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Delta To Go ATL-BOM Nonstop On March 16  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15084 times:
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Due to the anticipated weather problems in the Northeast U.S. on Friday March 16, DL16 which normally routes ATL-JFK-BOM will go nonstop instead from ATL to BOM, skipping the JFK stop. The return on March 18 is still scheduled to go BOM-JFK-ATL as the weather should be better on Sunday....ATL-BOM is 7,395 nm but given the favorable eastbound winds currently, it shouldn't be a problem. They need to get the plane over there as the return BOM-JFK on Sunday is quite oversold...

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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2084 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15036 times:

WOW! Thank God for the favorable winds. I guess nonrevs can forget about getting on this flight.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 14854 times:

Wow - excellent opportunity for DL to test the waters for a non-stop ATL-BOM Big grin!

However - what happens to the passengers ticketed to board at JFK? Do they get a free ride to ATL or do they get sent by the next available service?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14735 times:

ATL-BOM nonstop on 772, holy damn! Full power for the Jetstream then. How long would the flight time be for that flight, 17 hours or so?

User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14668 times:

I just hope DL got the right timings and wind speed and strength!!! Dont want to be on that flight deck when the wind shifts or drops and then the pilots are looking for a tech stop somewhere in the Middle East!!

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 4):
I just hope DL got the right timings and wind speed and strength!!! Dont want to be on that flight deck when the wind shifts or drops and then the pilots are looking for a tech stop somewhere in the Middle East!!

If the flight takes the most direct route, it shouldn't get anywhere close to the Middle East unless you count Pakistan.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Wonder how many pax were booked ATL-BOM.

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14570 times:

Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
7,395 nm

Reason why they have the 772LR coming their way  biggrin 



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User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14478 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
If the flight takes the most direct route, it shouldn't get anywhere close to the Middle East unless you count Pakistan.

Excuse me if im worng but wouldnt the direct route take it over Iran and onto into India?? So the flight will have to cross the Middle East at some point!!
Unless anybody can show me a map of the route!


User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14436 times:

Amazing. 2nd longest 772ER flight ever after SIN-LAX (when SQ had to once substitute the B772ER for an A345 gone tech).

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineMtsubshe From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14408 times:

i believe from atlanta ,it flies east towards spain, then cross the mediterranean sea, into jordan , to saudi arabia, to oman then to bombay, any way it will be a long flight,

User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14365 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 8):
Unless anybody can show me a map of the route!

Here's the great circle mapper map of the route. If it had to do a tech stop, it's going to be KEF, LED, or maybe SVO, but not DXB or MAD.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14335 times:

Quoting Mtsubshe (Reply 10):
i believe from atlanta ,it flies east towards spain, then cross the mediterranean sea, into jordan , to saudi arabia, to oman then to bombay, any way it will be a long flight,

That aircraft won't come anywhere near Spain, as that would be way out of the way.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14328 times:

Oh man, this is going to be one hell of a flight, favorable winds or not, DL should hope for minimal congestion at BOM.


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User currently offlineMtsubshe From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14296 times:

how about they take the same route as they fly to tel aviv from atlanta,then to jordan, to saudi, then oman ,to bombay

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

Quoting Mtsubshe (Reply 14):
how about they take the same route as they fly to tel aviv from atlanta,then to jordan, to saudi, then oman ,to bombay

That's hundreds of nm out of the way:



Northern route is ATL-BOM, southern route is ATL-TLV-AMM-RUH-MCT-BOM. There's no reason to take such a circuitous route, especially when the aircraft is already pushing endurance limits.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14234 times:

Quoting Mtsubshe (Reply 14):
how about they take the same route as they fly to tel aviv from atlanta,then to jordan, to saudi, then oman ,to bombay

Such a routing would add 400nm to the flight, not a good option.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14192 times:

If I'm not mistaken, 400nm more isn't that much considering the overall distance.

Let's not forget that if the winds are favorable it may be more on the proposed route that the most direct route as winds usually go around an emisphere, not via the top.

Average 80nm winds for 15hrs would still give you an added 1200nm range, wouldn't it? Minus the 400 that's still a full 800nm more. Not to mention the winds can be faster and the flight block longer.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13886 times:

Did DL's BOM-JFK flight come in this morning? Why not use that aircraft for the scheduled JFK-BOM flight and just cancel the JFK-ATL-JFK segments?

Are any other DL international flights cancelling? Very interesting.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13884 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 4):
! Dont want to be on that flight deck when the wind shifts or drops and then the pilots are looking for a tech stop somewhere in the Middle East!!

.....any particular reason ?



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13622 times:

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 11):
Here's the great circle mapper map of the route. If it had to do a tech stop, it's going to be KEF, LED, or maybe SVO, but not DXB or MAD.

The direct Great Circle route doesn't take the winds into account, which DL is counting on for the nonstop to work. The winds for today show the jet stream blowing across the Atlantic just south of Iceland and across Africa and the Middle East, which is south of the GCR.

http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif


User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12961 times:
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So, what are they doing with the passengers that were to go JFK-BOM? are they flying them to ATL or are they just screwed. I would think that JFK-BOM segment would make the majority of passengers, not the ATL-JFK-BOM passengers.


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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12909 times:
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Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 21):
So, what are they doing with the passengers that were to go JFK-BOM? are they flying them to ATL or are they just screwed. I would think that JFK-BOM segment would make the majority of passengers, not the ATL-JFK-BOM passengers.

Many, many flights out of JFK are cancelled today... snowstorm. Nonetheless, they need to get the plane to BOM for the return flight.

As for a tech stop, my bet is MAN... that seems to be where the westbound flights have been pulling in. Maybe nonstop... the flight should be relatively light without the JFK pax, luggage and cargo.


User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

quite likely will be a very empty flight going ATL-BOM. I imagine they pick up most traffic as O & D from JFK and those passengers weren't rerouted through ATL instead.

User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

Is this the route DL is planning to put the 77L on? that would be an easy route route for the 77L

And why did DL not purchase more 772ER's?

And would DL ever purchase the 773ER or just possibly wait for the 787-11?? in about 8 years or so??



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25 RL757PVD : I flew on the ATL-JFK portion of this flight before x-mas (connecting to PVD) and i was suprised at just how many people were continuing onward to BO
26 SLCUT2777 : This is just one more reason why DL's 777 order should include even more 772LRs, not to mention perhaps a 773ER or two.
27 RwSEA : All of these questions have been answered very recently on A.net - do a search and you'll find all the information you could ever want.
28 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : slight correction: that would've been the longest 772ER flight operated with commercial paying pax Both BA and MH's aircraft have bested that; with n
29 RDUDDJI : I think they'll be fine. Remember, they are leaving a good amount of pax behind at JFK. They should be able to put a ton of juice on that bad boy. Th
30 EWRCabincrew : Any DL people here to answer this: Thanks in advance.
31 N839MH : DL 17 arrived from BOM this morning in JFK @ 08:22 at the gate. Now 17 is out of the gate and headed for Atlanta...now showing off the ground yet!
32 RL757PVD : Actually it shows a delay in JFK for the ATL return flight, due into ATL just before 6pm (sched for around noon) My guess it they were able to caputur
33 EWRCabincrew : Thank you. Couldn't DL have sent that plane out tonight to BOM and save the inconvenience of those with no flight tonight? Just cancel the JFK-ATL-JF
34 UpperDeck79 : I'm 99 % sure they would pick HEL over LED...
35 AirMailer : That's a very good question, the only logical answer that I can guess at is that there must be more people in ATL trying to get to BOM than in JFK...
36 EWRCabincrew : I thought about that too, but our DEL flight is always full (based on that, I would suspect DL's BOM would follow suit), so I can only imagine a hand
37 Mandargb : Hi, If they can do ATL-BOM non-stop (8510 Mi) Why dont they do SFO-BOM non-stop (8406) on great circle mapper. Regards.
38 RL757PVD : see my above post... it was significantly delayed in JFK....i imagine some of the JFK-BOM pax were able to make the JFK-ATL flight then continue on t
39 Positiverate : Why would they? DL's presence in SFO, while not negligible, certainly doesn't warrant flying SFO-BOM. It makes far more sense to fly it out of a plac
40 DAL767400ER : Why should DL fly SFO-BOM?!?
41 Cba : Considering that the flight is already pushing the limits of the 772ER, 400nm extra is a hell of a lot of extra distance.
42 EWRCabincrew : I did. We must be missing each other. For the BOM-JFK-ATL connects, the JFK-ATL was delayed. What I mean is cancel the 777 service to ATL from JFK, l
43 WorldTraveler : No airline wants to have a plane sitting on the tarmac for hours waiting for takeoff clearance and deicing but you certainly don’t want it on a flig
44 Cba : Yeah, there's no way the westbound BOM-ATL could be done without a fuel stop (or severely reduced payload) by a 772ER, which is why they're flying vi
45 Thenoflyzone : My money's on a tech-stop in HEL of ARN !!! 7395nm, even with the tail winds, that's pushing it for a fully laden 772ER. Dont forget, that plane needs
46 Positiverate : ESPECIALLY in the shadow of what happened at JFK a few weeks ago with B6. DL also got bad press from keeping pax on the airplane at the gate with the
47 Mtsubshe : what is the departure time for this flight from atlanta to bombay, any one knows about it
48 RL757PVD : 1) Having flown DL 16 ATL-JFK id estimate 50% of the BOM pax were on the ATL leg to start 2) Any connecting pax from non-JFK cities can be re-routed
49 WorldTraveler : 9.50 pm dept. from ATL; 10.20 pm arrival in BOM; they are obviously trying to arrive close to their assigned slot time in BOM.
50 SunriseValley : From FlightAware, below is the route that DL16 flew from yesterday from JFK-BOM. I would expect today, ATL-BOM would not be too different. Perhaps som
51 Mtsubshe : looks like its only 14 hrs flight from atlanta to bombay
52 Mtsubshe : if it leaves atlanta at 950pm its 820am in india, it arrives in india at 1020 pm, which is 14 hrs
53 Post contains images Star_world : It seems like a lot of people are getting over-excited here. It's 386nm longer than the regularly scheduled EWR-HKG which operates perfectly well with
54 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Not really over-excited , it's what we do best here.
55 Jacobin777 : LAX-BOM would be an interesting DL route once they get their B777-200LR's....this is also a route nicely suited for the B787's... ....also, any carri
56 STJ : I don't know those winds are really cooking right now, last night they looked at holding NW 56 MSP-AMS for 39 connecting pax and they said an hour wo
57 B777ER : An update, the flight is now delayed until 2255hr local (0255Z).
58 PNQIAD : After the DST change it will be 7.20 am making it a 15 hr. flight....
59 Post contains images EA772LR : "LAX-BOM would be an interesting DL route once they get their B777-200LR's....this is also a route nicely suited for the B787's..." I would love to se
60 767Lover : While there is a substantial Indian presence in ATL (thank goodness because I LOVE Indian food) keep in mind there are a lot of connecting passengers
61 B777ER : Here is it boys and girls...the routing from ATL to BOM for DL 16 tonight: GREKI3 GREKI JUDDS MARTN TAFFY N165E VALIE NATX ELPIN UN563 MIMKU UN563 GOW
62 3201 : Before seeing the filed plan, my best guess given the current winds is that it would indeed fly substantially south of the GC route, and would actual
63 Mk777 : Can you please explain it to the ignorant me, all these terms etc etc?
64 3201 : Check again -- that's actually yesterday's route still. Clicking on the flight number still shows yesterday's, not today's. GREKI3 is a SID out of JF
65 DALOCCDtyDrctr : Looks like it's been cancelled... 03/15 19:11 Turn Time Alert Code Update - Code Update To Null 03/15 19:11 Actual LOF Sequence is # 0, FlightLeg Type
66 Awthompson : I was about to say that all of these route suggestions could be wrong and any one of them could be right. Great circle routes however really don't ha
67 DL Widget Head : ATL-BOM is still operating...ETD 2255 awaiting arr ship 7006 from LAX at 2057.
68 WorldTraveler : given how many transatlantic flights have been cancelled today due to NYC weather and because DL is operating this flight so late - it won't be ready
69 767Lover : Wouldn't it say 03/16?
70 Post contains images Gr8Circle : And now, may we have it in plain English.....? Thanks for the effort anyway....
71 DALOCCDtyDrctr : No I'm not, and have never claimed to be - to everybody else, sorry about that post - i didn't continue up through the flight history to see that they
72 B777ER : My bad, Here is tonights: UGAAA1 AHN J208 HPW J191 RBV JFK PUT TAFFY N165E VALIE NATV ERAKA NATV ETSOM UN581 VAXIT UP60 AMRAM UL983 VES UL983 ROE UL62
73 Super80 : I see that DL 17 JFK-ATL was cancelled today. So is DL using the same 777 to fly on DL 16 out from ATL? Currently on Delta website is showing "Boardin
74 Post contains images Awthompson : Although that is of couse DAL16 from JFK to BOM on the 15th March, that proportion of the route might not be far off the actual route used on our ATL
75 Alitalia744 : no, 7004 was originally sked. DL is 7006 instead (opping lax-atl-bom)
76 B777ER : For those that don't know how to read the above: Most 3 letter identifiers are VOR's for instance AHN is Athens, GA, RBV is Robinsville, NJ. The J an
77 Awthompson : JFK - no marks for guessing than one NATV - North Atlantic Track "Victor" (This depends on getting the track they have requested so all could still c
78 B777ER : I see now that DL152 (the 777 service to TLV from ATL) is now delayed with one site saying until 0200 local (2240L sked departure)! I know DL152 start
79 Dinya11 : Does anybody know if Dl 16 actually left atl?
80 Post contains links and images Super80 : Yeah ! DL 16 left already.. It is showing something like this
81 B777ER : Yes, wheels up 29 minutes ago. Its showing a flight time of 16hr 42min. Total of 8535nm. Sked to arrive at 1947GMT. Routing again is: UGAAA1 AHN J208
82 WorldTraveler : DL uses 2 full crews on this flight fom JFK.... they still aren't over 16 hrs so no need for add'l crew. The flight is intended to come back through J
83 EWRCabincrew : 4 pilots and the DL appropriate number of f/a. Our DEL flights are 4 pilots and 12 cabin crew (using CO as a comparative). 2 full crews sounds like 2
84 B777ER : Sked time aloft is 42 min past the 16hr mark.
85 DL Widget Head : Negative. Block to block is only estimated at 14hrs 3mins. The ship was off at 0303Z and is estimated to arr at 1706Z.
86 HnlBoi : Whats the rotation with a 12 man F/A crew that CO uses on the DEL flights. Sorry I think you might have explained that in a earlier post about the DE
87 EWRCabincrew : We just do the service, down time (time between services) two crew rest periods (4 on each break (3 breaks)), mid service, last crew break, final mea
88 Dinya11 : Thank you Super 80
89 3201 : TTY isn't a point, it represents additional lines of information -- filing is still on a pretty old communications protocol. I guess from this that F
90 Panamair : No, people forget that many people are making connections from other US cities (not NYC nor ATL). With DL's feed into ATL, they could pretty much rer
91 DAL767400ER : So, now that the Eagle, I mean Widget, has landed, can it be said that this was the longest nonstop scheduled flight DL has operated so far?
92 FoxBravo : I'm sure. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would guess that this was the longest-ever (in terms of distance) flight by a 777-200ER with paying
93 WorldTraveler : and since ATL-BOM is longer than ATL-JNB, this was probably the longest flight ATL has ever had by any airline. As for the 16 hr limit, DL received pe
94 EWRCabincrew : Currently, unitl CO's BOM flight is scheduled this fall. Westbound (BOM-EWR) is scheduled 16:15.
95 WorldTraveler : my statement is in the present tense and stands.
96 Gte439u : I just got back to CLE after taking the 18 March BOM-JFK flight, DL 17. I think that the exact fligth time was about 16:20, but I am not certain since
97 Panamair : Sorry don't have that info for now.... Interesting that they would have a block time 5 minutes shorter than DL's BOM-JFK (for the winter) even though
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