, but it's an honest one.

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User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Emirates I think would be your No. 1 answer. They have, I believe the most international cabin and flight crew in the world and they are all based in Dubai.

User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Most the Middle Eastern carriers, EK, EY,QR, SV and GF hire a wide variety of crews, not just Westerners but also a lot from India and SE Asia.

User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

The Gulf based carriers, will indeed have the most non national employees.

With a little bit of research you will find the likes of EY, QR, EK hold recruitment days in Asia, Africa, South America, Australasia/Pacific, Europe, etc.

These airlines are restricted for male to female F/A ratio's. I remember reading somewhere that 70% had to be female - due to the fact that females in the Gulf nations are not allowed to work & the remaining 30% male recruits had to be home base heavy, though the fact that not many national males apply for f/a jobs mean they can recruit male f/a's from virtually any continent.

The Gulf based airlines also offer a tax free basic salary of around $24,000 a year plus living accom(shared). Which is very attractive to those that come from countries where that kind of wage is unobtainable to the general populace.


User currently offlineJDAirCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

Somewhat off topic, but still relative...

Most large international carriers, including USA legacy carriers, have at least one base over-seas that are made up of crews from that country.

eg: AA has a very large crew base at EZE. They crew almost all MIA-EZE, EZE-MVD, and mix with other base's crew on flights to other cities.



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User currently offline707atDc8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Thanks guys !!, kinda had an idea the talent would follow the money, and if there's one thing our friends in the Mid-East have, it's lot's of flat land for Airports and Cash to stock them with..

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

From reading a T/R here, FR seems to have a very international flight and cabin crew roster.

User currently offline707atDc8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Yeah LTU932, but I doubt very much if the money is the same, after all, part of the Come-on offered by the Mid-east guys is Tax-free / low tax on the income.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting 707atDc8 (Reply 7):
Yeah LTU932, but I doubt very much if the money is the same, after all, part of the Come-on offered by the Mid-east guys is Tax-free / low tax on the income.

True, but you didn't specify a region where airlines might hire foreign crew, so I my response was more general.

EDIT: I just now realised that you are the thread starter.

[Edited 2007-03-15 02:00:40]

User currently offline707atDc8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

You are correct in a general way LTU932 !! however i did say

Quoting 707atDc8 (Thread starter):



Quoting 707atDc8 (Thread starter):
and is it as I suspect, only airlines with lot's of money !?!..

and i just know there's way more money behind Mid-east operators, than there is behind FR....


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Quoting 707atDc8 (Reply 9):
and i just know there's way more money behind Mid-east operators, than there is behind FR....

I missed that. My apologies.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3501 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

Most CX pilots I have heard are British. My dad says it has to do with the previous British occupation/control of HK.


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User currently offline707atDc8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Thanks JAGflyer, that was another answer I was looking for, It's a funny thing, but I've noticed over the years, what Airline management know only to well, And it's that most passengers respond Very-well, to a very British accent coming from the Cockpit...

User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting 707atDc8 (Reply 12):
I've noticed over the years, what Airline management know only to well, And it's that most passengers respond Very-well, to a very British accent coming from the Cockpit...

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User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 11):
Most CX pilots I have heard are British. My dad says it has to do with the previous British occupation/control of HK.

It probably also has to do with the fact that the Swire Group (which owns CX) is headquartered in London.

Matt


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 11):
My dad says it has to do with the previous British occupation/control of HK.

Well, to be more accurate, Hong Kong was a Crown colony of the United Kingdom, and a fairly happy colony too.

Not only do the Hong Kong airlines draw on British pilots, it's also possible, I suppose, that some of those "British" accents might be from Australia or New Zealand as well. (And, let's not forget how many people born overseas study in Britain at some point and might have their English accented by their exposure to the U.K. that way).


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Singapore Airlines have a large amount of Malaysian and foreign tech crew and cabin crew.

Generally, airlines of small nations generally need to go overseas to find sufficient crew numbers. E.g. Air Pacific for tech crew and other South Pacific airlines.

[Edited 2007-03-15 11:43:08]

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3763 times:
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Japan also has a lot of foreign pilots. Not always for mainline operations, but for the many subsidiary airlines they have. They are provided to the airlines from crew leasing companies. JALways is almost 100% foreign pilots, with about 98% being from the U.S and having a pilot base at HNL. JALways flight attendants are also amost 100% Thai and are based at BKK. The ANA Group also has foreign pilots for many of their subsidary airlines. Some of the airlines include Air Nippon Network, Air Japan, Air Next, and Air Nippon.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

I've heard BA has american pilots. Is this true?

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User currently offlineBaron52ta From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
I've heard BA has american pilots. Is this true?


It is very true, mostly on T/A flights but there are a couple with DBA too but they fly on CAA/JAA licenses not FAA.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 4):
eg: AA has a very large crew base at EZE. They crew almost all MIA-EZE, EZE-MVD, and mix with other base's crew on flights to other cities.

Actually the South American AA flight attendant crews do not mix with the actual AA crews they are not members of the AA union APFA so there are contractual constraints on how they are utilized.

Emirates does not pay well compared to many American, Canadian, and Brittish carriers. People from those countries that chose to work for EK usually choose to go there for reasons other than compensation like the type of flying, adventure of living overseas and for the experience of working with a company that has a world class reputation. They do have probably the most foreign nationals though. Given my experience as a passenger on EK there is not a preference for Caucasians. Their crews are quite diverse.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 743 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 19):
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
I've heard BA has american pilots. Is this true?


It is very true, mostly on T/A flights but there are a couple with DBA too but they fly on CAA/JAA licenses not FAA.

There is a very small handful of North American pilots , however they will all be EU citizens (by family/marriage). There are no pilots that are specifically assigned to transtalantic, simply put, if a pilot is licenced on the 777 they fly everywhere the 777 does.....the schedules are not route restricted.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

OZ and KE have many non Korean Pilots

User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting JDAirCEO (Reply 4):
eg: AA has a very large crew base at EZE. They crew almost all MIA-EZE, EZE-MVD, and mix with other base's crew on flights to other cities.

We also have foriegn nationals based in BOG, LIM, and SCL.

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 20):
Actually the South American AA flight attendant crews do not mix with the actual AA crews they are not members of the AA union APFA so there are contractual constraints on how they are utilized.

That's true.



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User currently offlineMtsubshe From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

it could definetely be emirates, if you board an emirates flight, you could see at least 6-7crews from different countries,also they announce on the pa that they have crews speaking different languages.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 16):
Singapore Airlines have a large amount of Malaysian and foreign tech crew and cabin crew.

During the 70's and 80's, a lot of AI pilots and engineers were lured by SQ.....don't know how it is today.....

Currently, due to the aviation boom in India and the resulting shortage of pilots, a lot of foreign pilots are flying, mostly on contract, with Indian carriers....

AI had a policy of having at least one Japanese FA on their flights to NRT, right up to the 90's....don't know if they still do it....not flown on that route for a long time.... smile 


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