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OO Says Sorry To Pax Who Had To Urinate In Bag  
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10561 times:

I thought this was kind of funny. OO apologized to a passenger who said he wasn't allowed to use the restroom during a one-hour flight and ended up urinating in an air-sickness bag.
James Whipple said he had two "really big beers" at BOI. While on a flight to Salt Lake City on March 7, he wanted to use the lav but the captain declared it off-limits during the short flight because a light wasn't working.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_5458523

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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10528 times:

I feel sorry for the guy. You don't always know when you're gonna have to go (true, he had big beers, but I'm sure he also expected to be able to use a restroom in flight since you customarily can). He actually did the most sanitary thing possible, and yet they called the police on him.

I was on a Delta Connection (CRJ) flight recently and the only lavatory was out of order. Fortunately it was only a 90 minute flight, but sometimes nature calls urgently when you don't expect it. I think it is shameful that the cost of my flight was over $400 and yet the airline could not provide a reasonable level of passenger comfort.

Plus, what if there were an infant or small child on board that needed to be changed? You can't exactly tell them to "hold it."

I am almost afraid to fly now if I have the slightest stomach discomfort for fear that I will NEED to "go" in flight and not be allowed to. Yet I can't cancel....


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

Uh, the article does not contain the word 'sorry', or make any mention of the airline apologizing, besides the title.

There are also several statements in this article that are very uneducated, but apparently newsworthy.
First:

But a SkyWest spokeswoman also said Whipple wanted to use the bathroom while the "fasten seat belt" light was illuminated, which is against Federal Aviation Administration regulations.

"For a pilot to declare a lavatory inoperable for a one-hour flight is acceptable to the FAA," Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Mike Fergus said.

"The safety of our passengers is of the utmost importance to SkyWest, and as such we expect all our employees to adhere to those federal regulations," Suite-Mangum said.
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If the FAA guy really knew his regulations, then he would know that it is IN the regulations that the aircraft is to be operated within the limitation of the MEL. If the MEL for the broken lightbulb in the lav was what deferred the lav, then the lav cannot be used during the operation of the aircraft.

The spokeswoman knows what she's talking about.

Second:

"It's very wrong for them to put a commercial airliner in the air if it's not in complete working order, regardless of whether [the problem] is a lavatory, or a tire, or anything. We are paying customers, and we put our lives in their hands to fly," he said.

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I guess we shouldn't tell passengers that our GPS and FMS is broken today, so we'll have to use "GASP!" ground-based navigation.

If the crew had to tell passengers what was broken on a plane, they might as well throw the passengers a dictionary, the MEL book, SOP book, and AFM, since it would take too much time for us to tell them the how's and why's of why a system is needed in the first place.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

Another thing: It would have been appropriate on my flight (mentioned above) for an announcement to have been made in the gate area alerting passengers that the onboard restroom was out of order and to take care of any "needs" before boarding.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10371 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
Uh, the article does not contain the word 'sorry', or make any mention of the airline apologizing, besides the title.

did you read the first paragraph?

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
If the MEL for the broken lightbulb in the lav was what deferred the lav, then the lav cannot be used during the operation of the aircraft.

that's insane. take a cell phone. flip it open. plenty of light. improvisation is one of nature's greatest gifts.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
did you read the first paragraph?

Stupid IE. I did search for 'apol' and it found nothing. The first paragraph is usually sensationalizing hype anymore anyway.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
take a cell phone. flip it open. plenty of light. improvisation is one of nature's greatest gifts.

Blame the feds. They and manufacturer wrote the MMEL to the fed's satisfaction, and then approved it, and also enforce it's adherance.



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User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):

that's insane. take a cell phone. flip it open. plenty of light. improvisation is one of nature's greatest gifts.

And the regulations on cell phones while in flight? Off. Some people use airplane mode, I know. Plain and simple though, the regulations are clear, and had something happened to this guy in the lav due to no light being on there is quite a potential law suit there. People sue for any and everything these days.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10272 times:
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I would have used it anyway, especially if the outcome would have been the same in both cases. What the hell are they going to do? Divert the flight because the pax had to use the restroom? I guess that's possible. Is the captain going to go back into the main cabin and slap the pax on the wrist for not abiding by his rules? Never say never.

User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
that's insane. take a cell phone. flip it open. plenty of light. improvisation is one of nature's greatest gifts.

You can also blame the lawsuit-happy nation we live in. Let's say the guy got up to use the lav (while the seatbelt sign was on. no-less), was standing there peeing in the dark, when they hit a little rough patch of turbulence and he can't see where to grab to keep himself from falling. What's going to be his next move? That's right...he'll get a lawyer and sue the airline for his injuries because he was "forced" to use the restroom in the dark...

We have no one to blame but our fellow Americans for some of the stupid policies that have to be enforced these days thanks to morons trying to make a quick buck.


User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10072 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
I thought this was kind of funny. OO apologized to a passenger who said he wasn't allowed to use the restroom during a one-hour flight and ended up urinating in an air-sickness bag.

That's really taking the piss!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10044 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Stupid IE. I did search for 'apol' and it found nothing. The first paragraph is usually sensationalizing hype anymore anyway.

haha my good fellow poster! :p

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Blame the feds. They and manufacturer wrote the MMEL to the fed's satisfaction, and then approved it, and also enforce it's adherance.



Quoting Xpfg (Reply 6):
People sue for any and everything these days.

can you hear Sharon Stone saying it now ... "what are you going to do, charge me with going to the bathroom?"



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7690 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10027 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
OO apologized to a passenger who said he wasn't allowed to use the restroom during a one-hour flight and ended up urinating in an air-sickness bag.

Wow, thats great!!!! Funny stuff.

Its still more dignified that the time my dad and I were stuck on a plane on the ground for 5 hours in BOS trying to get back to LAX. We had "Vomit Bag Puppet Masterpiece theater". We basically made puppets out of the vomit bags. But hell after 5 hours of them not letting us off the plane, we got really bored.

But seriously, I guess when you gotta go, you gotta go.  Silly



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9910 times:

Did OO also apologize to the passengers sitting next to the guy that pee'd into the barf bag??  Confused

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9876 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
Did OO also apologize to the passengers sitting next to the guy that pee'd into the barf bag??

Good question. I presume so.

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User currently offlineAh414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

The airline absolutely should have appologized....afterall, they took him down to the bar, and forced 2 "Giant" beers down his throat, then they forced him onto the plane. Give me a break! Maybe had he been in the boarding area rather than the bar, he would have heard the announcement that the Lav was going to be unavailable. But, in America, we never hold people responsible for their own actions and choices. He'll probably sue and get a huge settlement.

User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9392 times:

Good thing all he needed to do was take a leak, and not having "gastric distress"!


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9371 times:

Quoting Ah414211 (Reply 14):
The airline absolutely should have appologized....afterall, they took him down to the bar, and forced 2 "Giant" beers down his throat, then they forced him onto the plane. Give me a break! Maybe had he been in the boarding area rather than the bar, he would have heard the announcement that the Lav was going to be unavailable. But, in America, we never hold people responsible for their own actions and choices. He'll probably sue and get a huge settlement.

You must be kidding ....are you saying that the passenger is at fault here because he had to pee? And that the passenger was unreasonable in expecting that there would be a lav on the airplane. You cant be serious. So the guy had a few beers before boarding.......nothing wrong with that, just about every airport has bars conveniently located near the departure gates.....you are making it sound as if the pax did something wrong by drinking before flying.

Dispatching an aircraft without a working lav is very bad form.....please dont make this the pax fault. Only on a.net can a humorous story such as this be turned into something controversial.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

How big were those beers?

He said he used the bathroom in the terminal, then used the bathroom while the plane was stopped during the taxi to the runway. And yet he couldn't hold it for a 67 minute flight? The overzealous airport police (12 officers surrounding him when he got off the plane) sound like they don't have enough work themselves.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9180 times:
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Quoting Ah414211 (Reply 14):
But, in America, we never hold people responsible for their own actions and choices.

It wasn't in America, but when I was eleven my mother and I were flying in a DH 89 Dragon Rapide - a twin engine bi-plane for those who don't know it - from Beirut to Amman to join my father who was working there.

We were warned at Beirut Airport that the plane had no lav, so I used the bathroom twice before we left.

I was eleven. I was very excited - the first time I had flown this sort of aircraft over this sort of country. And, half way through, I had to pee. I mean, I had to pee.

There was a kind of solution - my mother had a plastic beaker in her bag - we travelled ready for almost anything in those days - and I used that and put it on the floor.

Problem solved? Not quite.

The plane landed, and, being that sort of aircraft, the tail went went down as we touched the ground. My mother told the staff what had happened, and everyone was very kind to me, and made no fuss about it.

Except - the plane was covered with canvas, and as I walked away from the aircraft I could see my pee dripping from the belly onto the ground.

I was even more embarrassed when one of the airline ground staff bought the beaker - washed and dried - to my mother.

Things happen - things we can't always predict.  Smile

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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

ok am i the only one amazed that he could pee into a barf bag and it didnt disintergrate? HOw strong are these bags anyway? Never seen one in use so no experience (thankfully!!!) with what they can hold.

User currently offlinePYP757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Quoting Ah414211 (Reply 14):
The airline absolutely should have appologized....afterall, they took him down to the bar, and forced 2 "Giant" beers down his throat, then they forced him onto the plane. Give me a break! Maybe had he been in the boarding area rather than the bar, he would have heard the announcement that the Lav was going to be unavailable. But, in America, we never hold people responsible for their own actions and choices. He'll probably sue and get a huge settlement.

I totally agree with you. I would never think of drinking two beers before boarding a plane, then another soft drink on board. Even when lavatories are in working order, they are not always accessible in the case of such an emergency. Safer not to fill up one's bladder before a flight, I'd say!


User currently offlineAh414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Great Story Mariner  Smile

All I'm saying is that he maybe should have planned a little better. I've flown the BOI-SLC route hundreds of times and flight time ranges anywhere from 37-45 minutes on average, so more often than not the seat-belt sign is never turned off. I never plan on being able to use the lavatory, therefore, I never have 2 really big beers before boarding. A child, I could understand, but an adult should maybe have thought about that second beer before the flight.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7845 times:
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Quoting Ah414211 (Reply 21):
but an adult should maybe have thought about that second beer before the flight.

Of course, I agree. The point of the story really was just to say that accidents do happen, and to show the difference between how the airline staff reacted then - and how this f/a reacted now.

I remember to this day how embarassed I was when it was all "discovered" so I can imagine how an adult man would feel. This guy has my sympathy.

 Smile

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User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

I take diuretic blood pressure tablets and sometimes I HAVE to go within 30 minutes of getting on a plane, i can't imagine what it must be like to be told you just can't go! i would literally piss my pants.

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9236 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

Quoting JayDub (Reply 8):
You can also blame the lawsuit-happy nation we live in. Let's say the guy got up to use the lav (while the seatbelt sign was on. no-less), was standing there peeing in the dark, when they hit a little rough patch of turbulence and he can't see where to grab to keep himself from falling. What's going to be his next move? That's right...he'll get a lawyer and sue the airline for his injuries because he was "forced" to use the restroom in the dark...

Oy ve...

Quoting JayDub (Reply 8):
We have no one to blame but our fellow Americans for some of the stupid policies that have to be enforced these days thanks to morons trying to make a quick buck.

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After reading Mariner's anecdote about his ordeal, I have one of my own. One that was very recent at that, like this past Wednesday...

My girlfriend and I were on US 1566 coming back to Philadelphia from a 5 day family visit to Pittsburgh. I never have to use the lavs at all when we fly, but right when we began our final descent, nature decided to call, and I mean CALL! I don't know if any of us on here have seen the episode of Family Guy where they stop at that Indian Casino en route to New York so that Peter could use the restroom, but that's kinda how I felt. Only I had to go No. 1...

We finally land, after what seemed to be a 6-hour descent. We're standing waiting for the door to open and for us to deplane. Luckily we're seated near the front. I was standing there thinking to myself, "hold it... hooold it... hooooold it." Then the door opened and I took off for the races. Luckily the restroom was just across the terminal from the gate. My girlfriend and I ultimately had a good laugh about that later  Smile

I am not too sure if we can use the lavs while on final approach. Given the security constraints, I don't want to test that. My luck, I'd get up to use it, and wind up in an interogating room...

And I guess it's quite obvious; I don't fly much... But I am getting there!



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25 Post contains images PLANAR : Well, couldn't there have been compromise on both sides? I mean instead of blaming the airliner or the passenger vehemently... Yes stuff happens and
26 Motech722 : Now maybe it is just me, but because the media story is all encompasing, how do we know that the airline did not announce at the gate prior to departu
27 MD-90 : One of my grandfather's had to take those and his experience was similiar. Never on final approach, since the aircraft is maneuvering and the seatbel
28 TSS : The very first flight I was on was with DL from BHM-ATL. No sooner did we take off than I had to whiz something fierce. After what seemed an eternity,
29 Moek2000 : I recently flew US Airways from SJU to PHL and due to weather and landing holds in PHL, we were circling around PHL for like 40 mins. I had to use th
30 Aloha73G : On a recent flight from SMF-HNL literally 5 seconds before we were to start our takeoff roll, a female passenger stood up and tried to enter the lav.
31 Post contains images Morvious : No one was really hurt right? So why making a story out of nothing. Things can brake or mail function so these things happen, but also, you have to go
32 Ah414211 : Exactly. I have made that announcement several times myself. Any time I am advised that the LAV is INOP, I announce it at least 3 times prior to boar
33 Smashme33 : But unfortunately not acceptable to full bladders! Absolutely! But he was likely so full of beer, I'm not sure this would have turned out differently
34 Steeler83 : That's what I thought. Although MOEK2000 thinks otherwise. Still, even with the pilot performing approach maneuvers, and given that the flight in gen
35 N353SK : Hopefully OO had the common courtesy of warning the passengers before boarding that the lav was inop.... but then again even if they did Mr. "2 big be
36 N867BX : An apology is also in order for the way the F/A and the captain handled the situation. If I was the F/A I would have politely asked him to pour his u
37 Iairallie : Yeah, multiple pit stops and still legally intoxicated after 1.5 hours. Must have been monster beers.
38 Post contains images Flynlr : in the future this will be required of all passengers for security reasons of course.
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