UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8575 times:
The only-in-Finnish press release today from Finnair announced something we could already predict from the online schedules: the two brand new A340-300Es arriving in May and June will fly separately from the ex-VS OH-LQA.
So, OH-LQA will alone fly the 4/5-weekly BOM route and the two new birds will take NRT, NGO and PVG. Although on Saturdays, when all of those three flights operate, the ex-VS bird or a MD-11 will take over the NGO flight.
On a separate note, MTV3 News yesterday had Finnair hinting that they want to open 2nd daily flights to both PEK and PVG. Of course, there aren't enough a/c at the moment, but this would be interesting developement later on...
EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8516 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 203): I was wondering if there were any way that I could get AY to interline my baggage to the EI flight?
The way that I have understood the new policy is that if flights of a different carrier are booked on the same ticket, baggage should be checked to the final destination. If you buy the EI tickets separately, it won't be interlined to SNN (if EI's leaving of Oneworld will have affected the policy then already).
Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 1): On a separate note, MTV3 News yesterday had Finnair hinting that they want to open 2nd daily flights to both PEK and PVG. Of course, there aren't enough a/c at the moment, but this would be interesting development later on...
Surely they are looking at the possibilities, I'm not denying that, but the whole story was done by MTV3's China correspondent, and he made also a story about it to today's Kauppalehti. Considering that he claims there that AF doesn't fly to PVG and such airlines as Al Italia, Austria Airlines and Puolkovo exist (little things I know) would indicate that he really doesn't know very much about the whole thing.
But I can surely see a second daily PEK though, could they fit it nicely to depart at the 2pm bank and arrive at the 6-7am bank?
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Vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1081 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8518 times:
Hey,
I have a rather ignorant question. Is there really that much demand from Helsinki to Asia? I'm very surprised Finnair doesn't fly to Montreal, Chicago, etc. I've been HEL twice already and I think it's a super cool airport and Finnair is a great airline, but...
How many scheduled North American destinations does it have?
New York
SF
Toronto (and that's only seasonal)
Where else does it fly (scheduled?)
Thanks
Vio
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EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8514 times:
Quoting Vio (Reply 4): Is there really that much demand from Helsinki to Asia?
No. Only route to Asia that could survive only with O/D traffic is BKK. The Asia expansion is based on feed from/to a great number of destinations in Europe.
Quoting Vio (Reply 4): How many scheduled North American destinations does it have?
JFK is the only year-round scheduled destination in North America. From there AY code-shares with AA to a number of destinations. However, there are seasonal charter flights in summer to YYZ and BOS. There have also been some rumours about winter MIA charters being restarted, but that's nothing confirmed.
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Vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1081 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8512 times:
Oh, kiitos EFHK.
I have to say that HEL is probably MY fav. airport now. I've been to a lot of them but Vantaa offers everything a traveller could want and it's all within easy reach. I can understand why it would be a good transit airport. I hope to go there again. Maybe this summer. I never had a chance to spot there.
By the way, did Finnair introduce service to Bucharest? I thought I might've heard a rumor about that.
Moi moi
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EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8508 times:
I've just looked through AY's updated schedules (damn this Australian GP ) and there's some development:
- Most of Bucharest flights have been changed from E90 to E70
- New GVA morning flight will be daily
- ZRH evening flight will be E90 on weekdays starting from 26Mar
- On Mon, Tue and Sat when there is now only a morning flight to VIE, a new evening flight will be started using E90 starting from 29Oct.
There are also some charter flights at least to Heraklion, Malta and Malaga using M83 as equipment, maybe it'll be one of LF's?
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Vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1081 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8505 times:
Quoting EFHK (Reply 8): Yes, it will be started on 10th of April.
That's really cool. There's a good chance I'll move to Romania in the summer and I have lots of friends in Finland. It's great that they have direct service to OTP, but I'll probably move to Timisoara and BUD is much closer. I know AY flies there and has been flying there for quite a while now.
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LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
Quoting Vio (Reply 4): I'm very surprised Finnair doesn't fly to Montreal, Chicago, etc
Terve Vio!
And thanks for your fantastic trip reports - I felt some 30 years younger reading them remembering my studying days in Turku.
Finnair has flown to Montreal. Their JFK flight with DC10s on 1970s had a stop there. And AA was planning a direct ORD-HEL flight in the beginning of 1990s but it never became true. I guess the Transatlantic routes are so heavily trafficked that there is no way Finnair will add anything there now. Asia is their strategy.
And thanks for your fantastic trip reports - I felt some 30 years younger reading them remembering my studying days in Turku.
Kiitos LordHowe. I'm really happy that you enjoyed my reports! I had so much fun writing them, but even more fun actually being there And since we're on a Finnish aviation thread, I have to say that I am SOOOO impressed with Blue1. They're such a great airline!!! I'd fly them anyday. Are they planning to expand at all?
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LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8468 times:
Quoting Vio (Reply 11): Are they planning to expand at all?
They got three "new" (ex SK) MD90s last year and have been expanding quite heavily. I don't think there will be any expansion in near future. I don't think it is so much greater airline, but a very nice one. It must have been the female co-pilot who made you SOOOO impressed ...
UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8462 times:
Quoting EFHK (Reply 3): Surely they are looking at the possibilities, I'm not denying that, but the whole story was done by MTV3's China correspondent, and he made also a story about it to today's Kauppalehti. Considering that he claims there that AF doesn't fly to PVG and such airlines as Al Italia, Austria Airlines and Puolkovo exist (little things I know) would indicate that he really doesn't know very much about the whole thing.
Lol, that's quite funny. You are right, it might have been the correspondent's own dreams.
Quoting EFHK (Reply 3): But I can surely see a second daily PEK though, could they fit it nicely to depart at the 2pm bank and arrive at the 6-7am bank?
That would mean arrival to PEK at 3 a.m. and departure at 5 a.m. Who would want that?
For Delhi fights the weird arrival and departure times can be justified with a reason: the fog.
To PVG it could work like this, though:
HEL-PVG 08:50-22:50
PVG-HEL 00:40-05:30
Almost similar to the BKK winter-only 2nd daily flight.
Quoting EFHK (Reply 7): There are also some charter flights at least to Heraklion, Malta and Malaga using M83 as equipment, maybe it'll be one of LF's?
UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8445 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14): And which are the connecting flights to this one? - again the early HEL-ARN?
Only that one right now, but if there would be both BKK and PVG departing at 8.xx in the morning more flights could be added including TLL, CPH, GOT. (Plus most domestic destinations already arrive around 7-8 a.m.) But I admit, it sounds a bit out there...
The thing is that in all their press releases Finnair keeps repeating that these Asian flights are connecting well to Central European destinations and thus are suitable for Asian travellers going to (or going back home from) Central Europe. Early morning departures from HEL towards Asia would not suit this strategy also because of the one hour time difference we have between Central Europe and Finland. To be able to connect with around eight o'clock departures from HEL, the flights should have to leave from. FRA or CDG, AMS etc. so early in the morning - between 4 and 5 local time - that they would never become very popular.
I don't believe that only Scandinavian and Baltic connections are enough to fill these China and Japan flights. BKK is so different because there are heaps of Scandinavian and Baltic leisure travellers who easily could fill even a third daily flight regardless of its departure time.
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8401 times:
Does AY use OH-LQA on a regular basis also on domestic routes? In today's Helsingin Sanomat an article telling about party leaders campaigning for tomorrows election had a photo of Eero Heinäluomas arrival in OUL yesterday evening and there she was behind him.
Haha, good point, I wasn't thinking at all about that.
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 16): I don't believe that only Scandinavian and Baltic connections are enough to fill these China and Japan flights.
Me neither. In my mind BKK will be the only one to survive as an 8am departure. If that even will. They will probably heavily push that one for charters and Finnish traffic.
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UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8393 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 16): Early morning departures from HEL towards Asia would not suit this strategy also because of the one hour time difference we have between Central Europe and Finland.
I know. But the return flight would be perfect: a business man would not miss a whole working day returning from China to Europe like right now.
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 17): Does AY use OH-LQA on a regular basis also on domestic routes?
The flights are to train crew for the big bus. 1-hour domestic flights are good for that and they are flown as regular bookable scheduled flights when the a/c is free from its Asian schedule and maintenance.
EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8391 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 17): Does AY use OH-LQA on a regular basis also on domestic routes?
I've seen -LQA doing some Oulu runs also on Saturday as AY365/366. It probably does them because in the current schedules Fri/Sat is the day it doesn't fly to Asia.
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EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8287 times:
Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 21): However, not many connections depart HEL after 6 p.m....
Actually, Finnair has increased radically the amount of flights departing after 6pm. At least ARN, OSL, MUC, AMS, DUS, LHR, CDG, CPH, TLL, LED (FV), BRU (SN) (the timetable is changing a bit though) and SVO. That's not as much as some other peaks would have, but it's something.
BTW, I just finished my trip report.
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Sukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 337 posts, RR: 10 Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8085 times:
Will ARN be the only international connecting flight to the new morning BKK flight Dep ARN 05.55 Arr HEL 07.55 BKK Dep 08.30? When do the Finnish domestic arrivals come? Do the domestic-international passengers have to leave the domestic terminal/part and line up at the international terminal for the security with other passenger going all over Europe/World.. or do they have a bus or a special corridor they can use? Is it 35 minutes for Domestic- international minimum time like International-International? The other way around International-Domestic, customs, 35 minutes minimum ?
/Sukhoi
26 SandroZRH: Heippa all! Indeed, I couldnt agree more, hence i suggested you book your flights with them It's great to see another Finnish aviation thread, as nr2
27 UpperDeck79: I believe there's TLL, too. Most flights arrive before 7.30 a.m. so lots of domestic connections available! Nope, the whole of HEL is under one roof!
28 Teme82: Any bets what engines would AY's new 330's use??
29 UpperDeck79: First non-Finn for Finnair's Board of Directors: http://www.finnairgroup.com/group/gr...ml?&Id=hex_200703220000186826.html Iceland's Sigurdur Helgason
30 Andaman: Finnair's CEO at the Finnair Plc's Annual General Meeting 2007: "....the two-engine A330, however, will perform well on our shorter long-haul routes (
31 Teme82: From same article: "Under the agreement signed with Airbus in March 2007, we will acquire ten A340/A330 aircraft. When the new technology A350 aircra
32 LordHowe: OH-LQB almost ready! Today's Hufvudstadsbladet (the major Swedish newspaper in Finland) has visited Toulouse and AY's first 340-300E. The plane is goi
33 LordHowe: Here pictures in connection with this article. http://epaper.hbl.fi/index.php?s=300&p=13112 Regards, LordHowe
34 Andaman: Finally PTVs, rather small screen though... curious how those 'thin' seats feel in reality, I guess there are similar to those they soon have on all
35 UpperDeck79: Blue1 will have assigned seats on domestic flights to HEL. Later on, also domestic flights from HEL should have the same.
36 UpperDeck79: One of the longest intra-EU flights will start operating from today, Thursday 29th of March (yes, it's already Thursday here in Finland ) : FINNAIR -
37 SandroZRH: If they really are similiar to the A32S seats, they are very comfy. There's hardly any difference compared to the "normal" seats, even more, the new
38 UpperDeck79: It'll be A320. And the flight is 3 times per week (Mon, Thu, Sat) returning back to HEL the next morning to connect with the Asian flights: AY922 LIS
39 Andaman: Must sure be one of the longest intra-European scheduled flights, Aeroflot's Madrid - Moscow service is longer, I think. I wish AY had flown this rou
40 UpperDeck79: That's why I said intra-EU, not intra-Europe.
41 LordHowe: So the Asian flights to connect with - for the time being - would be: Tuesday: AY57 to PVG 1710 AY77 to KIX 1720 AY73 to NRT 1720 AY51 to PEK 1750 Fr
43 LordHowe: ... and how about AMS-SXM, AMS-ABC-Islands
44 SandroZRH: Does that count? As you'd leave EU airspace.
45 UpperDeck79: From mid-June: Tue: HKG PVG KIX NRT BOM PEK Fri: HKG CAN PVG NGO KIX BKK PEK Sun: HKG PVG KIX NRT BKK BOM PEK Sure, depends on how you count. I never
46 Andaman: Finnair is spreading her Asia-net over Europe... now their have quite a large network, they have some 40 scheduled destinations in Europe, outside Fin
47 WSOY: The Netherlands Antilles are not in the EU.
48 WSOY: You will leave the EU airspace even by flying from HEL to Tallin. There's an narrow international corridor over the Gulf of Finland for the purpose o
49 Teme82: btw. does the economical zone close that gap?
50 LordHowe: Sorry - my mistake! Here's the map http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm And here Départements D'Outre-Mer http://europa.eu/abc/maps/regions/france
51 OHLHD: Yet again I have not much to contribute to this thread, but I am sending you greetings from Kilpisjærvi in the very north of Finnland ( first city af
52 OkAY: You from Germany as you write Finland with two N letters? Just making a joke Yes, it seems the thread has is not as active as it used to be. I am loo
53 Teme82: They are buying the land for the track and station areas so I think they are on schedule.
54 EFHK: Well, ENF won't naturally get any traffic, and at the moment it seems that KTT won't have any flights after juhannus, until the end of August, so RVN
55 OHLHD: No Austria ahhh this damn mistake! It was always corrected in school as an error! Me likes best Suomi!!!!! Same here, last time I was there I recgnoz
56 LordHowe: Well, it is up to you guys too to keep it going on! Best regards, LordHowe
57 EFHK: Ryanair started Tampere-Bremen flights today. I'm actually quite surprised if the route will work!
58 Teme82: btw. Is AY005 today diverted to Keflavik (KEF / BIKF) [EDIT] Or is it just another Aprils fool joke?[Edited 2007-04-01 22:15:24]
59 Andaman: About HEL: The extended section of the non-Schengen terminal, 42,000m2 with new bridges, baggage handling etc, will be opened in the autumn 2009. The
60 UpperDeck79: OH-LQB is getting ready for her first flight in Toulouse this week. I can't wait to see some pics of it flying!
61 LordHowe: Finnair's press release today: " ... Finnair has ordered ten wide-body aircrafts, of these ten four Airbus A340s will be delivered during 2007 and 200
62 UpperDeck79: I hope they will utilise some of the options, since I was hoping more than three long-haul aircraft more in 2010 than today...
63 LordHowe: It does not look like they would have more than two - isn't OH-LQA already around 12 years old. So my guess is she will have to leave the fleet toget
64 EI321: Does anybody think Finnair would bring back its HEL - DUB code share with Aer Lingus??? to finnish first first you must be finnish
65 UpperDeck79: The rumor is that -LQA is getting the same IFE than LQB and LQC. So I'm not sure it's leaving any time soon... HEL-DUB is summer-only and begins on F
66 EI321: Yep, but the original codeshare between the two in the 90s was before the oneworld days.
67 UpperDeck79: Sure, but now AY has a very good intra-Europe service while EI is going LCC...
68 EI321: Its strange that EI pulled its CPH route also. They have a few other code shares in Europe like with KL on DUB - AMS.
69 LordHowe: Does anybody know how she has been behaving herself? Are they (AY) happy with her? No major techs and delays like with the MD11s ... Will the new IFE
70 Andaman: I don't believe they go in code share. I was thinking why don't AY fly to Dublin in winter too, to feed the Asian flights - wealthy Ireland sure has
71 EFHK: They need work for the new Embraers, especially in winter. I'd say it will happen sooner or later.
72 LordHowe: Now they have 295 seats in OH-LQA, 30 in business and 265 in economy - Compared to this there will be 38 seats less in economy. I guess five rows les
73 UpperDeck79: I don't know about that.... But, finally there's a photo on the database showing the not-so-common interior, which was flying for a week or two just
74 Andaman: Wow, quite a contrast to AY's colours.... too bright for AY but I think generally they could change the interior colours a bit, especially the Embrae
75 UpperDeck79: Yep, it felt pretty weird sitting there - especially since I was the only passenger in the rear section so I could see all the seat covers for the du
76 Pyh: According to Taloussanomat, Lufthansa will offer a limited number of flights for 99 EUR return from Finland to Germany. In addition, HEL-MUC will be 4
77 LordHowe: Interesting - the growth between Germany and Finland has been quite amazing. Germany-Finland is now operated by Finnair HEL-FRA-HEL HEL-MUC-HEL HEL-T
78 SandroZRH: Any idea about the conditions for these fares? Time of travel, time of booking etc? Would be great as i frequently travel to finland.
79 Pyh: No, sorry. Perhaps they give more information in their newsletter April. May I correct? HEL-STR-HEL is operated by FinnComm (but in co-operation with
80 SandroZRH: Alright. Would be very eppreciated if you could keep us updated about that. Did you mean TXL?
81 LordHowe: Yes of course! The one in Berlin that is called Berlin-Tegel. I was thinking about the name when writing the code and that's where the "G" came in ..
82 LordHowe: It is already on www.lufthansa.fi: Regards, LordHowe
83 LordHowe: A friend of mine is flying to OUL-HEL on May 5th at 1410 - the aircraft is A340-300. Is it one of the new ones already or still the ex Virgin? LordHow
84 Teme82: An-124 reg. RA-82009 is doing some touch and go here at EFHK for some time now...
85 Teme82: Sorry it was reg. UR-82009... my bad...
86 UpperDeck79: Still the ex-VS OH-LQA, I would think. Isn't -LQB only supposed to arrive at the end of May?
87 Andaman: It seems like Air Berlin offers now new destinations from/to HEL, via TXL or DUS: Munich Frankfurt Stuttgart Nurnberg Karlsruhe Cologne Munster Sylt (
88 Andaman: German Travelchannel.de airline ranking 2007 shows that Germans like Finnair's short haul product: http://www.travelchannel.de/magazin/...linetest2007
89 Jormy: Yeah, this was a really nice display, some 4 low approaches before actual landing This was probably due to the modifications they've been doing. UR-8
90 LTU932: No idea on when it arrives, but OH-LQB has left final assembly is already in pre-delivery flight testing: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=610
91 Andaman: Already introduced once but these pictures of the new AY A340 in Toulouse are so cool... link to Flightforum.fi: http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index
92 OkAY: Really cool pics! Cant wait for these birds to enter service =) okAY
93 SandroZRH: Any idea of when the first new A343E will be delivered to AY?
94 Andaman: Seems like hard to find exact dates, I have understood the first bird comes in the end of May, the second in June.
96 Andaman: I agree, better than I expected. I was afraid their saving program would show in a bad way... Finnair's CEO was interviewed by Flygtorget.se and was
97 UpperDeck79: VERY hard to guess which South Korean city that would be...
98 EFHK: It seems 19th May is the date the first flight to NRT is made, according to month-old AY's web schedules.
99 Andaman: Actually, does their first destination in Korea have to be Seoul? Don't know about local markets but there are 48 million people there.[Edited 2007-0
100 EFHK: The only other big city I know in South Korea is Busan, so it would definitely be either one of them. Seoul would be logical, but Busan doesn't have
101 UpperDeck79: ...of which 22.8 million live in the Seoul area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_metropolitan_area I'm not saying it's 100 % sure, but it would be
102 LordHowe: The original starting date was on sunday June 17th, now it seems to be on monday June 25th. But has this to do with LQB or actually LQC? But HEL-DEL
104 WSOY: If you missed it the 1st time on air, today at 21:00 on the Swedish digital channel (FST5): in Spotlight, a reportage on the recent incidents and mish
105 UpperDeck79: EK201 DXB-JFK (Airbus A340-541, A6-ERD) diverted to HEL yesterday due to a medical. It was the first ever visit of an A345 to Helsinki.
106 Teme82: Got KL 804 MNL-AMS coming here at 23:00 local time. Any info why it's coming??
107 UpperDeck79: Since it was supposed to arrive at AMS already at 18:25 local (19:25 Finnish time), it's probably due to crew hours. And the fact that AMS airport we
108 LordHowe: Is this normal? Does this kind of diversion happen often - meaning that being only maybe 1,5 hours flight time away from the destination and then you
110 SandroZRH: So, where are all the pics of Old Rauma in HEL?
111 OkAY: Talking about crew changes, AY used to have a crew change in RVN before and after the flight to Tokyo over the Nortpole on the DC10. Also, at some poi
112 UpperDeck79: Huh?! The NRT flight has always been non-stop to/from HEL...
113 OkAY: Yes, my mistake! I had been under the believe that some of the Tokyo flights would not have been non stop, but it seems I had misinterpreted a story m
114 Sam1987: Some random questions for the Finnish Aviation buffs on here: I recently travelled on BA between LHR and HEL, and noticed AY and BA have some sort of
115 OkAY: At least the fact that the flights of both airlines depart so closely to each ohter was a blessing for us working on the ground, as if the other fligh
116 Teme82: I'm guessing that it's because good number of pax at that time and things OkAY said
117 Andaman: If the AY and BA morning flights would be combined, that would need 767 or something similar? In the early 1990s I once flew AY charter to Stansted o
118 Teme82: Well BA fly some European routes with B767 so why not to HEL?? I think that AY has something to say about that... that's why two flights.
119 OHLHD: Which routes are those? I can only think of ATH and MAD.
120 LordHowe: I sincerely doubt this - no offends! The flight, back on those days, between HEL-NRT took some 13 hours and DC10-30-ER was able to do it but not a no
121 UpperDeck79: Wow, you were on the same flight as my mom then! She was one of the OUL pax who were able to go home a nice 3-4 or so hours earlier than scheduled.
122 Sukhoi: One of the daily BA flights to ARN is with a B767.
124 TrijetsRMissed: When is this route expected to be switched from MD-11 to A330? Also, what will most likely be the last route the MD-11's work?
125 OkAY: AY used to serve LHR with DC10 at peak times. This was maybe late 1980s early 1990s.
126 OkAY: I can give you my mum's mobile number who was in the crew, she can confirm her roster some 20 years ago =). Some similar kind of arrangements might h
127 Andaman: They say four 340 come 2007-08 and six 340/330 2009-10. So JFK would see Finnair's A330 sometime 2009-10? The last MD11 route is a hard one... BKK?
128 Sukhoi: Yes but a B767 should be HEL with the One World. ARN is Star Alliance Heaven! / Sukhoi
129 TrijetsRMissed: So I have roughly 1.5-2 years to get on an AY MD-11, thanks. As for the route, why BKK? Lots of cargo?
130 LordHowe: There were at least one hundred Finnish Jaycees returning from a World Congress held in Nagoya and somewhere above Alta it became clear that we will
131 UpperDeck79: Diversion are coming now almost every day! Last night we had a British visitor: BA0031 LHR HEL 21 APR 03:37 Actual time of arrival BA0031 HEL HKG 21 A
132 Andaman: I guessed BKK as it is their busiest route now, with two daily departures in winter. Most probably BKK is still busy 2010. Yes, MD11 cargo capacity i
133 Teme82: No, they fly B767 to ARN so that there would be competition on ARN-LHR route. And they must have good numbers of pax since they fly it with B767
134 EFHK: I'd guess BKK because the MD-11s won't be upgraded with new IFE etc, and the BKK route is the most leisure-oriented.
138 Andaman: You sure could have opened a little more.. So AY 005/006 is HEL-JFK-HEL and OH-LBO is a 757-200 charter version... poor passengers is that's true.
139 Teme82: Yeah But anyway that 757-200 is on its way to JFK now So anyone at JFK rare bird coming there !!
140 Andaman: AY 757 at JFK for the very first time right?
142 Teme82: 2nd time, fist was in January 7th or 6th. If I recall right.
143 Andaman: Thanks for info. AY's 757 looks good outside but inside you find a blue torture chamber...
144 DLBOIFIN: Could this be the future...? I believe AY could easily take the MD-11 off from HEL-JFK leg and replace it with reconfigured 757 (i.e 16 seats in J an
145 Andaman: How's the cargo factor here? Perhaps they are just waiting for the A330, AY have said JFK is a good destination for their future A330 (2009?).
146 Teme82: btw. When the A330-X00 deal will be official?? I haven't got any number how many A330's AY is getting...
147 Andaman: They have a flexible deal. According to their website: 2007-08: 4 x A340 2009: 4 x A330 or 340 2010: 2 x A330 or 340 Plus four A330/340 options.
148 Vasu: I think this is probably the right thread for me to ask: Will there be any interesting aircraft in Helsinki around Eurovision time?
149 FFlyer: ???? Zulu-time, T-time, GMT, EST etc... But "Eurovision time"?
150 Andaman: Just the usual stuff I guess, depends on what you find interesting - MD11 always available It seems like Helsinki will be full of ESC tourists next w
151 Andaman: That means The Eurovision Song Contest, the biggest tv show in Europe and kind of Euro trash carneval.. big fun! These Finnish sweet hearts won last
152 Teme82: So AY haven't made it's mind about how many A340 or A330 they are going to have in the end of 2010.
153 UpperDeck79: ..and the performers and delegations from 42 (!) different countries who participate. Thousands of people, that is. http://www.eurovision.tv/ http://
154 UpperDeck79: Finnair's European traffic up by 20 % in April: Press Release
155 LordHowe: Gdansk was opened on April 11th, Nuremberg in the beginning of May - Lisbon and Ljubljana in early April. How positively can all these destinations h
156 UpperDeck79: Good question. Maybe because of a good advertising campaign for those destination and then people just ended up buing other flights?
157 EFHK: Or maybe NUE affected April numbers positively exactly because the flights hadn't started yet... Well jokes aside, I hope the route will work. But tha
158 LordHowe: Anybody know yet, when the first of the new 340s is going to arrive? Regards, LordHowe
159 LordHowe: So, today it begins - the new era for AY Asian flights. The last of HEL-BKK-HKG flights is on its way to HKG and there will not be any BKK-SIN flights
160 UpperDeck79: FR will begin TMP-BGY fights in Dec: http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/?culture=FI
161 N272WA: For the first time ever, Aer Lingus will start direct nonstop flights between Dublin and Helsinki on 30OCT flying Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday with A3
162 UpperDeck79: Quite weird that they start the flights now, right after they have resigned from oneworld, which AY is part of. Or maybe that is the exact reason...
163 N272WA: Well, Finnair and Blue 1 do not operate to Dublin in the winter, plus EI have 2 new A320's coming on board....so it is a case of perfect timing I gues
164 UpperDeck79: That's true. I've been hoping AY would keep DUB also in the winter to connect to the Asian network, but I guess there's not enough demand - at least
165 N272WA: Yep, AY did have a winter service to DUB via ARN some years ago, but now operate with A319 directly in Summer only. Who know's, maybe next year, we wi
166 LordHowe: Good news - but unfortunately you never know with FR. Let's hope, anyway, that this route has come to stay eventhough Finland - Northern Italy is qui
167 Finnaviation: New era started like this: AY95 HEL-BKK tonight cancelled due to technical problems with OH-LGB. And tomorrow AY96 BKK-HEL is also cancelled. It is u
168 UpperDeck79: And it has just arrived to HEL! Text messaging and emailing available from all seats and free calls to fellow passengers!
169 Andaman: Cool. I have sent text messages from Emirates 777, that was fun. AY just have double price, 2$/message. And the second new A340 coming next month? I
170 UpperDeck79: Definitely, we have to wait until summer 2008 or even longer...
171 Teme82: Man, I can't wait when OH-LQB pics comes here
172 LordHowe: And I hope there will be soon photos in a.net! There must have been quite a lot of you guys out there to take photos! - an unofficial HEL a.net meeti
173 Teme82: Kids.... you know why btw. Finnairs Finnish media site says that they are start getting A330 from 2009 onwards....
174 LordHowe: OH-LQB is ready! The first flight will leave on saturday June 2nd as AY73 to NRT. Regards, LordHowe
176 OHLHD: Yes indeed, she looks really good! Can´t wait to see her in July! Is OH-LQB also going on domestic ( or shorthaul flights) for testing?
177 EFHK: Here are some good photos of OH-LQB's presentation at HEL today.
178 Andaman: Thanks for the link! Those PTV screens looked good, seems like AY is building a tempting long haul product.
179 UpperDeck79: Yes, she's supposed to fly HEL-OUL-HEL on both June 15th (Fri) and 16th (Sat)!
180 EFHK: It's just good that they do, this is a major improvement at least in Economy Class. According to Finnair's Okay magazine, OH-LQA is supposed to get t
181 EFHK: OH-LQB just departed as AY073 to NRT, I watched it from my kitchen window, and I have to say A343s are the poorest climb performers that I've yet seen
182 Teme82: Well it's more economical that MD-11 and in passengers view its better to have lover climb angle.
183 EFHK: OK, AN-124s are as bad. Haha, let's not start this fight over here, from the passenger point of view yes, the new A343s are definitely better.
184 Teme82: Yeah I really need the same B vs. A battle that we have in our Finnish forums
185 LordHowe: Well, aren't we now most definately all A for the moment - at least there is no B in the vision out there, is there? - Just the A and then of course
186 OkAY: Magazine Reader's Digest has selected Helsinki-Vantaa Airport as the best airport in Europe. That's cool and I must say Hki Airport is very much a bre
187 OHLHD: Does anyone know if Blue1 accepts staff tickets that are issued for LH or AY? I want to fly HEL - TXL but just incase AY is full I would like to try B
188 OkAY: Is it a ZED ticket? If so, then there should be no problem. okAY
189 OHLHD: Yes it is, but my airline does not have an agreement with them. Otherwise I would go directly with them.
190 Andaman: HEL is a nice airport but getting too crowded in times, more space coming but not until '09.
191 OkAY: I do not know who you work for, but as you have been issued a ZED ticket, it means your company has to be a member of the ZED carriers, and so is Blue
192 OHLHD: Yes we have ZED´s but no particular agreement with Blue1. The reason why I am asking is that I have expierenced many European airlines making a fuss
193 FFlyer: Hi there Finns! Anybody know what the hell is going on in Kuopio in July? I have been trying to find a connection to Kuopio from Helsinki (or anywhere
194 OHLHD: Huh nothing special that I know of. I will check!
195 LordHowe: Finnair's special web page http://www.finnairgroup.com/media/media_10_1.html for A340 (I think it is found only in Finnish) tells that after the four
196 LordHowe: The whole airport is closed between July2nd and July 29th because of "In the air traffic areas, runways and taxiways will be resurfaced and other rep
197 Andaman: KUO is closed in July, there are repairing the runway. There are comfortable InterCity/Pendolino train connections from Helsinki to Kuopio (around 4h
198 OHLHD: http://www.kuopioinfo.fi/english/index.php This is good for a start. http://www.kuopiodancefestival.fi/ but this is in June.... I found it! Kuopio wil
199 OHLHD: Funny! Let´s get a life! Check this!! 3 posts in only 39 seconds. HAHAHA It is time I guess for VOLUME 4!!!!! Let´s get in on!
200 Andaman: The new A340 looks really nice inside, cool seats, have to try myself as soon as possible. I just wish those birds would fly to BKK already.
201 OHLHD: Indeed, They look nice. Will the MD-11 be fitted with the Eco seats too?
202 Andaman: No, AY won't put much more money on MD11s, those will be sold out by the end of 2010.
203 OHLHD: Starting in 2010 or will they be gone until 2010? I guess they will be converted to freighters?
204 Andaman: The first will go later next year, all by the end 2010. Atleast Aeroflot is one buyer, will convert those to freighters.
205 LordHowe: They won't (want to) put money - but anyway the MD11s seem to create more costs. Only last week two return flights (HKG and CAN) were cancelled becau
206 OHLHD: Is the one which arrived from RG a troubled one? I remember some guys saying that it was miracle work by AY engineers to get it into a good shape. Or
207 Sukhoi: Hello Finland! I have been searching for the cheapest and most direct flights from HEL to KUL on www.travellink.se for fun and it always shows HEL-ARN
208 Teme82: This is post number 207 close and make vol. 4 !!!!!!!
209 FFlyer: Thanks guys! The whole airport....closed for the whole month????? How do they cope with that in Kuopio? I mean, isn't air service considered to be vi
210 Andaman: I am also planning to travel to KUL next Jan-Feb, first to SIN though. The best price I have found was Finnair/Qantas, via FRA to SIN, and would get
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