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L-1011: Why Retired So Soon?  
User currently offlineTristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15712 times:

I love the L-1011 tristar (as you can see from my username) and my question is why were they retired from service so soon being that DL retired theirs when they were only 20 something years (pretty average age for an aircraft) and with ATA retiring their last ones this year for some DC-10s (which are probably older) and then you have UPS retiring their 721s this year which are from the 60's and then NW still flying DC-9s that are from the 60's as well and then the 1011s didn't even get a chance at being freighters (and they would make a great one too) and they were very advance aircraft for their time and still have some advanced features that are still being used on new aircraft today even though supplies were very limited you can still find them so does anybody have an explanation as to why they were retired so soon???

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15709 times:

In short:
Maintenance-intensive, 3-man cockpit, too many engines, and most importantly, too high fuel consumption. As sturdy and sleek the Tristars were, they also were heavy fuel guzzlers, which was the main reason they were retired rather young.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

I believe the white sands casino in LAS has a pair of ex Saudia VIP a/c.

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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15696 times:

The L-1011 is a trijet, which is not as efficient as a twin. Efficiency is not the only issue with trijets, the third engine is more difficult for maintenance. For Delta, the 767-400 is a better aircraft. In addition to retiring their L-1011s, Delta has also retired their even younger MD-11s. The MD-11 was a nightmare for Delta, with high operating costs and frequent mechanical issues.

Also, remember that Lockheed is out of the commercial aviation industry, and parts for the L-1011 are now only available aftermarket, making them more difficult to come by. This is the reason why ATA is switching to the DC-10, as Boeing (who bought out McDonnell Douglas) still provides service for the DC-10.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15564 times:

Quoting Tristarfreak (Thread starter):
the 1011s didn't even get a chance at being freighters (and they would make a great one too)

There have been L1011s converted in to freighters.



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15483 times:

Also, the version of engine on a majority of the L-1011's (all except the -250 and -500 version) use a first generation model of the RB211 engine.

Apparantly is is very very difficult to get spare parts for this first generation version.

Perhaps someone else can add more details to this?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15440 times:

Well, ATA currently only operates the L-1011-500. But still, parts for the L-1011 family in general are becoming more and more difficult to come by, as Lockheed is out of the commercial aviation industry.


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User currently offlineIflyswa From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15431 times:

Quoting Tristarfreak (Thread starter):

Holy run-on sentence, man...

I loved the L1011, it was a beautiful peice of machinery to look at. I never had a chance to fly on one. I wish more had been built and that more were still around, but Lockheed's poor timing with initial rollout just weeks after the debut of the DC-10 in the early seventies sealed its fate. Even if it had been received by airlines and the public as the superior airplane that it was, September 11, 2001 and the recession and industry stagnation that followed would have done away with the L1011 just the same as it did the rest of the tri-jet fleet in the United States.

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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15318 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 2):
I believe the white sands casino in LAS has a pair of ex Saudia VIP a/c.

you should see them sittin out in front of the Las Vegas Air Terminal.......beautiful..drove past it yesterday...



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15320 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
as Lockheed is out of the commercial aviation industry.

Lockheed is still involved in the commercial industry, they continue provide product support for the L-1011, L-188, JetStar and all other out of production airframes.

Currently there are 38 L-1011's still operating with 25 of them being -500 models exactly 50% of the L-1011-500's produced.


User currently offlineAfricawings From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15312 times:
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What about re-engnging these things with more fuel efficint ones?

User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15269 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 5):
Apparantly is is very very difficult to get spare parts for this first generation version.

True, but even worse was a problem finding an overhaul shop. RR sold off all their tooling for Tristar model engines. Shops equiped for the task are far and few in between. Even some system components are hard to come by. Sure you could go out and buy a desert queen for the parts, but if you are facing a common problem with a specific component, chances are the desert queen part is not much better. Many years ago, I heard an operator had a problem with the flex fuel line feeding engine 2 aft of the bulkhead. The OEM still managed to have the drawings and tooling to fabricate, conditional that XX number of units were to be bought. Well, said company bought the req'd number since they had a few Tristars, and ended up replacing more. The rest of stock ended up getting sold off slowly as other companies needed them. And as a sole source (OEM not into stocking them) the original operator made some cash above and beyond what they spent initially.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15268 times:

Quoting Tristarfreak (Thread starter):
so does anybody have an explanation as to why they were retired so soon???

So soon.....??? 30 years is along time.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15221 times:

Well the original model came out in 1972 and the last L10 was built in 1984, so I am not in agreement that it was retired so soon.

User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15207 times:

Quoting Africawings (Reply 10):
What about re-engnging these things with more fuel efficint ones?

Not as easy as it sounds... not only do you have to consider the high cost of modern engines, you would probably have to deal with different weights and loadings on the wing, changing the fore-and-aft trim of the plane (thanks to the rear engine), adapting fuel and electrical systems, avionics, etc. Pretty soon you're talking real money.


User currently offlineTristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15146 times:

Quoting Iflyswa (Reply 7):
Holy run-on sentence, man...

Sorry about that I never was good about that type of stuff.

thanks to all the replies this helps some but I guess I'm still in denial about my favorite a/c having an untimely fate .(in my opinion).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15093 times:

Tristarfreak:
Man you missed out! Big grin
I flew on a Delta L-1011 (LAX-ATL) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Nineteen Eighty Niiiiiiiiiiine.  old 



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Quoting Iflyswa (Reply 7):
but Lockheed's poor timing with initial rollout just weeks after the debut of the DC-10 in the early seventies sealed its fate.

Not exactly. The reason the Tristar didn't roll out before the DC-10 can be placed squarely on Rolls Royce.

I got to fly on an L1011 once in 1998 SLC-CVG. Big aircraft, smooth flight, loved the sound of those engines. Big grin


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14993 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 17):
Not exactly. The reason the Tristar didn't roll out before the DC-10 can be placed squarely on Rolls Royce.

So why exactly did Lockheed put all their proverbial chickens in one basket, then? I suppose that was the thing to do with widebody projects then:

The 747-100 was all P&W JT9D
The DC-10 was all CF-6
The L-1011 was all RB.211

However, the -200 series 747 changed that  Wink

Weren't there some P&W powered DC-10 variants, too?



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14951 times:

The general rule of thumb for mainline commercial aircraft is that they are designed to be operated for 25 years. There is some give or take depending on the number of cycles, quality of maintenance and other usage factors. Cargo aircraft can operate for much longer since they make fewer flights and have fewer safety requirements.

The L-1011 was dropped a little faster than some other types as previously mentioned due to Lockheed exiting the business, but their lifespan was not really abnormally short, it is just that few companies are really dragging their lifespan out to the very end.


User currently offlineTristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14931 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):

I was able to fly on one via DL from SAN-OGG (the whole trip was GSO-ATL-SAN-OGG GSO ATL on the next best plane a 727) in 1996 and was possibily the best flight I have ever had


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

Why have so few Tristar's been converted into freighters when such a large amount of DC-10's are now freighters?


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Tristarfreak:
Man you missed out! Big grin
I flew on a Delta L-1011 (LAX-ATL) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in Nineteen Eighty Niiiiiiiiiiine. old

You think you're old?  Wink ... I flew on a DL L1011 LAX-ATL and on another a couple days after that, MCO-LAX... and that was in 1982... Big grin ... and I flew on yet another two of them, this time with LT, in 1986, that was DUS-LEI-DUS... and, yes, I am old enough to remember those flights quite well...  Smile

They were nice - but, to be honest, I still prefer the planes that are built today.



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User currently offlineBPS3458 From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 570 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14843 times:

Bit off the topic but believe my only flight on a L-1011 was sometime in 1987 or 88 flying DL from Frankfurt nonstop in to Dallas. Is my memory correct and did DL serve FRA - DFW nonstop with a L-1011 during that time ?

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User currently offlineTristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 21):
Why have so few Tristar's been converted into freighters when such a large amount of DC-10's are now freighters?

my point exactly could somebody kindly answer this question for us?????


25 OceansWorld : Yes, 42 in all. 22 for NW, all are dead now, and 20 for JL, most are parked in the desert, but 4 are with SU and one with JW as cargo aircraft. There
26 GQfluffy : Yup. As OceansWorld said, not very many. I think MD got preasured into making them because of NW and JL. Look below... I'd say that's probably the be
27 OceansWorld : Northwest wanted to have an all P & W powered fleet. But their DC-10 were at first of the series 20 (very short time) and became 40 when they learned
28 Legoguy : They have quite a good safety history with only 5 incidents.... 2 of which were actually crashes.
29 IFEMaster : I never flew in one, but I've sat in the cockpit of one. The RAF used to fly them quite frequently (perhaps they still do?), and they had one on displ
30 474218 : The reason behind only Rolls Royce engines was because a UK company called Air Holding was contracted to buy 30 TriStars (with 20 options). Under the
31 Post contains images Alibo5NGN : Tristarfreak I have flown in British Airways Tristars in the early 1980s. The last time I got to fly on a Tristar was in 1998 on a Delta Airlines shut
32 Warreng24 : The DC-10-40 are PW JT9D powered.
33 Tristarfreak : right but if it hadn't gone to the desert in the first place it wouldn't be in that kind of shape
34 Floridaflyboy : The way the center entine is designed is what I love about the L1011. Great plane. Definitely earned a spot on my all-time favorite aircraft list.
35 Cba : The DC-10-40, which was essentially a -30 model but with PW engines, was built specifically for JL and NW. Regarding the re-engining and modernizing
36 Tristarfreak : Yeah me too although there is something that stands out to me i just cant figure out what it is L1011 the best aircraft ever will always be my favori
37 Tristarfreak : dose anybody have a list of the tristars still flying???
38 Post contains links OceansWorld : This should give you an answer. Last updated March 2nd. Cheers. http://trijets.net/tristar/page/fleet.html
39 Post contains images Tristarfreak : thanks alot that is what i was looking for although it is very depressing to look at
40 Viscount724 : The L1011 was probably ahead of its time technically, but that also made it more maintenance-intensive in later years than, for example, the DC-10. Th
41 Post contains links 474218 : I think if you read the following web site, you will change your opinion about the L-1011 and its maintenance cost. www.texasair.net/New_Folder/econo
42 Tristarfreak : reading that site proves that the L1011 is one of the most advanced a/c's out there and also proves that it had much more life than what it was given
43 Viscount724 : " target=_blank>www.texasair.net/New_Folder/economics.htm But the facts speak for themselves. Why are so few L1011s still flying today compared to DC-
44 Tristarfreak : Right but the operating cost per hour for the both the L1011-1 and the L1011-500 is over $1,000 less than the DC-10-30 is it just me seeing that I st
45 GQfluffy : Yes. I too miss seeing the Tristar flying, but it just doesn't make economical sense. Sure, apparently you've figured out that it would cost less to
46 Tristarfreak : ive been able to find spare tristar parts allover the internet some in bulk
47 474218 : I really take offence to this statement, since I spent over 20 years in L-1011 Product Support. Lockheed's product support of the L-1011 was far supe
48 WesternA318 : I flew on my last L-1011 flight on a DL segment from SLC to LAX in 1999. I'd have to think twice about chartering from anyone with the name of "Texas
49 SCAT15F : I think the main obstacle to that would be engine #2 in the tail. MD had to redesign the tail cowling of the DC10/MD-11 to fit the larger fan of the
50 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Yup the BWIA (1940 -2006) Was the last first tier operation of the L1011 500s they retired the last one in Jan of 2003. The Lockheed L1011 Tristar wi
51 TrijetsRMissed : The principle factor is that Lockheed ended production far earlier than any of the other aircraft you mentioned. Parts have become scarce, MX costs ri
52 JeckPDX : I, too love the L-1011 and wish it had lived a longer service life with major carriers. In fact, United almost ordered the L-1011 over the DC-10 and t
53 B52murph : Maintenance, Maintenance, and more Maintenance! I've seen comments from former DL TriStar maintainers on this site that at the end of the service lif
54 Columba : The days of frequent L1011 and Dc 10 flights will sure be missed when most airlines in the US use the 787 as their main longhaul aircraft.
55 TrijetsRMissed : They have been missed greatly ever since the 767 became the main long haul aircraft.
56 Post contains images WesternA318 : Wow...when did FedEx get the 762??
57 TristarSteve : The original L1011 had RB211-22B engines, and later ones RB211-524B. These engines are very similar and to look at them you could not tell them apart
58 Bobski : I remember my only flight in a Tristar back in 2002. An RAF KC.1 up to Scotland to refuel some Tornados, Harriers and Sea Harriers. I'm assuming the m
59 ACdreamliner : only had one run on a tristar, GLA-MAN-YYZ with Air TransAt return on a '75. great hearing the roar of the rear engine shaking the cabin around...
60 TristarSteve : There was a problem on the Tristar in that the Nbr 2 engine is bolted to the airframe. Wing mounted engines are connected to the fuselage via pylons
61 Post contains images AeroWesty : Dang, I've got you both beat. TWA JFK-SFO June 1979.
62 Ord : This is completely not true. United evaluated both aircraft at the time and preferred the DC-10 from an engineering standpoint. Besides, a president
63 Post contains images Superfly : I know 1989 isn't that long ago and I was kind of joking as if it was. I am sure you can get parts on eBay.
64 Bcoz : My experience with the L-1011 started very late in her career, but I'll never forget those two flights. My first was in 1996 as DL295 from ATL to LAX
65 Oobitsa : Great thread! I loved the Tristar as a kid. My family used to fly IAD to CDG on TWA and it was Tristars all the time! In fact, it was my first plane (
66 Ferroviarius : According to a series of articles and webpages I have read or at least visually scanned, the L-1011 was technologically more advanced than the DC10, s
67 Trinxat : My first and only experience in a Tristar was a double one - I did fly it twice on the same trip with two different airlines. On 1983 my parents took
68 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : Yes it's a sad to see them go. My absolute favorite plane,it was my ride all around the middle east,and to Europe during the late 80's and early 90's
69 BHMNONREV : Uh uh... TWA STL-LAX May 1974... still eight across in economy...
70 Falstaff : I flew on a TWA L1011 in 1984,85,88,90, 91,and 92. Choice airplane. I wish I could have been on them more. Give me the classics anyday...
71 TZTriStar500 : I have not added any to this discussion so far because it is a bit tiresome to explain why the L-1011's time is very quickly coming to a close. For on
72 Post contains images Superfly : Same here! I just flew on one of the last 747-300s two weeks ago on Thai Airways. I'll post that trip report soon. I am still kicking myself in the a
73 Tristarfreak : I couldn't say it any better!!!
74 Falstaff : Back in the TWA L1011 era times were different. The shortest route I ever flew on an L1011 was ORD-STL in 1991. There are no more wide bodies on that
75 Tristarfreak : Right but had the big airlines never dumbed the bird in the first place there might still be people making parts for the a/c
76 Post contains links Tristarfreak : L-1011 A Tribute By Wings (by WINGS Oct 11 2006 in Civil Aviation) Many thanks for this beautiful tribute
77 Post contains images GQfluffy : Yes, but sadly airline CEOs can't keep aircraft just because they love the looks, the power, and the grace of that particular airplane. They made the
78 Typhaerion : This is probably an unfair statement to the rest of the industry. It has a lot to do with the advancement of technology over time. It isn't that the
79 Post contains images Superfly : Hate to laugh but damn, that is funny!
80 Osiris30 : While I appreciate your love for the ol' 1011, I think the fact that airlines choose not to operate it gives you all the proof you need that, in serv
81 GARUDAROD : I must really be getting old. I can remember being on one of the first PSA Mother Grinning Bird Flights from SAN to LAX. I must say that the L-1011 wa
82 Jetdeltamsy : L1011 production began in the late 60's. Ended sometime in the early 80's. They were old as the hills, utilized old technology, required a 3 person c
83 Turk223 : Ugh. I think I'm up there with the "geriatric airliners.netters"; first one was Eastern MIA-ATL August 1979. And I very clearly remember my father ar
84 N757KW : Yes, DL did operate nonstop FRA-DFW. I do not know how long. I flew on the flight DL23/30MAR87 FRA-DFW. I really miss the L-1011 in ATL. The looked s
85 SparkingWave : I believe that if Lockheed had been able to get the L1011 to the market first before Douglas with the DC-10, then it might have been more successful a
86 Dl_mech : Well said........
87 Falstaff : It sucked at the time, but it was funny looking back. I got a Republic T-shirt and Frisbee. I still have the Frisbee. I have an L1011 book and their
88 Superfly : Well I am not far behind you. My first flight that I can remember was on a North Central CV580 in 1976. I can also remember flying on an American Air
89 Getdonnie : Great thread you guys. Delta flew twice daily to Bermuda with L-1011s until about 1991 from Atlanta and Boston respectively. Would someone please advi
90 Positiverate : Don't forget that the BOS-BDA flight actually originated in BDL. It was a morning departure that went BDL-BOS-BDA, and returned. I had heard, and I m
91 TZTriStar500 : The -200 and -500 had it as standard equipment from delivery. It was offered as a Lockheed modification by SB 093-54-028 for all L-1011-1, -1-14, and
92 TristarSteve : What was that called? I recall the Frisbee fairing. We kidded one of our mechs that it moved and had an actuator. He never found it!, but spent a lot
93 AA777223 : I thought UA had a few L-1011s? Were they perhaps temporary or obtained in a merger?
94 Ord : Delta flew DFW-FRA nonstop from June 15, 1984 through November 30, 1995.
95 TZTriStar500 : Correct, I believe it was the nickname after the Lockheed engineer who designed it. Yes, they acquired some -500s from PA as part of the pacific rout
96 Positiverate : They also flew IAD-FRA and, oddly, CLE-DTW-LGW.
97 Post contains images B52murph : Oops...sorry. I'm not really familiar with FedEx's fleet, so I assumed it was a 762. Definitely wider than a 752, so I'm guessing A3XX? Looked like t
98 Post contains images SpruceMoose : There's a frame matching that description at VCV as of Monday (3/12/07). It's still got the Delta paint on the rudder, but the rest of the vertical s
99 Post contains images SpruceMoose : Ok, it's after 30 min, so I can't edit my previous post. These are the same photos, but at a more civilized size: -SpruceMoose
100 Hmmmm... : Very true, this is why the L-1011 has a future in commercial avaition. As soon as we catch up to its technology, we can put them back into service. I
101 Tristarfreak : wow I never thought I would get over 100 posts thanks a lot and keep them coming!!! Tristars Forever Very Funny!!!
102 EBJ1248650 : Probably for the same reasons given for the airplane not working well in general airline service: too few parts and not enough general logistical sup
103 Curticool : The Trijet Era Ended And No One Wanted The DC10,L1011,727,MD11 So They Just Disappeared
104 Jetstar : Lockheed still supports the L-188 because it is still in active military use as the P-3. Since Lockheed exited the civilian market they have reduced
105 United_Fan : I only flew on an L1011 twice,DL CVG-ZRH-CVG July 95. I remember the old style movie screens that hooked into the ceiling for the movie. I remember th
106 TZTriStar500 : I'll have to check the maintenance schedule, but I believe it will be 163 since it is getting a C check now at Victorville Aerospace. I do know that
107 Ferroviarius : Thank you for the clarification. The statements "...technologically advanced and is a complicated aircraft systemwise..." or "She's a beauty, but a t
108 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : I believe 6 of PA's 12 L1011-500s went to UA as part of the $425 million Pacific route purchase in 1986 (also all 11 PA 747SPs). UA only kept the -50
109 474218 : The Frisbee fairing was installed in production on all L-1011-500's and then all other models (-1, -100 and -200) starting with s/n 1169. Lloyd Frisb
110 TWA1011 : I've had the pleasure of flying on L-1011s of Eastern (BOS - EWR), Pan Am (JFK - SFO), TWA (BOS - EWR - LAX, BOS - ORD - BOS, and a 45 minute intro fl
111 Sampa737 : I think the TriStar is one cool aircraft. I flew one out of MEM-ATL in the 70s with DL. Then in the 80s sometime I flew from either Fort Lauderdale or
112 Belizexp : I flew from LGA to ATL many times on the L1011 I also did DFW - HNL -DFW back in the 90's that was some of the most wonderful times flying.
113 Yflyer : Is there any chance they'll sell tickets for the final flight? Or any flight for that matter, I don't care if it's the absolute last one. If so, I'll
114 Post contains links and images OceansWorld : N501PA 1176 02/86 05/88 N510PA 1194 02/86 07/88 N511PA 1195 02/86 04/89 N512PA 1197 02/86 05/89 N513PA 1208 02/86 05/88 N514PA 1210 02/86 05/88 And d
115 TZTriStar500 : I wish! They have not been operated in scheduled service for several years and the last revenue service will be on a regular charter flight likely wi
116 TrijetsRMissed : The other one went to LTU. They flew west coast trans-pacific routes but were replaced mainly by the DC-10-30s.
117 Milesrich : If the people at Delta hadn't had a fetish for the aircraft, they would have disappeared much sooner. The only US carriers to order the airplane were
118 TZTriStar500 : This is not exactly true. Airlines do not have fetishes for airplanes without an economic reason to keep them. Also, how can you be so quick to right
119 Tristarfreak : Not true if you didnt like the a/c you didnt have to reply
120 Post contains images Yflyer : Here's a crazy thought. If 200 of so a.netters all pooled our money, maybe we could charter one! I'm not being completely serious, though if someone
121 474218 : I think if you were to do a little checking, Delta's current economic ills started after they parked the L-1011's. The were cash generating machines
122 Tristarfreak : One of my other points I forgot to mention thank you for bringing that up
123 RJAF : Flew many times on RJ dash 500s back in the late 80s between AMM and LAX (with stops in VIE and ORD). I used to prefer them to the 747s. Anyone intere
124 Tristarfreak : That would be so cool
125 Post contains images Superfly : Air Rum? Now that is my kind of airline!
126 TrijetsRMissed : Haha, yeah sure... Not in signifcant numbers and then they picked up some more later anyway. EA was still the largest L-1011 operator in the late '80
127 Post contains images WesternA318 : Does anybody else miss this Big Bertha? And in SLC too!
128 Pictues : ik flew on them many times with Air Canada whenas a kid and also later when AC brought them back from the desert in the early-mid 90's
129 Post contains images AlecxiA319 : I believe my Grandparents flew on one, It was Delta, they flew a Boeing 752 from TPA-ATL, but then, they boarded on the L1011-Tristar from JFK-CDG. Th
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