Theres a new series of podcasts on the 787, 747-8 & 777 which look cool.
Randy also comments on the A380 s first trip to America.
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You’ll probably see a lot of coverage in which the A380 is compared side-by-side with the Boeing 747-8. So, just to be clear, these two airplanes serve different markets - the 747-8 has about 100 fewer seats. We think there’s a market there for both airplanes. It’s just that it happens to be a very small one.
As we’ve seen, some airlines can and will include both airplanes in their fleets. And while the 747-8 (in both passenger and freighter configurations) is doing quite well, with more than 80 orders - since launch less than a year and half ago - we think that 747-and-larger airplanes will only make up 3% of the airplane market over the next 20 years.
Something to keep in mind as many of you get your first look at the A380 this week.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3683 times:
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): (Quoting Randy)You’ll probably see a lot of coverage in which the A380 is compared side-by-side with the Boeing 747-8. So, just to be clear, these two airplanes serve different markets - the 747-8 has about 100 fewer seats. We think there’s a market there for both airplanes. It’s just that it happens to be a very small one.
Funny enough, at the noon CBS Radio news report, they commented on the A380 arriving in JFK and LAX and then said "Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner is also coming along well. It will carry as many people as the A380, but be 20% more efficient because it is lighter."
Maybe the 787-10 is going to be a lot bigger then we all thought...
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3663 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): Funny enough, at the noon CBS Radio news report, they commented on the A380 arriving in JFK and LAX and then said "Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner is also coming along well. It will carry as many people as the A380, but be 20% more efficient because it is lighter."
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): You'll probably see a lot of coverage in which the A380 is compared side-by-side with the Boeing 747-8. So, just to be clear, these two airplanes serve different markets - the 747-8 has about 100 fewer seats.
Correct.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): We think there's a market there for both airplanes.
Correct.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): It's just that it happens to be a very small one.
Too early to say.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): As we've seen, some airlines can and will include both airplanes in their fleets.
The B748i? Only one airline has opted for this Mr Randy.( so far) Maybe you know something we don't.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): And while the 747-8 (in both passenger and freighter configurations) is doing quite well, with more than 80 orders - since launch less than a year and half ago
Exceptionally well.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): we think that 747-and-larger airplanes will only make up 3% of the airplane market over the next 20 years.
Probably. Still too early to say.
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Something to keep in mind as many of you get your first look at the A380 this week.
Was this part really necessary? Randy will always be Randy.
Tristarfreak From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 125 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3594 times:
Randy handled his competition very well as it is about to enter service after these last few tests as for the press and the 787 issue thats just plain funny almost as good as when the reporter thought that the 744 coming to LAX was the A380
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3564 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): Was this part really necessary?
No, I could have done without that line. But you only have to worry about him for a few more weeks, then a whole new bastard will take over...
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3): The press will never get it right!
Last night the local news reported on the plane arriving today and that they were going to land on the new runway which had the concrete thickened to take the extra weight. They had an actual reporter do research for the story, and that's the result.
Just in case anyone doesn't know, the A380 can land on any existing 747 runway as long as any bridges the runway may span can take the weight. The runway itself need not be thickened. The runway at LAX being rebuilt was moved south for the winspan of the A380, and to add a center taxiway to make the whole airport safer than it is now.
Oh well.
Just remember, don't trust the news. If they get so much wrong about stuff you know about, what makes you think they are telling the whole truth or anything close to accurate about topics you don't know about?
Food for thought...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Something to keep in mind as many of you get your first look at the A380 this week.
Was this part really necessary? banghead Randy will always be Randy.
Hi Wings...
...it still wasn't bad....at least he said it was an achievement.....
"As we’ve said all along, the A380 is certainly an achievement. "
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6): Just in case anyone doesn't know, the A380 can land on any existing 747 runway as long as any bridges the runway may span can take the weight. The runway itself need not be thickened. The runway at LAX being rebuilt was moved south for the winspan of the A380, and to add a center taxiway to make the whole airport safer than it is now.
Not quite true, as some runways do not have the shoulders for safe operation... even LAX was showing up to be a bit narrow, though legal. Certainly the A380 should be able to divert to any airport a 744 can divert to, but if the outer engines hang near or over the edge of the shoulders... FOD risk gets excessive and thus at such a place, if the A380 lands, I doubt it would be able to carry passengers on the outbound trip. Which isn't unique since the 747 can divert to airports it can only take off from unloaded with minimum fuel to get to a better airport due to runway length.
WingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2024 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2716 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): we think that 747-and-larger airplanes will only make up 3% of the airplane market over the next 20 years.
Baseler is being selective with his own figures. According to Boeing's latest market forecasts, that's actually 3.6% by number of units (990 units), but a full 10% by value ($260 billion in 2005 dollars)
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4175 posts, RR: 30 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
It's just that it happens to be a very small one.
Too early to say.
Hmmmmmmmmmm....We've been hearing this "too early to say" mantra for a lot of years now. (Personally, I heard it the first time when Phil Condit said the market just isn't there, and that was back in the mid-90s.)
When will the world (and A.net in particular) be able to eventually breath a sigh of relief and conclude that the market is or is not a very small one? Certainly, if we wait long enough the market may materialize, but that won't justify the business case for the A380, which has been burning through EADS/Airbus capital for over ten years now and with a single dollar/euro yet to be earned.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2600 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): As we've seen, some airlines can and will include both airplanes in their fleets.
The B748i? Only one airline has opted for this Mr Randy.( so far) Maybe you know something we don't. Wink
Well he said "can and will include both airplanes" sounds for me that they are in talks serious talks with A380 customers that also will go for the 747-8I. I really hope so both are wonderful aircraft and deserve as much customers as possible.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2341 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6): Just remember, don't trust the news. If they get so much wrong about stuff you know about, what makes you think they are telling the whole truth or anything close to accurate about topics you don't know about?
Words to live by. It amazes me how unprofessional that industry is. If I got so many things wrong on a daily basis, I would be out of a job, and I work for myself!
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
The A380 has sold 160 frames in seven years since launch. I would say that he is probably spot on! I can't imagine how much longer you think it will take to prove what he says.
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 11): When will the world (and A.net in particular) be able to eventually breath a sigh of relief and conclude that the market is or is not a very small one? Certainly, if we wait long enough the market may materialize, but that won't justify the business case for the A380, which has been burning through EADS/Airbus capital for over ten years now and with a single dollar/euro yet to be earned.
Quite right!
Quoting WINGS (Reply 4): as this part really necessary? Randy will always be Randy.
He is talking about the competition after all. Much better than the way Mr. Leahy handled the 787 just recently.
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 10): Baseler is being selective with his own figures. According to Boeing's latest market forecasts, that's actually 3.6% by number of units (990 units), but a full 10% by value ($260 billion in 2005 dollars)
Here is a hard number for you. It will take 420 frames sold in order to recoup the investment on the A380. You can talk about value in dollars (list prices) all you want, but you have to sell individual frames in order to realize those dollars.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 8): Not quite true, as some runways do not have the shoulders for safe operation... even LAX was showing up to be a bit narrow, though legal.
Runways that can land a 747 need not be thickened for the A380 to hold the extra weight. That was the claim of the news reporter was, as I clearly stated.
He also claimed it would land on the new LAX runway. He was wrong, yet he was the reporter assigned to research the story! On one of the top rated news shows in the largest TV market in the USA...
Why are you arguing a completely different point that I didn't make a claim about and telling me I'm wrong?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3182 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 15): Here is a hard number for you. It will take 420 frames sold in order to recoup the investment on the A380. You can talk about value in dollars (list prices) all you want, but you have to sell individual frames in order to realize those dollars.
Actually that's not a hard number at all (sorry). That 420 number was based on a number of factors (such as exchange rate, discount levels, etc.) that still have not come to pass (despite options being converted by carriers since the 420 assumption was put forth). Infact in a recent conference call for Power 8, Airbus has moved all their other planning to an exchange rate, that when applied to the magical 420 number nets about 450 380s for breakeven, irrespective of discounts, etc.
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 17): Infact in a recent conference call for Power 8, Airbus has moved all their other planning to an exchange rate, that when applied to the magical 420 number nets about 450 380s for breakeven, irrespective of discounts, etc.
Glareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1284 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Something to keep in mind as many of you get your first look at the A380 this week.
Everything he said was both factually and politically correct. But this last sentence is like: 'Folks, I know you will be very exited about this mega-jet, but remember it is of no relevance. We, the master geniuses at Boeing company, with myself mastermind Randy in front, are still the only ones who do the right things. So, cool down. It's nothing
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6): No, I could have done without that line. But you only have to worry about him for a few more weeks, then a whole new bastard will take over...
Too bad, I started to like him. That's why I'm surprised by his last sentence. He doesn't need that. Wasn't he better than wiseguy Leahy?
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19): 'Folks, I know you will be very exited about this mega-jet, but remember it is of no relevance.
It is of no relevance. More 747's have been sold since 2000 than A380.
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19): We, the master geniuses at Boeing company, with myself mastermind Randy in front, are still the only ones who do the right things.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3182 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19): Everything he said was both factually and politically correct. But this last sentence is like: 'Folks, I know you will be very exited about this mega-jet, but remember it is of no relevance. We, the master geniuses at Boeing company, with myself mastermind Randy in front, are still the only ones who do the right things. So, cool down. It's nothing
Well actualy it's nothing like that, unless of course you choose to spin it that way. Now if you took your statement removed the hyperbole from it then it might be an accurate re-intrepretation of what he said.. my take on the last sentance for instance is:
"Just remember that while you're hearing about the 380 this week that Boeing is also working on new and exciting products that rival the efficiency and technical achievment of the 380"
So as you can see it's all subjective.
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
EbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1767 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Something to keep in mind as many of you get your first look at the A380 this week.
The truth will always out huh? I was never convinced that Boeing ever played straight or noble. That line is classic passive aggressive. Sooner or later they will start to talk the way they always sell, aggressively.
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16): Runways that can land a 747 need not be thickened for the A380 to hold the extra weight. That was the claim of the news reporter was, as I clearly stated.
yup, thats the case... I wonder how the 748 will fare for pavement loading, since I have not really studied it past a glance at the 744 Vs 748 chart. The new tires lower the loading on the nose gear, but the increase in MTOW increase the main gear loading.
Flysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
Quoting EbbUK (Reply 22): Give me a straight talker anyday.
Is John Leahy your idea of a straight talker?
25 EbbUK: Straighter than the boeing blogger. Absolutely
26 Flysherwood: You mean like when he trashed the idea of a composite aircraft and now suddenly magically Airbus is embracing the use of composites? I cannot believe
27 EI321: Yes we are! I dont have a problem with this article, Randy is doing a good job at what he does. He and Leahy might have their own ways of making thei
28 Iwok: I didn't know he was retiring at the end of April. I missed that one.. iwok
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