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User currently offlineOneSkyJet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 84 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15684 times:

There's been an awful ot of JetBlue bashing lately on this forum that deserves some factual update. According to FlightAware this morning, New York City departures between midnight and 11:30am this morning were as follows:


Airline…………..EWR …..JFK…..LGA……Total
JetBlue…………….3………48…….3………..54
American………….4……….9……..9………..22
USAirways………..1……….0……..9………..10
Delta………….……0……….4……..5…………9
Continental………..0……….0……..3…………3


All airlines operating in and out of the Northeast had their operations severely impacted by yesterday's storm yet B6's cancellations continue to be the focus of negative attention both on this board and in the media at large.

Based on today's operations in and out of all three major airports it seems to me that JetBlue has managed to recover substantially more intact than most of the competition. Notably, as of 11:30am EST B6 was operating close to a normal operation out of all 3 NYC airports. In comparison, Continental had yet to operate a single flight out of their EWR hub.

The facts show that JetBlue has made significant steps in improving their operational reliability since last month's Valentine's Day storm. In addition they are the first and only airline to put their money where therir mouth is with a passenger "Bill of Rights".

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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15578 times:

Real Name: Trey Urbahn

"JetBlue Appoints Trey Urbahn to Executive Vice President, Chief Revenue Officer

NEW YORK, Nov. 14, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq:JBLU) today announces the appointment of Trey Urbahn to the position of Executive Vice President, Chief Revenue Officer, effective immediately. Mr. Urbahn will be responsible for the low-fare airline's Revenue Management, Route Planning, Marketing and Sales performance, and will report to JetBlue CEO David Neeleman. "


Biased much?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25132 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15554 times:

I dont see what relationship of B6 launching 54 flights over CO's 3 (if your stats are right) have anything to do with showing one airline is better over the other.

The fact is that the major airlines tend to pull the trigger for good during major weather events and shut down ops for a sizable time frame. Operations then ramp up at the designated time afterwards, unlike Jetblue that previously had decided to muddle thru.

Just because B6 decided to start things a bit earlier then its industry peers this time does certainly not make them geniuses. If anything they took a bigger risk operationally for both the passenger and getting their staff to work in potential poor weather conditions.

As far as the media attention on Jetblue, its absolutely well deserved. After all who had a operational melt down last month? The news media obviously want to see if such a fiasco will repeat itself. Why go report on Southwest Airlines at ISP, when Jetblue is still fresh in peoples minds. After all its not like Jetblue is some small obscure airline, its one of the largest operations in NYC, and a publicity limelight hog at that. If they cant stand the heat in the kitchen better get out.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15554 times:
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Quoting OneSkyJet (Thread starter):
There's been an awful ot of JetBlue bashing lately on this forum that deserves some factual update. According to FlightAware this morning, New York City departures between midnight and 11:30am this morning were as follows:


Airline..............EWR .....JFK.....LGA......Total
JetBlue................3.........48.......3...........54
American.............4..........9........9...........22
USAirways...........1..........0........9...........10
Delta...................0..........4........5............9
Continental...........0..........0........3............3


All airlines operating in and out of the Northeast had their operations severely impacted by yesterday's storm yet B6's cancellations continue to be the focus of negative attention both on this board and in the media at large.

Based on today's operations in and out of all three major airports it seems to me that JetBlue has managed to recover substantially more intact than most of the competition. Notably, as of 11:30am EST B6 was operating close to a normal operation out of all 3 NYC airports. In comparison, Continental had yet to operate a single flight out of their EWR hub.

The facts show that JetBlue has made significant steps in improving their operational reliability since last month's Valentine's Day storm. In addition they are the first and only airline to put their money where therir mouth is with a passenger "Bill of Rights".

Those other airlines also have more than one hub, and ticketing agreements with other airlines so that they can easily re-route distressed passengers. jetBlue deserved every bit of crap that they got for their SNAFU last month. B6 also tries to avoid canceling their flights. They would rather tack on an eight hour delay rather than cancel the flight. Gotta get that DOT Completion factor.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15386 times:

So OneSkyJet,
You are the Exec VP of B6? No bashing, just curious.  Smile I have nothing against B6!


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

MSNBC was bashing B6 over their latest storm cancelations, as was CNN who had a producer stuck on a flight to PBI for three hours before taking off.

I would say the B6 media relationship is no longer "warm".



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15316 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
I dont see what relationship of B6 launching 54 flights over CO's 3

I take the point as everyone was so fast to jump on jetBlue on Thursday when they started CX'ng flights, that now they are the first and fastest to recover.



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User currently offlineOneSkyJet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 84 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15189 times:

NEW YORK, Nov. 14, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq:JBLU) today announces the appointment of Trey Urbahn to the position of Executive Vice President, Chief Revenue Officer, effective immediately. Mr. Urbahn will be responsible for the low-fare airline's Revenue Management, Route Planning, Marketing and Sales performance, and will report to JetBlue CEO David Neeleman. "


Biased much?


The facts speak for themselves, my friend.

Since you've "outed me" in this thread, let me make a few biased observations:

JetBlue is different. Perhaps that's why we are held to a higher standard. Our crewmembers have built a great airline and are proud it, as by the way, am I. Last month, we let our customers down. In addition to apologizing and compensating those who we inconvenienced, we made a commitment not to let it happen again. We articulated this commitment externally in our customer Bill of Rights. Internally, we identified areas where we made mistakes and have taken substantive steps to correct them. I may be biased, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due: Thanks to the dedication and hard work of our crewmembers, we managed to meet and overcome a significant weather event yesterday. In doing so, we've proved to our customers and to ourselves that we're different because we're better.

sincerely,

Trey Urbahn
JetBlue Airways


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15107 times:

Quoting OneSkyJet (Thread starter):
Notably, as of 11:30am EST B6 was operating close to a normal operation out of all 3 NYC airports. In comparison, Continental had yet to operate a single flight out of their EWR hub.

How we love twisting stats and figures........CO's cancelled all ops at EWR until 1200 noon (except the Tokyo flight which departed at 1203, about an hour late) so its very convenient to use figure until 1130 AM. Too much blue juice? And why bother to take into account that CO is at EWR while JetBlue is at JFK....just maybe the conditions are different at the two airports? Who cares about details?

JetBlue should be given credit for acting responsibly this time around and revising their operating procedures during storms and other such events......they screwed up big time last month and seemed to have addressed the problem. But how does criticizing CO make any of this better?


User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15109 times:

So OneSkyJet,

I'm laughing that you came here to try and defend your honor... Pretty comical I might say.

But anyway, it's good you did get some flights out today. Like others have said, you really had no option but to get them out. JetBlue would be history if they screwed up on the level they did last storm. And clearly, the other airlines had many more options, for instance Delta ran their JFK-BOM flight straight from ATL and connected their passengers through ATL thus avoiding cancellations. JetBlue doesnt' have the luxury of several hubs like DL, CO, AA and UA.

How was the on time record for you?



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User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15097 times:

AT least Continental had options to re-route passengers. Originating & going to areas un-affected by the storm...
O & D passengers into EWR were adversely effected, but Im' sure the Continental REservations centers, (not operating out of Moms basement) worked overtime to reaccomodate all they could thorugh IAH, and using other airlines.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14943 times:

Quoting OneSkyJet (Reply 7):
JetBlue is different. Perhaps that's why we are held to a higher standard. Our crewmembers have built a great airline and are proud it, as by the way, am I. Last month, we let our customers down. In addition to apologizing and compensating those who we inconvenienced, we made a commitment not to let it happen again. We articulated this commitment externally in our customer Bill of Rights. Internally, we identified areas where we made mistakes and have taken substantive steps to correct them. I may be biased, but I believe in giving credit where credit is due: Thanks to the dedication and hard work of our crewmembers, we managed to meet and overcome a significant weather event yesterday. In doing so, we've proved to our customers and to ourselves that we're different because we're better.

sincerely,

Trey Urbahn
JetBlue Airways

Trey Urbahn,
Pretty balls-out statements for someone who works for jetBlue. Yes, some of your crewmembers may be hard working, and some customers may find your airline to be better for them.

However, to generalize and make blanket statements that you are, per your quote above better is kind of ridiculous, wouldn't you agree? Every airline through history has won awards and accolades from the Media, the Consumer, the Employee, and the Business World. Correct?

Continental Airlines, year after year wins the JDPower & Associates customer satisfaction award. Last year, Delta came in second (not bad for a carrier about to go under eh?) Therefore, should we in the same manner as you, generalize and say Continental Airlines is the best carrier?

Mind you, in the world of the budget conscious, you may be god's gift to airline travel. However, to many of us, who travel for both business and pleasure, your airline is limited. There is no global network, no airport clubs, no first class, no ability to earn and redeem miles on alliance carriers (yes you're starting). You can play your "everyone's first class on JetBlue jingle", however I still fail to see the wider seating, flat beds, full 4-course meals and other elements the premium traveller comes to expect.

Couple this with the fact that during IRROPS, CO can route me IAH-CLE-SYR instead of my scheduled IAH-EWR-SYR or DL can send me via CVG or ATL instead of my scheduled JFK.

And while you may have enamored a few, you're airline is still much too young to be having these kind of hiccups, especially when every little error results in a mass of bad-press. And, mind you, one recovery does not a good airline make.

Sincerely,
the drinker of Kool-Aid that is NOT blue.

[Edited 2007-03-17 19:52:30]

[Edited 2007-03-17 20:05:12]


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14839 times:

Everyone agrees that this is a turbulent time for B6. I sincerely doubt that this will mark the end of JetBlue Airways. They're doing what they can to recover, and I believe they will. It would apear that they've learned a valuable lesson.

It would seem that it's one thing after the next when it comes to the airline industry as a whole. What I do like is the fact that everyone is making adjustments to be the best for their customers. Kudos to B6 for not repeating what happened last month. Kudos to DL, AA, CO, US, WN, and the international carriers for doing what they could to accomodate the customers in this last hurrah by winter.

As always, the media is a powerful force to be reckoned with.



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User currently offlineSanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14763 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
If anything they took a bigger risk operationally for both the passenger and getting their staff to work in potential poor weather conditions.

Respectully disagree, we are not in a position to determine if they were operating outside of legal/safe limits. The pilots in the end will make the final decision.  Wink



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14707 times:

Quoting Sanjet (Reply 13):
Respectully disagree, we are not in a position to determine if they were operating outside of legal/safe limits. The pilots in the end will make the final decision.

...not to mention the dispatchers, who under 121.551 can/do pull the plug on an entire operation.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25132 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14638 times:

Quoting Sanjet (Reply 13):
outside of legal/safe limits

My comment has nothing to do with flying safety...

As I said its an operational risk.. eg - If weather forecast were busted planes and passengers could be stuck again causing another terminal fiasco. Also by starting ops earlier employees and customers are asked to come in earlier as well which could possibly be increasing risk on the roads etc..

Jetblue simply seems to have opted for an earlier start time for their operations as compared with their peers and obviously was willing to take the added operation risk associated with it. Thats all.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9625 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14489 times:
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Nothing wrong with an executive of an airline, or any other business, offering an opinion on their place of business.

No different than having a bunch of kids who aren't even old enough to have a drivers license, or even a learners permit, offering their 'expert opinion' on why "XYZ sucks" and "ABC rulez!!!!!!!"

Most of the people who post on this board don't have the chutzpah to expose their real name.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

All of the airlines have their own strategies for getting back on track after harsh weather. Some start earlier, others start later on, both have their reasons. Saying one airline is doing better because they have flights going out of JFK during times when CO has canceled everything out of EWR makes no sense. Picking half an hour before CO goes back on track makes no sense. Plus, as has been said, CO has the ability to re-route many of their pax through CLE or IAH, they can put people over through the codeshares on NW or DL through DTW or CVG, they have a lot of options open to them. B6 is a mostly point-point airline, they'd have more trouble with re-routing.

So I'm glad B6 is getting their flights back out quickly after the snow. Trying to claim 'B6 is better than those other airlines" at handling snow seems more just like someone is still bitter about how badly B6 botched handling the storm last month.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14226 times:
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I would recommend Trey try and improve profitability and performance to increase shareholder value than spend time on A.net.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14184 times:

Quoting OneSkyJet (Reply 7):
Since you've "outed me" in this thread

In all fairness, you outed yourself by putting your real name in your profile (which I find extremely odd for someone in your position, but that's your choice).

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
JetBlue should be given credit for acting responsibly this time around and revising their operating procedures during storms and other such events......they screwed up big time last month and seemed to have addressed the problem. But how does criticizing CO make any of this better?

Exactly.

Quoting Fanoftristars (Reply 9):
And clearly, the other airlines had many more options, for instance Delta ran their JFK-BOM flight straight from ATL and connected their passengers through ATL thus avoiding cancellations.



Quoting SpencerII (Reply 10):
AT least Continental had options to re-route passengers.



Quoting SpencerII (Reply 10):
but Im' sure the Continental REservations centers, (not operating out of Moms basement) worked overtime to reaccomodate all they could thorugh IAH, and using other airlines.

With load factors nationwide as they are, I always wonder where all of this extra capacity suddenly comes from, or who those elusive "other airlines" are? Folks arguing against Carrier A because they have one hub or don't interline make it sound as though "there's a seat just waiting for you to jump in" on a different itinerary. Obviously there are often options, but when carriers are cancelling hundreds of flights in a region, it would seem that there are going to be people who get left behind. Heck, people get left behind everyday due to overbooking - and that is done intentionally!

Quoting SpencerII (Reply 10):
O & D passengers into EWR were adversely effected

Which I would imagine constitutes a large portion of CO's EWR traffic. Additionally, with as many transatlantic filghts as they have out of EWR, I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that more than a few will face severe delays.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
Jetblue simply seems to have opted for an earlier start time for their operations as compared with their peers and obviously was willing to take the added operation risk associated with it. Thats all.

I'm still trying to figure out if you are saying this is good or bad?

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offline7of9 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14052 times:

Quoting OneSkyJet (Thread starter):

I went to work this morning and CO is asking for volunteer employees from IAH to go and work at EWR for 3 days, hotel, food and 1.5% hourly pay offered... as of 12.45pm there were about 100 volunteers....i wasnt among them. i work on ramp 2, gates E1- E22


User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14016 times:
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Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 18):
I would recommend Trey try and improve profitability and performance to increase shareholder value than spend time on A.net.

I always find these comments funny. I guess you must have a job that requires you to work 24/7 and yet you still find time to post here. The guy has 25 posts to his name. Gee, I guess he must be wasting too much time on A.net instead of working. Right.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 16):
Most of the people who post on this board don't have the chutzpah to expose their real name.

You must be talking about me.  Smile

-Dave (er, Fred I mean)

(Seriously, good post!)



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

I am a bit puzzled. OneSkyJet claims that they are a VP at JetBlue yet in their profile they state that they are "Chairman,CEO".... maybe it's time to update that profile

[Edited 2007-03-17 21:32:51]

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

I never thought I'd live to see the day that I was disappointed to see an airline EVP posting on here, but here we are. I realize you included your name in your profile, and given that I can hardly fault you for your post, but for you to bash a competitor like that without making clear your affiliation strikes me as distateful. Just my opinion, of course. Still, these kinds of promotional tactics aren't exactly moving B6 up my list of airlines to consider for my transporation needs -- just seems unprofessional to me, and I try not to reward that kind of behavior.

Edit: You know, it occurs to me that this could be -- oh, what do they call it in spy novels -- a false flag? This is probably not a B6 EVP at all, and instead someone trying to make B6 look bad by posting these propagandistic, empty comments. That makes a lot more sense than an actual B6 corporate officer posting comments like this on an enthusiast message board.

[Edited 2007-03-17 21:31:47]


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25 CALPSAFltSkeds : Smart move, Trey, putting your real name on your profile, then using cherry picked stats to "show" your airline is "best". I wonder if you'll copy you
26 ATLAaron : You are pretty close to correct. Anyhow . . . I'm basically pointing out that I agree with another posted who thinks it is very distateful to come on
27 Post contains images Lincoln : Though personally I would have prefered a "Confiict of Interest" disclaimer in the original post, I am glad to see a real airline executive here rathe
28 Jimyvr : Um, 4 planes sitting on the tarmac for more than 4 hours, probably one new record in recent history, you think people won't question it? Besides, thi
29 PropilotJW : that is correct. hence, I had updated my post to say "maybe it's time to update that profile"
30 Post contains links Clickhappy : I am a bit puzzled. OneSkyJet claims that they are a VP at JetBlue yet in their profile they state that they are "Chairman,CEO".... maybe it's time to
31 Post contains links and images Dtwclipper : For a guy who has worked in Revenue Control for NW, US, and UA, this thread kinda makes his entire cover seem a little fishy to me: I'm curious just
32 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : This is a harsh group. Brave and refreshing. Wonder how long he'll continue post (more likely just watch and monitor)? I was thinking this and It was
33 Post contains images Wukka : Absolutely. This is the kind of thing that would and should make a.net a better place to be. Much respect to Lincoln, Jim, and OneSkyJet (even though
34 Positiverate : No offense, but after the St. Valentine's Day massacre you had nowhere to go but up. So let's not go patting ourselves on our backs quite yet... I'd
35 UnitedNRT : Kudos to Mr. Urbahn on actually initiating contact through the forum. I welcome his comments, though they seem to be biased, and look forward to more
36 727stretch : Actually I think having an airline VP on a forum like this (or flyertalk.com, etc.) is a very cheap way to reach out to the aviation community & freq
37 Spyderz : First off, I think people have been way too harsh with the original poster. I think it generally describes the culture of this forum. Based on the neg
38 Tu154 : The question that first popped up in my head was is this profile true or a fake? If I was in a VP position at an airline I certainly would not include
39 Positiverate : This goes back to my objections to his original post: he never identified himself as a B6 executive. He was, to use his words, "outed" by another pos
40 We're Nuts : Does your boss know you're here?
41 Post contains images YBCS : It amazes me the length to which people will go in slamming, flaming and generally putting people down for holding opinions different from ones own,
42 Post contains images N770WD : Fortunately nobody around here is known for biased posts. Lots of airline executives frequently scan these boards for chatter and intel. Even if a.ne
43 PropilotJW : lol... he is not CEO. Greg Johnson is the CEO. Don't quit my day job? What does my "day job" have to do with anything?
44 AsstChiefMark : Maybe Neeleman is here, too. You never know.
45 Fanoftristars : Airlines regularly add extra flights when warranted. While not the busiest flyer, I fly over 100,000 domestic miles a year and I can count twice this
46 Airtran737700 : JETBLUE made themselves out to be "better than the other airlines" offering "the JETBLUE experience"....well, they messed up, like every other airline
47 Post contains images Dutchjet : Very well said.
48 DavestanKSAN : I thought you liked trains Mark....or shall I say "Mark" as if that is your real name. HA. Dave
49 Qantasguy : I am a JetBlue customer. I will fly them again - even in bad weather. I appreciated the thread starter and the stats presented. There are a lot of com
50 Alitalia744 : From a PR perspective, it would have been an even bigger disaster if he didn't. While I applaud jetBlue for their effort to right the ship, there is
51 Nyskymasters : Yes, there has been some bashing of B6 on here. jetBlue is working through some growing pains and is learning lessons that every airline has had to l
52 Stirling : Yep. Yep. Yep. Yes, he should not have any free time whatsoever....24/7 at work! As a matter of fact, all of you, get back to work! (Or back to your
53 Post contains images WesternA318 : I doubt B6 will be around after next winters stroms anyhow (just my opinion), and thoe A320's and E190's will be going "up" in other airlines colors.
54 Falcon84 : I find it interesting that a corporate officer is on Anet, trying to score brownie points for his airline. And I say that with nothing against JetBlue
55 CALMSP : i dont see any comparison between B6 and CO..........I dont think you will see us cancel for the next 2 days all our flights on our 135/145 ERJ aircra
56 LTBEWR : I suspect that CO cancelled almost all of their late Friday afternoon and morning Saturday flights as EWR for weather related ops reasons. Last night
57 Stirling : Fair enough.....I think this is being blown way out of proportion anyway. The guy is entitled to an opinion no matter who he works for. Many A.Nutter
58 Post contains images WestIndian425 : Hehehe...that's a nice plug in for ExpressJet. On related news, there's some bad press again on the passenger inconveniences at JFK as a result of th
59 Ikramerica : It is bad form for someone to speak about a company when they work for that company without identifying that they work for the company. People have b
60 WesternA318 : From what Ive seen on thenews about B6's executive "caliber"...my money stays well away from them
61 Jimyvr : No, because this type of explanation and stats was mentioned basically creates more question. If it's fake, let it be entertainment. If it's real, th
62 OneSkyJet : It would appear that I owe this forum an apology for starting this thread without identifying myself as a JetBlue crewmember. Moreover it was absolute
63 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : I was watching Craig Ferguson's Late Show last night. He said this: "We are the JetBlue of late night television. To Put it Bluntly......We Suck!" I f
64 WesternA318 : LOL...I couldnt help but lose whatever it was I was drinking when he said that, lol...too funny
65 Stewardess4u : JetBlue is still the best as far as customer service and employee morale. You board any other airline in the Northeast and you have bitter, grumpy peo
66 JRDC930 : All many on this board do is confirm the claim of B6 bashing. I think All the original poster was trying to do is point out that B6 is not the only ai
67 777fan : Pretty lame example of self-aggrandizement. Your passenger "Bill of Rights" may have righted your own flight operations for the time being but it app
68 WesternA318 : JR, sorry to burst your bubble but... NONE of these quoted posts are bashing B6. These are just opinions. You cannot go on and say this thread is "peo
69 PlanesNTrains : Another great post that sums up an otherwise lengthy thread. That may be true, but don't you wonder how many people on here fit that description? Hec
70 ATLAaron : Umm no, that is not my job, that is his. That is why he makes the big bucks to do it.
71 Zippyjet : Agreed! B6 has been getting the shaft. Bash New York and New Jersey, I give you my blessings on that one. BTW, there's not much happening with Anna N
72 Flydeltajets : Jetblue just got one of our Regional Managers, just this past week. Looks like they are trying to build an all-star team
73 Post contains images JRDC930 : I never said that. I m not calling any one a basher because they dont fly B6, im simply saying people neglect to see that other airlines have had pro
74 Positiverate : Apology accepted (at least by me). Sorry Trey, I don't buy that. As another poster put it, you "cherry picked" stats to back up your argument. Again,
75 Post contains images JRDC930 : And THIS is not bashing why? Attacking B6's hub plans and lay out while boasting about other airlines is not bashing?
76 CALPSAFltSkeds : Well, since 1200 noon today CO has departed 175 flights from EWR and JetBlue has departed 105 from JFK. The problem with all star teams is that they h
77 Jimyvr : While it is ridiculous and getting tiredsome that one and the media keeps focusing their attention on jetblue like they have nothing to do. But this
78 Positiverate : Who was attacking? Who was boasting? FACT: DL, CO, AA, UA, US have multiple hubs and a far larger network then B6. As a result, these airlines are ab
79 Post contains images JRDC930 : Lets just send planes up into icing conditions why dont we amnd se what hapens? Seriously people there are such things as weather minimums in aviation
80 Jimyvr : But it doesn't mean passengers have to sit on the plane on the tarmac for more than 3-4 hours.
81 Positiverate : And what B6 did on Valentine's Day to those 4 flights was neither convenient nor safe. Let's just be a little more dramatic. No one said they should
82 MUWarriors : I actually kinda like B6, and I will say that post is not bashing anything. It is pointing out a fact, and raising a question (somewhat aggressively,
83 JRDC930 : See Below Never said that the wait was right, but people might want to get a little less angry about the fact they did not fly. About the 3-4 hour wa
84 Post contains images Bingo : My outbound and inbound to PHX were "tweaked" due to weather in EWR. I knew about the delays hours before my flights and was quickly rerouted because
85 Jimyvr : If it's 1 plane it is alright. But 4? How are you going to explain that? It's a "new record" no one wants to break in the future in recent memories.
86 VonRichtofen : Majors have access to more plane and bigger planes. If they need to re-book pax onto an already full flight (say a 320) they switch it to a 767 or so
87 Motech722 : OneSkyJet, you are the man. First of all, it's great to see someone in your position on here, and I am glad to see somoene not afraid of using their r
88 We're Nuts : Unfortunately the media hates jetBlue. The company should be spending money on a new PR department. Hey, since you're on the inside, any idea when yo
89 Dank : In reality, you would like to see the percentage of flights that departed, and not the absolute number, to get a better picture of how successful you
90 PlanesNTrains : I understand completely what you are saying. My point (pointless as it was) was that the 767 is being pulled from somewhere else, and that causes rip
91 PExDCA : Marketing Principle #1: Know your audience before you spin your story and choose the statistical distortions that support your positioning so that it
92 ANCFlyer : No you don't. You've got a Profile. Let them click on it - of course, it's much easier to just toss barbs - welcome to Civ-Av. No EWRCabinCrew, this
93 Tercer : I personlly find it hard to believe you would ever find a company officer on a forum such as this stating much at all nto to mention identifying them
94 TSRA : Mr. Urbahn, all things aside, I would like to say that it took "a pair" to contract out your rescue flights after that mess. From someone who works fo
95 Mariner : I take great exception to that statement. Since you have your official a.net badge beside your name on the post, is it representative of the thinking
96 Nkops : That's not fair... I've been in this industry for 16 years now, and know a thing or two (hopefully above elementary school level)... Anyway, JetBlue
97 ANCFlyer : Mariner, if the boot fits, fine. If it doesn't fine. A-Net "badge" notwithstanding. I call 'em like I see 'em. And you should read my A-Net signature
98 B6sFinest : Point is no matter what Jetblue does we will be bashed. We keep customers on a plane for 11 hours we are bashed, AA does it its fine. We cancel flight
99 MDorBust : Statistically meaningless Can we see what percentage of the regularly planned flights went out? It's nice to see that JetBlue got off 48 flights whil
100 Falcon84 : Which I personally don't understand. I noticed that when this storm was heading east, and the airlines started cancelling operations, the media headl
101 Positiverate : Which would be a great response if his profile at the time said ANYTHING about being an exec for B6...
102 MDorBust : Ummm..
103 Dutchjet : That was added after the initial post was made......go back to the beginning of the thread and you will see that the poster was ""outed"" (his words)
104 Mariner : That's a cop out, you made a blanket generalization, which I found - and continue to find - offensive. You can hardly describe the "post-game locker
105 Jimyvr : This is NOT the Point. This is definitely NOT bashing. Again, since when a doubt, a criticism becomes a bashing?
106 JRDC930 : When one is unwilling to criticize others with similar or same problems as with the B6 issue. Not saying that every one here is bashing, but maybe a
107 Jimyvr : You did not 1 but 4 big screw ups and you expect people to forget completely about this within short time that leads to forgiveness? May be we can al
108 Squad55 : With all the B6 bashing, I thought the title of this thread was about B6 cancelling 54 flights, and CO only 3. That's the first thing I thought. Maybe
109 We're Nuts : Could be all sorts of things. jetBlue was cocky at first, maybe that rubbed the media giants the wrong way. Neeleman is also a Mormon - note how well
110 Falcon84 : He's got you there, Dutch. I can remember all the threads on here-everytime B6 announced a new city, it was received by many on here with reverence a
111 Dutchjet : Check your quotes....... Yes, I remember that......we were told that the only thing holding back JetBlue from taking over Newark was a lack of gates
112 Post contains images Falcon84 : Didn't some numbnut even say CO acquired those gates just to piss off B6-even though CO had those gates before B6 was started up?
113 Dutchjet : Yep, they did.....and I got into a serious a.net ""arguement"" with several other a.net members over this; the best line (by another poster, I dont r
114 Positiverate : Show me another airline that did what B6 did on Valentine's Day, and I will be as critical. Who "condemned" them? Who called them the "worst airline
115 Post contains images Mariner : I would give my eye teeth to have invented that metaphor. mariner
116 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : For what it's worth, according to http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/David_Neeleman.php Neelman is quite active on the political scene,
117 Jetdeltamsy : I don't see how you can make such a claim. B6 hubs at JFK. Or course they are going to be able to get back into and out of the airport in substantial
118 We're Nuts : What I meant was "note how well the media has been treating Romney". I have no idea what Neeleman's politics are.
119 Flybyguy : This thread is going nowhere.... I suggest deletion.
120 CALPSAFltSkeds : It's probably run its course until the next snowstorm.
121 Post contains images WesternA318 : CALPSA, just out of curiosity, what percentage does that 175 departed give us? I havent seen any numbers since Friday night, but I assume we're at le
122 Post contains links Falcon84 : Here ya go! The Title? "CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw? " http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ental+Terminal+A+JetBlue#ID2805794 One of the
123 Dtwclipper : I don't know about Eastern, by we (NY) flew out of B.[Edited 2007-03-18 23:37:09]
124 Post contains images Mirrodie : Locked. Start another one with the next storm  [Edited 2007-03-18 23:37:05]
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