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B6 Cancels 215 Flights Due To Storm  
User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17642725/

Here we go again.


If you're going through hell, keep going
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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Thread starter):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17642725/

Here we go again.

Why is the focus always on B6? Theyre main hub is JFK, which is supposed to get a hell of a big storm today. Of course they are going to have to cancel flights! What about AA? DL? CO?

...sometimes I think people just post things because they arent fans of certain airlines...



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User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

Here we go again? If we didn't cancel, people would complain. We proactively cancel and people complain. Don't you have anything better to do than badmouth B6?

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9398 times:

The reason for the attention is B6's meltdown in the last big storm in the Northeast USA, combined with the media disaster that it became for them. They are not going to put themselves or their customers in that same problem again, with what could be nasty rain/sleet/ice/snow conditions through about noon Saturday at the airports they operate at in the NYC area. Of course, it screws up the plans of their customers, but better they are angry at home rather than at the airport in front of TV cameras. Yes, other airlines will be each cancelling many flights as well, but the big ones can better deal with such weather, can divert a/c's to other airports easier, and so on.

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
...sometimes I think people just post things because they arent fans of certain airlines...



Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 2):
Here we go again? If we didn't cancel, people would complain. We proactively cancel and people complain. Don't you have anything better to do than badmouth B6?

Woow, woow hold your sock buddy! Don't shoot the messenger. There's nothing out there saying AA or DL will cancel flights so what am I supposed to do, make up a link and start another thread? I wonder why yaal are so defensive, somebody was gonna post it sooner or later....and where exactly did I badmouth B6?  boggled 



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9387 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
Woow, woow hold your sock buddy! Don't shoot the messenger. There's nothing out there saying AA or DL will cancel flights so what am I supposed to do, make up a link and start another thread? I wonder why yaal are so defensive, somebody was gonna post it sooner or later....and where exactly did I badmouth B6?

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9366 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
What about AA? DL? CO?

Can't speak for AA or CO but the news here in ATL said DL was cancelling 100 or so flights today.

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
Why is the focus always on B6? Theyre main hub is JFK, which is supposed to get a hell of a big storm today.

The focus is on them because of the complete meltdown they had last month with the storm. Their reliance on JFK as the main hub hurts them since they have a tougher time recovering and don't have the ability to move passengers through other hubs as the larger airlines do.

Is the media focus overkill? Yeah, it probably is but given the reliance on one hub in a winter weather prone area it will continue to make the news.

Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 2):
If we didn't cancel, people would complain. We proactively cancel and people complain.

If you don't cancel folks get pissed because they get to the airport and can't get their blue chips. If you do cancel then folks get pissed because now they are at home without their blue chips. It's a lose-lose situation.



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User currently offlineJetJock22 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9339 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
If you don't cancel folks get pissed because they get to the airport and can't get their blue chips. If you do cancel then folks get pissed because now they are at home without their blue chips. It's a lose-lose situation.

Haha, thats great. Did you know that the Blue Chips are actually made from blue potatoes? There is no dye involved at all. I just hate cleaning them up because they blend in with the carpet on the 190's....


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

As for having one hub at JFK, you have to take the good with the bad. Sure, it looks lousy on an extremely bad weather day, but the rest of the year it's great to have access to that huge NYC O&D market.

Interesting to hear Delta execs say they wish they could buy B6 and get the kind of access to JFK that B6 enjoys.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8991 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
There's nothing out there saying AA or DL will cancel flights

Delta is cancelling around 200 flights....



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User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

To be honest, I do not think anyone that has posted in this forum is bashing B6. I am a big B6 supporter (used to work for them) and I was there during Feb's incident. It was said that they were going to do a better job at getting ahead of the oncoming storms by being proactive about cancelations. They are doing so in this instance by canceling ahead of time, contacting customers who have given them phone numbers (not everyone enters a number where they can always be reached) so they can be told and rescheduled, rebooked, or be given a refund or credit. The other thing I have noticed that B6 seems to do, when there is an issue like weather in one city, they tend to try to make up for it as soon as the weather clears up by adding extra sections or chartering bigger a/c. Lets take the Denver storm in Dec. as an example. There are only 3 flights a day out of DEN (2 to JFK and 1 to BOS). On the first day, flights were all canceled but the next day was slated to have 4 extra sections run to get everyone to and from Den. The second day, still no ops at DEN, so they decided to operate 8 extra sections the next day to make up for the previous two days. This time of year, they do have extra a/c in JFK used as "snowbirds" in case something like this happens to not affect the downline flights. All in all, I think they seem to be doing a better job the second time around, but we will have to see how quick they can get to full speed once the storm clears.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
There's nothing out there saying AA or DL will cancel flights so what am I supposed to do, make up a link and start another thread?

Well, there is another thread on the more general topic: Ice Storm In NYC Tomorrow? (by Mir Mar 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)

And DL is cancelling flights. Pretty much every airline that flies to the northeast is putting out advisories for it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAvionazul From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

ALL B6 FLIGHTS IN OR OUT OF JFK, LGA, EWR ARE CANCELLED AS OF 1120 LCL

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

SWA has cancelled most of the ISP flights for today as well....

User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

I'm in central NY right now. No snow yet. I'm crossing my fingers that whatever we get tonight and tomorrow isn't enough to cancel my NW flight tomorrow afternoon. (So far, NW's weather waiver doesn't cover tomorrow afternoon.)

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 10):
They are doing so in this instance by canceling ahead of time, contacting customers who have given them phone numbers (not everyone enters a number where they can always be reached) so they can be told and rescheduled, rebooked, or be given a refund or credit.

Do they email people? I'm flying with DL today (or not flying as the case may be), and when my flight got cancelled I got rebooked for Sunday, and not told about it. I don't know whether I gave them a phone number or not, but I know they have my email address, and I would have really been pissed if I had driven an hour and a half to MCO to find out that the flight had been cancelled and I had been rebooked for a different day.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8822 times:
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Another episode of B6 having to park planes to "reset" their system is going to cost them a lot more than passengers in the future.

I've seen nothing official about the number of flights that legacies are cancelling.


User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Thread starter):
Here we go again.

People love picking on B6. I guess it's no big deal that DL cancelled 200 flights also and both UA and CO cancelled flights.



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User currently offlineTristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

Not again Alert the media  Smile!!!

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Another episode of B6 having to park planes to "reset" their system is going to cost them a lot more than passengers in the future.

I've seen nothing official about the number of flights that legacies are cancelling.



Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
Why is the focus always on B6? Theyre main hub is JFK, which is supposed to get a hell of a big storm today. Of course they are going to have to cancel flights! What about AA? DL? CO?

Who cares about AA, DL or CO? They knew they might have to cancel some flights, so theyve alerted their pax, and rebooked them. They never went around saying it was a privilege for the pax to fly them, or think that blue tortilla chips and tv would pacify their pax.



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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Quoting Icebird757 (Reply 17):
People love picking on B6.

People love to pick on US, UA, AA, DL , and now B6. Its the nature of this forum. The only airline not really picked on is CO.



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User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Do they email people?

I am unsure if B6 reservations uses email for contacting customers if there is no phone number. They will access the reservation and call the number(s) listed, if no answer a message is left. I encountered many customers that came to the airport for their canceled flight and knowing that they were called I ask if they got a call. If they said no, I would check their reservation comments and sure enough they were called and I tell the customer they were called at such and such number and they would say that is my work number. I often would tell customers to put down a main contact number that they could always be reached at (a la a cell number) as well as enter another number where they were going (like a relative/friend picking them up).

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Another episode of B6 having to park planes to "reset" their system is going to cost them a lot more than passengers in the future.

So you are suggesting they try to operate flights in adverse conditions (don't know what is like right now back there, only have the forcasts to go on), put the customer's and crewmember's safety in jeopordy, and strand a/c and crews all over the country (ie. trying to fly to JFK from out stations and having to divert to another airport, the crew then timing out leaving an aircraft out of place without a legal crew)? I don't necessarly think this is going to cost them customers. It will upset customers that they cannot get to where they want to go today but they can understand if both the WX is bad and other carriers are not going either. Now if an a/c sat on the tarmac with customers again, then yes that would cost them customers, simply for the fact that they did not learn their lesson.
Bottom line in my opinion, they are doing what is best for the customer's and the company based upon the company values that is the foundation of JetBlue.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8542 times:
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Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 10):
To be honest, I do not think anyone that has posted in this forum is bashing B6. I am a big B6 supporter (used to work for them) and I was there during Feb's incident. It was said that they were going to do a better job at getting ahead of the oncoming storms by being proactive about cancelations. They are doing so in this instance by canceling ahead of time, contacting customers who have given them phone numbers (not everyone enters a number where they can always be reached) so they can be told and rescheduled, rebooked, or be given a refund or credit.



Quoting Icebird757 (Reply 17):

People love picking on B6. I guess it's no big deal that DL cancelled 200 flights also and both UA and CO cancelled flights.

Well -- I am usually a huge B6 fan -- but YES, I AM GOING TO BASH Jetblue right now ---

I was booked on B6 92 yesterday, the SLC-JFK red-eye. The plane was coming in from LGB and I figured it could get into JFK before the weather. They cancelled the flight at ~6pm local time! First they cancelled the inbound from LGB, then reinstated that leg. So a B6 plane with a full crew landed at SLC on-time and they would not send it on to JFK!!!

Meanwhile, I got myself a ticket on DL. Both DL AND CO's red-eyes went off and landed on-time!!! We landed at a business-as-usual JFK this morning -- few delays, relatively benign weather.

Also -- B6 did finally e-mail me about my cancellation at 8pm SLC time, but never called me (and my phone number is on my reservation confirmation).

B6 is running scared from bad weather. Who in their right mind would buy a ticket on B6 when they are so cancel-happy, while other airlines are running flights? Sure, all the airlines are cancelling flights today, but nowhere near the magnitude of B6. If they can't operate in this kind of weather, they shouldn't be in this business (let alone with a hub at JFK).

I was previously a huge supporter of B6, but I can't see myself booking them again when I know that DL, CO, or US offers a higher liklihood of getting me to my destination, albeit w/o TVs or leg-room.

Not to mention -- B6 has not fixed their customer service issues. All evening yesterday, you couldn't get a rep on the phone and they said "call back later" and hung up on you! And when I did get a B6 rep on the phone yesterday afternoon, they told me my flight was NOT cancelled, even though jetblue.com said it was cancelled. I even made her check with a supervisor, who confirmed the flight was "on time". How can the systems the reps are using not be as up to date as the web-site? So of course they couldn't help me change the flight, and then when I tried to call back, I got the "call back later" message.


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8529 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Another episode of B6 having to park planes to "reset" their system is going to cost them a lot more than passengers in the future.

That does not seem to be the case here. To avoid such a situation, jetBlue is being proactive in this case. This is actually what they should have done on Valentine's Day to avoid having passengers spend 8+ hours out on the ramp, which generated the lion's share of bad publicity for them. In reality, the ongoing shutdown of all E-190 routes (and almost 25% of their flights with them) for 5 days after the event, which was the real newsworthy story about that.

JetBlue will continue to get scrutiny every time there is an adverse weather event at JFK no matter how they respond to it, and they should expect that. They screwed the pooch in the extreme before and then their CEO went on every media outlet he could saying it would never happen again. When you make that sort of public pledge, you had better expect that there will be public scrutiny to see if you're living up to your word. I expect that the media will tire of this in time provided jetBlue doesn't do something stupid again.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 22):
Who in their right mind would buy a ticket on B6 when they are so cancel-happy, while other airlines are running flights?

Man oh man, B6 just can't win. Before, it was "they should of cancelled." Now they're "cancel-happy." Next thing you know, people will start complaining about how "crowded" the terminals are (because they're not pushing back loaded flights when they know there will be a big ground delay.)

I get the distinct impression that B6 could pay each pax $50 to fly them, and folks would still find something to complain about...

As far as other airlines flying in and landing in "benign" weather, looking at the forecasts, that's for each to decide. NWS forecasts are by no means Gospel, and had the other airines found conditions worse when they arrived in the area and diverted, we'd be hearing about how "screwed up" those airlines were.


25 EWRCabincrew : It's because it is strategic planning on the airlines part to keep crews, planes and minimal delays in check. Honestly, there should be no news about
26 Dartland : You never heard me say "the should have cancelled". I think their previous methodology worked just fine, they just needed to work out the kinks (e.g.
27 OPNLguy : I posted this in another thread, but it has great relevance here as well... One of the things I don't think people realize about this past winter seas
28 EWRCabincrew : ...but I just called home. My ____ says it's just cloudy, why the delays... (can you hear it now, or how many times have you heard that)
29 OPNLguy : I never said you (in particular) did, and my comment referred to the post-Valentine's Day stuff going around, some of which appears in this thread. A
30 Post contains images OPNLguy : If I had a buck for every time, I'd be retired and on the beach... Maybe all the flights could line up for final to their driveway...
31 LAXdude1023 : This is key. Having a hubs in cities like New York City and Chicago where in winter there can be tons of snow causing huge delays is the price for se
32 Post contains images FXramper : Exactly. Middle management realized this at legacies and moved around a/c and crews prior to weather. This wasn't the case for B6 in the past. Failur
33 InTheSky74 : Hmm where is the thread about USAirways cancelling over 410 flights for today so far? That is what th USA Today is reporting - yet, you don't see it b
34 FXramper : Opinions are relative. This thread is proof. US didn't hiccup and shut down operations for several days. The thread is about B6.
35 Cory6188 : My main comparison point through all of this is CO @ EWR, and sure, while they do have cancelled flights, many of them are still going out either del
36 Slider : Well, there is something to be said about their perceived 'chasing the needle' now with this incident. Yeah, me too! Preferably on a beach in SXM wat
37 DeltAirlines : Seems like all they are talking about on New York newsradio today is JetBlue - they're only talking about how they've cancelled over 200 flights and t
38 Post contains images B777ER : next.... All I can say is WOW. Your picture in the dictionary is posted next to "armchair (fill in the blank)". It would also say "see also, clueless
39 ERJ170 : So, will this make B6 consider building up anohter one of their focus cities? I know this isn't a normal event during the winter, but it's also not th
40 Post contains images Bond007 : Right now, CO (and only CO) has a ground stop into EWR. PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: MEDIUM REASON: OTHER / CUSTOMER REQUEST REMARKS: STOP COA FLIGHTS O
41 Mir : See, I'm the other way. My DL flight was cancelled in the wee hours of this morning (8pm departure tonight), but I wouldn't have a problem going out
42 Tu154 : The way the media is handling this reminds me of PEOPLExpress back in the 80's. When they first started flying the media loved them. Great airline, m
43 Post contains images Flybyguy : I figure this is all part of political retribution against a formerly stellar airline as it "falls from grace". People love stars, but people love st
44 Flight7E7 : UA has cncld all PHL services today, and AA isnt far behind. I was supposed to be PHL/LAX/TPE this evening, but not going to happen. However, since it
45 Post contains links Tu154 : The numbers are up to 400 cancellations and this article states that other airlines, AA, DL, etc cancelled 400+ flights combined. It also goes on to s
46 VEEREF : And you can bet that Virgin America and Skybus will also be the "darlings" of the industry until the novelty wears off. After that they will be nothin
47 Post contains images Cory6188 : Okay, well then I take back my original comment. Clearly, CO doesn't have their act together as much as I thought...
48 OPNLguy : SWA has cancelled over 300 flights to/from various NE airports, and the night isn't over yet...
49 BlueFlyer : Hehe, almost found myself in that exact situation. I found out this morning my inbound to EWR was canceled. I called CO, they tried their best to get
50 Positiverate : OPNL, just out of curiousity, when WN has an IROP of this magnitude, how long does it take on average to recalibrate the airline so it is back to nor
51 OPNLguy : Airplane-wise it won't take that long (a single fleet type is a big help here), but the bigger impact is on crew scheduling. Having multiple crew bas
52 B6sfinest : I dont think anyone that works for B6 should even waste your time replying to this thread. Theres to many B6 bashers here and most of them are ignoran
53 Afitch7881 : Here is a piece from the Hartford Courant about ops @ BDL today which is a airport that usually never closes down . "Between 60 and 70 arriving and de
54 MEACEDAR : My mom is suppose to come tomorrow from JFK-MCO on B6. Shes going to pissed when I tell her that her flight will probably be canceled.
55 Propilotjw : The original post was a link to an article. Not badmouthing at all. I think a lot of this has to do with the number of flights cancelled compared to
56 Positiverate : Thanks much. At WN, are the pilots and f/a's on the same plane for their entire rotation?
57 OPNLguy : We have about 3,300 a day, and today, about 400 have been cancelled. They were in the early days (1971-), but starting in about the mid-1980s they st
58 ADiZzy : Out of Boston JetBlue has still managed to get flights airborne while all other airlines have cancelled thier entire schedule for the evning and monri
59 ADiZzy : Also .......Logan is now CLOSED! Internationals have been diverting! VS 11 diverted to JFK AF 332 Diverted to Halifax to then take off...fly to Boston
60 JetBluefan1 : Why would she be pissed? If anything, she should be disappointed that the weather chose to be such a bitch. Today I was walking in the city and found
61 OPNLguy : Weather-wise, the snow should end at JFK around 6:00am local time.. AMD KJFK 170228Z 170224 02020G30KT 4SM -FZRAPL BR BKN007 OVC010 TEMPO 0204 3SM -S
62 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : My mom was supposed to fly from EWR to CMH at 3PM today. She tried to call to find out what was going on with her flight (It was cancelled) and the a
63 Post contains images OPNLguy : BWI was in the same shape Friday afternoon/evening, and the main driver for the delays was the precise type of frozen precip that was falling at any
64 PWM2TXLHopper : Several flight were sent up to Maine. To PWM: B6 1294 PIT-BOS -E190 diverts to PWM B6 1264 AUS-BOS-E190 diverts to PWM B6 482 LGB-BOS-A320 And at BGR:
65 Post contains links Dinya11 : U.S. airlines cancel more than 2,000 flights . Can not blame anybody. Mother Nature Delta Air Lines canceled 600 flights, most in the New York area an
66 Coa747 : When you have a meltdown the scale of jetBlue's the last go round you are going to be heavily scrutinized by the media and everyone else. Just the nat
67 AJMIA : I think B6 has done the right thing to proactively cancel their flights. In the long run it will probably allow them to ramp up to full service faster
68 Post contains images JETBLUEATASW : ah people gonna complain about JetBlue, but in the end of the day, JetBlue aint going n e where After all, the other airlines flying in wind speeds of
69 Post contains images JETBLUEATASW : ah people gonna complain about JetBlue, but in the end of the day, JetBlue aint going n e where After all, the other airlines flying in wind speeds of
70 Norcal773 : Huuh? C'mon now, don't be soo naive to think that's the reason they cancelled the flights.
71 Post contains images Cory6188 : As a quick aside, it'd be nice if you used some correct punctuation and spelling.....it's the standard here on a.net, and you'll automatically lose r
72 JetBluefan1 : Today JetBlue is operating over 90% of its flights, though just about everything is operating late. Hey, this is certainly much better than the day af
73 OPNLguy : Airline aircraft fly in winds that can run as high as 200 knots, if you catch the jetstream just right. Now, if it''s CROSSwinds you're talking about
74 Post contains images OPNLguy : SWA has also recovered well, with only about 14 cancelled today so far. Almost all of those were originating flights at places where the aircraft cou
75 ADiZzy : Will they get ANY good press for that? I DOUBT IT! Thats the problem with the media and the traveling public![Edited 2007-03-17 18:06:31]
76 Jacobin777 : the media are great on the way "up", but the same media are bad on the way "down"...that's just how things happen..especially in the New York metropo
77 Indy : After reading more horror stories about passengers being held captive (yes that is what it amounts to) for hours on end on jets at JFK it seems the un
78 OPNLguy : With all due respect, the reality is that this isn't going to happen, nor is it a good idea, nor is it going to solve anything. The flights in the ai
79 Post contains images TPAnx : Wire service stories tell of passengers on planes for nine hours on the "tarmac" at JFK..pilot blaming problems with deicing..including a lack of deic
80 Indy : Patience is 2 hours. 9 hours is false imprisonment. That would by the way be my defense in any criminal case. Interfering with a flight crew might be
81 Post contains links TPAnx : This is what will probably be in your Sunday paper: http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...8&cat=news&st=newsd8nubeo01&src=ap TPAnx
82 OPNLguy : Yes, it is, but you previously said that 2 hours is a requirement. In any event, it doesn't change the scenario I gave you where there are creeping A
83 Indy : When is it ever for 9 hours? And if it was that bad you could pull into the emergency land and get out of your car and walk if you wanted without bei
84 Mir : So it's ATC's fault that there are no available gates? Sure, people could do that. But they won't, for the most part, because they'd rather have chea
85 Mariner : So the passengers - who pay all of an airline's bills - just take all the crap, shrug and say, oh, well, the airline is doing its best? But - in the
86 OPNLguy : None of what I wrote should have been construed as acceptance of a lengthy delay like the jetBlue folks endured. I'd mentioned that in previous threa
87 Indy : My huge issue is this idea that the airline had no idea that this delay could somehow be extremely lengthy. I can't imagine them having absolutely no
88 Mariner : I could be wrong here, but in the case of the original JetBlue meltdown, did they not eventually call for buses, which were available? ??? mariner
89 OPNLguy : I have no idea. Maybe the jetBlue VP can tackle that one...
90 Post contains images Mariner : Funny. That's funny. cheers mariner
91 Mir : Yeah, but one person's emergency is completely different from unloading an entire plane away from the gate. Well, when the weather is going from free
92 OPNLguy : I've explained this aspect of the problem (that's new for this past season) several times now, but people just don't seem to get it.
93 Itsnotfinals : A net does have a fair number of people that only want to think their reality is correct when it comes to airline OPS. Since most everyone knows you
94 Post contains links OPNLguy : The media seems to have caught on (2nd paragraph)..... http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070318/D8NU8VAG0.html
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