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User currently offlineQazar From Canada, joined May 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8599 times:

OK!!!

So we all know that Air China, Shanghai Airlines, and Turkish Airlines are all being positioned to join the alliance sometime soon... Who will be next after that?

Some past rumors that circulated:

- Air India / Indian Airlines
- Ethiopian Airlines
- Egyptair
- Qatar Airlines
- TACA group of airlines
- Continental - deffection from Skyteam (I may have heard that one but not sure!!!)
- TAM to replace VARIG
- Air Malta
- Access to the Russian market (Transaero maybe?!!!)

Any thoughts on the above or any others no mentioned?

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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Quoting Qazar (Thread starter):
Shanghai Airlines

Do you not think its odd having an airline named after a city, joining Star Alliance?


User currently offlineFlashFlyGuy From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 1):
Do you not think its odd having an airline named after a city, joining Star Alliance?

Singapore Airlines - although Singapore is a city, island, country.....


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting Qazar (Thread starter):
- Access to the Russian market (Transaero maybe?!!!)

AirUnion is the most rumored one. But that is still a long way to go.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

I would like to see Air Malta and Air India join. I cant wait to see TK as a full member so I can get points and lounge access.

User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

QR.. I can see that one. A Middle East carrier is badly needed and an airline of Qatar's stature would certainly compliment the likes of SQ.

The others I can see would be TAM and TACA to replace Varig and Mexicana.

As far as Russia is concerned, I think that is a possible gold mine. I could see Air Union but that would be a long way off. Now Transaero on the other hand would be a definite possibility and with their tie in with BD on the Moscow route out of LHR, they kinda already have a foot in the door.



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

I as a customer would see a lot of value in them. They would open more than a dozen new transatlantic gateways.

Co also offers the much needed excess to the Mexican market since MX left. And not to forget CO's little brother Copa with its beautiful hub in Panama.

And last but not least just imagine a Star RTW including the island hopper Guam-Honolulu. Just every enthusiasts dream.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8365 times:
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Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

You have to admit that CO has a nice bundle of European destination from EWR, as well as an impressive number of Central American destinations. Stranger things have happened in the past - just have a look at the quantity of European carriers in Star.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9725 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

I think the Indian and Chinese markets will be the focus markets for any alliance in the coming years as these markets are expected to grow significantly in the coming years. The major airlines of these countries will be nice candidates of course  Smile

A388


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Personally I think the Virgin carriers would do well in Star (outside the slowly dieing Virgin America). BD and VS have long rumored to be talking about mergers. VS would be able to help UA by further strengthening their LHR battle with AA/BA. DJ would be a great fit to help star carriers in AU as a feed to their SYD MEL and PER flying. Virgin Nigeria would help to further patch the African white space on the star map.

The other carrier i would like to see is EK or GF. The Middle East is another white space that they need to fill.

As for the former USSR, I think Transaero would be a good fit. Although I do not know much about Russian Aviation.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7928 times:

Quoting Qazar (Thread starter):
Continental - deffection from Skyteam (I may have heard that one but not sure!!!)

The CO-NW partnership is without a doubt the smoothest-running partnership between 2 U.S. airlines. While CO undoubtedly provides some coverage advantages from Star, what advantages would CO see?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9725 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 9):
The other carrier i would like to see is EK or GF. The Middle East is another white space that they need to fill.

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Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 9):
As for the former USSR, I think Transaero would be a good fit. Although I do not know much about Russian Aviation.

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A388


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

Huh, an alliance with 3 US carriers.... what would that have to offer anyone.... CO would know nothing about that, being a part of skyteam... which contains NW, DL, and CO.... 3 US carriers.

Who knows. I do, however, expect that Star Alliance will pick up a persian gulf airline (which, combined with TK, will offer Star a solid middle-eastern presence), which I think will have to be either QR, who seems interested, and well fitted to star alliance, or GF, who I think is perhaps less likely, despite getting a new CEO from Swiss.

I also think star will be courting TAM, in an attempt to re-solidify its base in South America, now that VARIG is out. We'll see how that works out.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 9):
The other carrier i would like to see is EK or GF. The Middle East is another white space that they need to fill.

From what I remember (I could be wrong on this) EK has been out there before saying they don't want to be in an alliance, which makes Qatar the prime candidate. They cut SQ out from their mileage partner, and they ditched DL as well from mileage partner.

As for India, I personally think Jet Airways makes the most sense. In terms of quality/cleanliness/service, I have heard the most positive stories about them. I'm sorry but Air India, and/or Indian Airlines in terms of service standards/cleanliness don't cut the mustard for star alliance. Before you start making the claim "well air china isn't any better!", Air China's fleet has been getting a nice makeover as of lately, and I have enjoyed my flight with them in the past, they'll be getting better as time goes on.

TAM also makes a lot of sense given Varig's exit.

Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting Qazar (Thread starter):
- Continental - deffection from Skyteam (I may have heard that one but not sure!!!)

This roumer came because of the 'nearly' merger of DL/US, because US would probably go to Skyteam, making skyteam too full with 4 American Airlines, while * would have only 1. If this happened, then CO's move to * would be perfect.

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 9):
VS would be able to help UA by further strengthening their LHR battle with AA/BA

Wasn't it UA and BD that rejected VS's bid to Star Alliance.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineQLS From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 17 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

I think Air China, Air India, Turkish and Shanghai Airlines are more or less already accepted. Lufthansa strives to have them on board.

Now Star needs a partner in South America but TAM is likely to join SkyTeam. TACA would be a good partner for Star because they have no partner in Central America since Mexicana left.

The Middle East carriers are really independant. Maybe Qatar although I think Singapore will not agree.

Emirates will stay outside any alliance.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 1):
Do you not think its odd having an airline named after a city, joining Star Alliance?

You Mean like... Singapore Airlines, or a regional like British midland, or how about Cathay Pacific in OneWorld who flies from all those wide selection of Hong Kong airports ?



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 13):
From what I remember (I could be wrong on this) EK has been out there before saying they don't want to be in an alliance,

EK will probably become a true global carrier with hubs around the world once it kicks in gear, it wont need an alliance.
I predict EK will have a hub in Australasia, Dubai, a European Hub (when it eventually buys one of Europe's ill breeds) and maybe even on in central america's.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 14):
Wasn't it UA and BD that rejected VS's bid to Star Alliance.

Two of LHR's sick puppies protecting whats left of their kennel.
BD protecting what it doesnt have (a long haul network)
UA protecting what it had and lost (a long haul network)

If anything VS could have saved BD, and VS certainly needs feeder routes in the US, which is what it lacks.. so everyone actually stood to gain, but explaining two scrap yard dogs how to be a poodle stands no chance.



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User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

regional members could be

.Air baltic
.airone



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

That's actually the case in SkyTeam. They don't seem to have any kind of overcapacity, especially on transatlantic flights, do they?



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 18):
regional members could be

.Air baltic

Yes seeing their links with SAS this could be possible.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 13):
I'm sorry but Air India, and/or Indian Airlines in terms of service standards/cleanliness don't cut the mustard for star alliance.

I'm curious to hear what you'd say about UA which doesn't have the best service out there.



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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
CO.. No way.. Already 2 American carriers, a 3rd would just be redundant and offer nothing of value to the rest of the alliance.

How about kicking US/HP to the curb and adopt CO?  bouncy 

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 5):
The others I can see would be TAM and TACA to replace Varig and Mexicana.

I think the Star Alliance needs a south american partner, a middle eastern partner, and an indian partner. That would make a strong, unbeatable alliance.


User currently offlineAA623BDLSJU From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Was not TAM already approached by OneWorld a few years ago?

User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

What about Aerolineas Argentinas for Star?


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25 ORD Boy 2 : I read something on flightglobal.com about increasing ties between Aerolineas Argentinas and LH. I think Aerolineas and TACA are much more likely than
26 Post contains images RICARIZA : Avianca ( AV ) already has agreements with Air China and Singapore Air. One of the rumors is that is looking to join *A due to its network in America
27 Steeler83 : I was about to mention Singapore myself. Um, how about no... As good an airline as CO is, with their product, management, etc. I am still a fan of US
28 TYCOON : If TAM were to join an alliance, it would make considerably more sense for them to join Skyteam than Star. They have up to three flights a day to the
29 Post contains links LTU932 : I don't know about three of them, but TK is has been accepted into Star Alliance and will officially join sometime this or next year. http://www.star
30 Jimyvr : Again, this doesn't mean anything at the early Spa Agreement.
31 Cubsrule : I can see why CO would benefit Star, but I still want to know how Star would benefit CO. I just don't understand it.
32 RICARIZA : I just mentioned these two signals that AV might be getting closer to reach an agreement with *A, I am not saying that the Spa agreement is the major
33 Kiwiandrew : at the moment in Skyteam the current membership is huge in North America ( DL/CO/NW/AM ) Europe ( KL/AF/AZ/SU/OK) and transatlantic ( all of the abov
34 Jimyvr : 2 signals of? Cooperation beyond Spa agreement? That'd be interesting.
35 RICARIZA : No, read again. Two from all the signals that we have heard between AV and *A studying the possibilities fo joining. Having relations (of any kind) w
36 StarGoldLHR : I would reckon they have to be a strong contender.
37 Pred02 : Transaero seems like a great airline. S7 has a huge internal Russian market. They have done a bit better recently with their marketing S7, and also u
38 Jimyvr : I'm still putting doubts on it at this stage. I pretty much believe Star has been contacting few carriers and AV's Spa's deal with CA/SQ around the s
39 BSBIsland : I don't see OceanAir (or Avianca) being providing really "extensive" network in Brazil or in "southern" South American countries. Sure they are growi
40 Jimyvr : TAM is closing to ink a tie-up deal with Lufthansa when it gets go ahead to FRA.
41 AirCanada014 : If I do recall from previous post sometime last year didn't Egypt Air wanted to join Star Alliance too?
42 VC10er : CO joining star would be great for new york city. As it stands right now there is no non-stop on star to london, paris, madrid or sao paulo/rio. Addin
43 USADreamliner : I don't think CO will join Star Alliance. CO have a major east coast hub for SkyTeam,EWR. And joining Star Alliance would change that, with UA in IAD
44 Jimyvr : It's the opposite direction. They weren't happy with the AA partnership so they went to UA.
45 Daron4000 : I believe that if CO were to join Star which right now is very unlikely becuase of all the costs involved, US would be kicked out of Star for some re
46 AF022 : I'm surprised Star hasn't targeted Ethiopian to fill a void in the network. Although SAA is part of Star, Ethiopian has far better links between Euro
47 OB1504 : As far as South American partners are concerned, I agree about not seeing JJ as close to Star Alliance as some think, although I find them closer to o
48 Qazar : Most urgent for Star Alliance: GET AIRLINES IN THE TOP 3 EMERGING MARKETS China: Done by sealing in Air China and Shanghai Airlines India: On its way
49 AF022 : KQ is headed to SkyTeam, not OW
50 SA7700 : I may be wrong, but they most likely did it to protect their own trans-Atlantic interests. United also did not want to market SA's JNB-ORD-JNB servic
51 TYCOON : Qazar, I completely disagree with your assessment of TAM's likely lean towards Star Alliance. It is a bit silly to say that TAM's strong presence at C
52 Post contains images UAL777UK : Another brilliant statement from you! I think LH might have an issue with VS joining Star.
53 SQ452 : I avoid it when I can, wouldn't disagree with your statement. From time to time (on the international flights at least), you get some really nice fli
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