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Why No Direct Service To GUM On Airmike?  
User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Been doing some research for a RTW trip and it struck me as being somewhat strange that there is no direct service to GUM from IAH or EWR, just through Honolulu. Why is that?

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

I expect it is due to the feed, from various mainland locations via HNL.

CO flies EWR-HNL and IAH - HNL i believe, maybe from some west coast cities too?

The only aircraft in the CO fleet that can do IAH/EWR - GUM is the 772, and they are utilised on the most exclusive CO flights.

Flights to GUM are 764s, and they don't have the range to do IAH or EWR direct to/from GUM.

This map, shows you the ranges.


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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 17596 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

When the 787s come into the fleet IAH-Guam and or LAX-Guam will be a strong possibility, Braniff used to fly nonstop LAX-Guam-Hong Kong with the 747SP.

Guam is under going a considerable expansion in military construction and population.

The US and Japan recently agreed to move 8,000 Marines from Okinawa to Guam, when you include dependents and civilian contract support workers Guam is looking at an additional 15,000-20,000 new residents from this move alone. Plus all the construction workers needed to build facilities for these new tenants.

The Navy is basing 4 Los Angeles class attack submarines in Guam, they are planning to base more Subs and possibly surface ships in Guam. It has even been discussed moving a Carrier from the West Coast to Guam. All of this means again more Sailors and their dependents and civilian contract support workers moving to Guam, plus additional construction contractor activities.

The Air Force is also expanding Anderson AFB, they now have a permanent Wing assigned to Anderson that supports rotating Squadrons of B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, KC-135s and soon F-22s. Anderson is going to see growth not seen since the Line Backer II days of Vietnam. Again additional airman and their dependents, as well as Government contractors.

Safe to say the population and Government activity on Guam is growing substantially over the next decade, a scheduled nonstop to the Continental US as well as additional capacity to Honolulu will be needed.

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Braniff used to fly nonstop LAX-Guam-Hong Kong with the 747SP.

And the airplanes were very very empty.  Smile

Quoting ASEFlyer (Thread starter):
Why is that?

A simple issue of supply and demand.....there is not a huge amount of demand between Guam and the US mainland and there are yeild concerns....thus, CO very effeciently connects GUM with HNL; at HNL, connections are available to LAX, IAH and EWR nonstop. Note that one of the key reasons that CO flies a 764 on the LAX-HNL segment is that it can move a lot of cargo on that flight that is going to/coming from GUM.

While its possible that CO could start an IAH-GUM or LAX-GUM nonstop once the 787s are delivered, its not a priority from what I hear.......actually, the last thing that I heard concerning GUM is that once CO has a number of 787s in service, a 762ER could be used for LAX-GUM nonstop service on a 3X per week basis. Lets see what materializes.

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