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Will AA Ever Bring Back STL-CUN/SJU  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2274 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Will AA ever bring back their weekend non stop flights from STL to SJU and CUN? I thought AA's STL-CUN was a popular flight, and there had even been talks about expanding the schedule. Then hurricane Wilma hit CUN and the route has been suspended ever since. Also, would AA ever reconsider adding back the Sat/Sun flights to SJU? Would make sense to connect the 2 hubs, albeit with weekend service only since the STL hub smaller now. I think even US at PIT, which they consider to be a focus city now, has retained SJU and CUN flights. I was just wondering if AA would show STL the same consideration. Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

I thought the same thing, especially San Juan since they have a hub at both ends of the flight.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
I thought the same thing, especially San Juan since they have a hub at both ends of the flight.

STL-SJU did very poorly in its half year or so post-hub operations. It was operated twice weekly with a 757 and typically went out about ~50% full, which is not good for a leisure flight.

STL-CUN did well (up to 3x weekly at one point) but was dropped after the hurricane that hit Cancun. I could see it coming back twice weekly, but if AA had plans on bringing it back post-hurricane, they would have already.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 2):
STL-SJU did very poorly in its half year or so post-hub operations. It was operated twice weekly with a 757 and typically went out about ~50% full, which is not good for a leisure flight.

Thanks. I thought the flight did well during the TWA days, but nowadays, I suppose AA can just as easily route these passengers via DFW, MIA, ORD, etc.


User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

I worked those flights for a month a while ago and they were always almost completely empty. I remember twice having so few PAX in coach and none in first class that we just upgraded everyone.


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User currently offlineDeltasju777 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

I could see SJU becoming popular again since there is no passport requirement like everywhere else in the Caribbean and Mexico.

User currently offlineCivilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
if AA had plans on bringing it back post-hurricane, they would have already.

LambertMan,

There are a few pre-Wilma flights that have not been fully reinstated by AA. The reason being lack of parking space and gates at Cancun airport rather than poor load factors. Fortunately, American is one of the lucky airlines which will be transferred to the brand new Terminal 3 building that will open for traffic officially on April 28th. This adds an extra 11 state-of-the-art telescopic bridge gates and as many remote stands enabling a much speedier and friendlier overall operation at an airport which is currently bursting at the seams. The goal at this terminal is that "deplaning to your taxi" time should take 30 minutes on average.

I expect soon to see that AA flight reinstated as well as the 5th daily Miami frequency to name but two.

Greetings from Cancun !


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 6):

Thanks Civilav! Are departures from here going to be pre-cleared for the US or was that put off?? Thanks.


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 833 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

I know they used to one stop the early am flight out of STL to SJU (via MIA). I dont know if that is still around, but they are doing some serious chopping of FL flights for April schedule, looks like the 6am flight to TPA is gone looks like 1 MIA is gone too. Why would they run these flights out of STL at 6am? There is no way these flights could work. No connections possible at all. Be nice to see it a 8-9am flight, down to FL. As well as the CUN and SJU as mentioned before.


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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 8):
I know they used to one stop the early am flight out of STL to SJU (via MIA). I dont know if that is still around, but they are doing some serious chopping of FL flights for April schedule, looks like the 6am flight to TPA is gone looks like 1 MIA is gone too. Why would they run these flights out of STL at 6am? There is no way these flights could work. No connections possible at all. Be nice to see it a 8-9am flight, down to FL. As well as the CUN and SJU as mentioned before.

These flight have been mostly full, the 6:30am FLL 757 is always full and FLL is being cut to nothing. Yes seasonal but I don't remember it being cut completely. AA has focused the few mainline flights on business routes this summer and has cut leisure- not a bad idea when you have an aircraft shortage. But I smell opportunity for FL- Airtran that is.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3576 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting Civilav (Reply 6):
There are a few pre-Wilma flights that have not been fully reinstated by AA. The reason being lack of parking space and gates at Cancun airport rather than poor load factors. Fortunately, American is one of the lucky airlines which will be transferred to the brand new Terminal 3 building that will open for traffic officially on April 28th. This adds an extra 11 state-of-the-art telescopic bridge gates and as many remote stands enabling a much speedier and friendlier overall operation at an airport which is currently bursting at the seams. The goal at this terminal is that "deplaning to your taxi" time should take 30 minutes on average.

That doesn't mean a whole lot if the planes are empty. I think the redundancy with DFW and ORD will prevent the return of this route.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 8):
looks like 1 MIA is gone too.

The only MIA flight that is gone is a winter-only 757 flight that operates on Saturdays. Otherwise, it is the status quo: 2x daily.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Any chance of the third daily MIA-STL coming back?

It would be nice to have an early am MIA-STL flight again.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Slightly off topic, but what were loads (per se) like on AA's STL-LGW prior to its cancellation?

Any move by the airport/city to convince the carrier to return it?


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
Slightly off topic, but what were loads (per se) like on AA's STL-LGW prior to its cancellation?

Any move by the airport/city to convince the carrier to return it?

Really good in the summer, even in F. Not great but manageable in the winter. Cargo loads were the main problem, which were typically very poor.

There were rumblings that the airport administration was trying to talk with AA about starting it up again but I really don't see the incentive in it for AA. Maybe if they can get together a package something could get done, but I seriously doubt it.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

No doubt they'll be watching how SLC handles this same scenario rather closely....

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 8):
I know they used to one stop the early am flight out of STL to SJU (via MIA). I dont know if that is still around, but they are doing some serious chopping of FL flights for April schedule, looks like the 6am flight to TPA is gone looks like 1 MIA is gone too. Why would they run these flights out of STL at 6am? There is no way these flights could work. No connections possible at all. Be nice to see it a 8-9am flight, down to FL. As well as the CUN and SJU as mentioned before.

Darn AA keeps screwing with the Florida flights.

MAH, didn't STL-MIA have 3x last summer?

I REALLY REALLY REALLY love the 1140 A & 344 P TPA-STL flights they had last year. Now it's down to 6PM TPA-STL which is too late for most of my travels. I'll be on that 610A STL-TPA flight next week and it looks pretty open so far, thankfully that time is just what I need for business, although I really miss the 745P STL-TPA flight that was dropped in 2003.

Looks like SRQ is done too. What about RSW?



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3576 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting Moman (Reply 16):
What about RSW?

RSW had a seasonal second frequency in the summer last year. One flight left in the early morning and the other left in the evening. Not sure what's on tap for this year, though the RSW flights typically do pretty well.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3282 times:
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This seems like a poll to me. Should probably be moved.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting Moman (Reply 16):
MAH, didn't STL-MIA have 3x last summer?

No, most it has had since the hub cutback was this winter, 2x daily plus an extra Saturday flight.



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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
No, most it has had since the hub cutback was this winter, 2x daily plus an extra Saturday flight.

Why such the wierd times, they have a late night flight leaves MIA ~ 9:40PM? Does that flight have good loads, it seems like it would be too late for any connecting traffic.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3576 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 18):
This seems like a poll to me. Should probably be moved.

He's asking a question, not polling everyone's opinion. Let the moderators do their job and don't worry about it.



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

I agree with some of the folks above. STL-SJU is likely not coming back, but STL-CUN definitely has a real chance.


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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

On a FL note, AA increases JAX to 4X April 10th and is keeping 3xMCO-- no seasonal pullback.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting Moman (Reply 20):
Why such the wierd times, they have a late night flight leaves MIA ~ 9:40PM? Does that flight have good loads, it seems like it would be too late for any connecting traffic.

MIA-STL flights always go out fill. The MIA flight is full of Caribbean connections and O&D. Miami-St. Louis is a big O&D market, with 785 daily passengers.



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25 Post contains images LambertMan : The MIA-STL flight loads are ridiculous, I've rarely seen either of the flights go out with more than a few seats open. I've tried on a number of occ
26 MrSTL : Agreed, I see this on many other city pairs as well, not to mention STL-DFW flights on some days are sold out 100% or close to it so connecting at le
27 BHMNONREV : STL-MIA has historically been a good market. In the pre-deregulation days TWA would run 3-4 flights a day, with Eastern having 1-2 daily non-stops, d
28 Stl1326 : That is an interesting point....I thought they would have brought back the CUN route by now but the question is how well does F9 do on the route with
29 Moman : Should have given me a call and met up for beer while you were here.... It would be neat to see 2x 757, 1x738 on the STL-MIA route. I've flown that 5
30 AJMIA : Yes, I agree it is always very full and I very often see pax with connections booked via TPA, JAX, RSW, ATL, MCO and even DFW and ORD to get back to
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