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Aer Lingus: Dublin To San Francisco  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Looks like we are getting closer to an official announcement on this.

Quote:

Aer Lingus will connect the two cities with a new non-stop service starting in the autumn.

Minister Cullen unveiled the new route during a meeting with the Mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, as part of an official St Patrick's Day visit to the USA.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0316/breaking78.htm

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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Congradulations to Aer Lingus! Those green birds will look quite nice there too I think.


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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

What a surprize, SJC loses out to SFO again. San Jose should drop its so called sister-city relation with Dublin. Shannon would be more appropriate. I guess we can wait like 20 years when SFO becomes slot restricted to get an international destination besides Mexico.

User currently offlineAC747 From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 277 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

That's going to make my journeys from DUB to YVR much nicer. Instead of going from LHR I can do a SFO run and then hop up home that way.
Great news.
Best of luck to EI on this new route .....and here's to many (well, at least two) more long haul announcements this year !



Haven't we been here before ?
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

Hopefully we will see an announcement from the airline when the new A330s arrive.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

SWEET. I'm transferring home to SFO in 4 weeks. I look forward to seeing Shamrock there. I have for years!!!

EI has a non-rev in me!

ASLAX



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

I hope Miami follows this as the next US destination from Dublin.

User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):

I'd love to see EI here at MIA! But do you think the route will really be profitable?

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting AH332 (Reply 9):
do you think the route will really be profitable?

Not sure what the demand is in the winter months. I would assume the summer months would be a huge boost for EI.

What with all the builders off in July/August, heading over across the pond to catch some rays !!!!!!!



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 10):
What with all the builders off in July/August, heading over across the pond to catch some rays !!!!!!!

Catching rays in San Francisco???

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
I hope Miami follows this as the next US destination from Dublin.

Could happen.


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1. I assume that this flight will operate with A332 equipment?

2. Does the DUB-LAX flight still operate and/or will it be effected by the new SFO service?

3. Whats the deal with the SNN stopover on the new SFO-DUB flights??


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12465 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
1. I assume that this flight will operate with A332 equipment?

2. Does the DUB-LAX flight still operate and/or will it be effected by the new SFO service?

3. Whats the deal with the SNN stopover on the new SFO-DUB flights??

Good morning, Dutchjet:

1. I think so. There is a new A330-300 on order, but that (for reasons best known to EI) is also a -301 model, so it won't have the range for DUB-SFO.

2. DUB-LAX certainly does operate still and indeed, it is being increased for the Summer. It remains to be seen what effect DUB-SFO has on this; we probably won't know until next Summer, although I expect DUB-SFO to be the more popular route.

3. With the coming into force of the new Open Skies regime, a special "phase-out" period applies to the SNN stopover, which means that from October, the stopover drops from the current 1:1 (i.e. one flight from SNN for every one, n/s, from DUB) to 3:1, which effectively means that EI can treble the number of n/s flights from DUB without increasing capacity ex-SNN. This is based on the total number of flights, not by route, so EI can fly to SFO from DUB without introducing any extra flights ex-SNN.

The "3:1" arrangement only lasts until 2009, whereupon we will have full Open Skies!

Quoting AH332 (Reply 9):
I'd love to see EI here at MIA! But do you think the route will really be profitable?

I think that in time, we may well see EI at MIA; however, I expect that the first Florida service will be to MCO, to which EI operated before it cut the route and flew to DXB. The MCO route was very popular, but it had to be operated as a charter and with the SNN stopover regulations still in force, it was messy; they landed in SNN, but just to satisfy regulations, not to pick up pax. It was silly!

In time, I would expect someone to fly to MIA from DUB; could be AA or EI; I was thinking - and this is purely speculation on my part - that both flights could be codeshares, with AA flying the MIA route and EI, to DFW. AA has a huge hub at MIA, which would add to its attractiveness and many Irish people have second homes in Florida.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 3):
What a surprize, SJC loses out to SFO again.

I feel your pain, SJC'. Following the previous threads about AI looking at the Bay Area, and the optimism expressed at that time by SJC folks (you included of course), I, as always, was rooting for the underdogs. It seemed like kind of a long shot -- a smallish foreign flag choosing the smaller of 2 area airports -- but there did seem a chance.

Sorry. You, as those of us in SAN, can stay hopeful for the arrival of the 787s!

bb


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
2. DUB-LAX certainly does operate still and indeed, it is being increased for the Summer. It remains to be seen what effect DUB-SFO has on this; we probably won't know until next Summer, although I expect DUB-SFO to be the more popular route.

Theres really no reason why both cant survive. DUB-LAX isnt going anywhere. Were going daily this summer!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):

I think that in time, we may well see EI at MIA; however, I expect that the first Florida service will be to MCO, to which EI operated before it cut the route and flew to DXB. The MCO route was very popular, but it had to be operated as a charter and with the SNN stopover regulations still in force, it was messy; they landed in SNN, but just to satisfy regulations, not to pick up pax. It was silly!

In time, I would expect someone to fly to MIA from DUB; could be AA or EI; I was thinking - and this is purely speculation on my part - that both flights could be codeshares, with AA flying the MIA route and EI, to DFW. AA has a huge hub at MIA, which would add to its attractiveness and many Irish people have second homes in Florida.

I disagree. Aer Lingus wants to open up Dublin has a prime US<->Europe hub by going into key US<->Europe markets. Orlando is not one of them. Orlando doesn't offer the originating traffic to Europe that Miami does, even though I would assume the Ireland-->Orlando market is larger. It also isn't as great yielding a market. In fact, to Europe, it is a pretty poor performing market. Orlando performed poorly the first time around, no reason to think it will suddenly do better. Orlando-Europe is, after all, largely a charter market in the first place. The flight, IIRC, never stopped in Shannon. It was a charter, and was not regulated by the SNN stopover rule. I am 95% sure it was always MCO-DUB-MCO.

I wouldn't rule out Aer Lingus returning to Orlando, it is very possible, but I think we will see Philadelphia and Miami next.

[Edited 2007-03-21 08:49:19]


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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1476 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

EI seem hell bent on trying to work their way through American cities, with some strange view of the world.

BWI - EI tried twice, good loads but profitability perhaps weak, a better and probably cheaper airport than IAD (rumoured replacement) with additional possibility of meeting needs of passengers in Philadelphia area, with close road and rail links, while IAD is near nowhere else really, except N Virginia / Maryland fringe, so Washington is the point of demand. I travel there very frequently, and EI seem to have very few others using the EI JFK / AA Eagle connection at present, the obvious route with EI, suggesting that actual demand is weak here. Few sane regular business travellers would route by LHR (hell) and clear US immigration at IAD (notoriously bad). Dumped first for 9/11, later to serve MCO.

MCO - the ultimate bucket and spade, low yield, location with no transit or business traffic whatever. What logic was this?

MIA - a touch of the same as MCO, intense competition on price with European airlines, but the hope of some transit traffic to Latin America, regularly features as most disliked airport in the USA, delay prone, visa requirements for transit passengers to S America, compared with a transit in Madrid / AMS etc being free of this hassle.

SFO / SJC - Little business traffic, seasonal. Possible impact on LAX service? (Stretching the very small 330-200 fleet too far?)

PHL - VFR market mainly, fair catchment area, but probably better served from JFK / EWR to North, BWI to south and a competitor with a better feed.


PS: I see EI said there was no adverse reaction to the bag charge, perhaps that is because they seem as reluctant as FR to respond or reply to any messages from customers, even those in the mow highly restricted FF programme.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 14):
Dstc47

I think Dulles would be a better move than Baltimore. Dallas is also an eventual inevitability.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
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Quoting AC747 (Reply 3):
That's going to make my journeys from DUB to YVR much nicer.

HA! Yeah...if you don't get trapped in one of those major weather delays due to low clouds and fog that's typical of SFO.

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 8):
What with all the builders off in July/August, heading over across the pond to catch some rays !!!!!!!

Rays???? What kind of rays???? Ultraviolet rays????

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
I'm transferring home to SFO in 4 weeks.

Welcome back home!!! What made you decide to go back to SFO? Was your stint in LAX temporary?


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
HA! Yeah...if you don't get trapped in one of those major weather delays due to low clouds and fog that's typical of SFO.

I always find it laughable when people bring up this poor excuse. Someone sitting in Fiji must think SFO is in the Artic with the description people always write. It is bright and sunny here at SFO today and has been for a while. Abeit the Spring shower we had yesterday. The place you should be talking about is back East with the Nor Easterners passing through the past month or two causing hundreds of delays.



John@SFO
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
a smallish foreign flag choosing the smaller of 2 area airports -- but there did seem a chance.

You forgot about OAK?!?

SJC is the third busiest airport in the Bay. OAK will most likely get 08 within the next year. I have personally saw reps from BA,LH,CI and BR at SJC over the years and their response to SJC officials was, "Thanks, but no thanks".

EI will compliment SFO growing International traffic quite well. There is a reason why SFO handles 95% of the International traffic into the Bay Area.



John@SFO
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 18):
SJC is the third busiest airport in the Bay. OAK will most likely get 08 within the next year. I have personally saw reps from BA,LH,CI and BR at SJC over the years and their response to SJC officials was, "Thanks, but no thanks".

..the sad thing is SJC is such a great airport to deal with (nonwithstanding a particular A.netter's comments about rental cars being far away in the airport and difficult to get to..)..its very fast and efficient...

..the only problem is that it is too far away from San Francisco itself.....well... its not really too far, but the perception is that its far....

.....if SJC is to compete, they need to offer complementary services to/from SFO-area....at least to/from SFO airport....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

I wonder what the feeder traffic on EI into LHR is going to be like? I.e. SFO-DUB-LHR.

User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 20):
I wonder what the feeder traffic on EI into LHR is going to be like? I.e. SFO-DUB-LHR.

I am not sure why anyone would do that when you can take BA or UA nonstop daily from SFO to LHR. Might be in summertime people want to visit Ireland for a few days and make a stop over, certainly not business or the tourists not interested in Ireland, as I have found both BA and UA to have very good rates and service from SFO.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39876 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

This is good news!
I look forward to seeing the green A330 coming in to SFO.
If for no other reason, diversity of aircraft and airline types at SFO.
The only A330 we get is Northwest. That one flies to Asia and therefore I can't see it fly over my house. Flights bound for Europe do fly over my house.

I am biased in favor of United and Virgin Atlantic but Air Lingus wouldn't hurt them too much.
We have a sizable Irish population here in San Francisco. I am sure Air Lingus would do well here.

This also makes it easier for those from Dublin, Ca to get to Dublin, Ireland.  Smile



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User currently offlineTrolle From Denmark, joined May 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

I wonder if they took a longer look at OAK since that is where B6 is operating and EI and B6 do have an agreement in the works. Would have been a step in the right direction.

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 21):
I am not sure why anyone would do that when you can take BA or UA nonstop daily from SFO to LHR. Might be in summertime people want to visit Ireland for a few days and make a stop over, certainly not business or the tourists not interested in Ireland, as I have found both BA and UA to have very good rates and service from SFO.

Well, price would be a big factor. Also, DUB offers US pre-clearance which a lot of people like!


25 EI321 : I hope that EI can get a few more US / Africa / Asia destinations going and finally offer a proper connecting product between mainland USA / Europe &
26 SJCRRPAX : Unless EI wants to lose money on the flight, I really don't see them under cutting UA or BA, I have gotten real low fares from both of those carriers
27 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : Good news to hear. Though I've always wondered why EI doesn't go to IAD, but rather BWI. I imagine they can get better loads out of IAD with connectio
28 SJCRRPAX : EI choose San Francisco, because everybody loves the San Francisco name. If it wasn't for the San Francisco Name, OAK years ago would have take a sig
29 Legacyins : True that the majority of the flight might be O&D but there will be those transiting onto QF,NZ and AS to Vancouver. Domestically, SEA,Portland,Reno,
30 Raggi : Is this really true? I would be very surprised if the new ones were not a -303X and a -203. raggi
31 Shamrock350 : The -200 will be a 203 but the -300 is still down as a 301. No idea why EI would order that.
32 SJCRRPAX : My point was that their was no advantage of being close to B6, since they basically only go to the east coast from OAK. I wonder how many people woul
33 Vega : I believe the only cities EI has actually publicly mentioned are SFO, MIA , PHL and just recently since the B6 relationship announcement, IAD. Everywh
34 COEI2007 : Again, Ireland doesnt have a large populations, but it doesnt stop us Irish flying a lot, or Americans visiting the Emerald Isle in droves. I dont th
35 EI321 : The cities you mention are the top of the list, EI have had a long term plan to eventually serve the following cities in the Atates (note - I might b
36 Sllevin : I've never had really bad waits at immigration at SFO -- certainly not enough to make up for the time lost with a connecting flight -- especially sin
37 Post contains images Vega : I remember that extended "wish" list on EI's agenda to become the new LHR
38 Post contains links Kaitak : Orlando is No2 on the list, according to the airport (and I'm presuming EI has told them!) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin....story?coll=orl-busi
39 Vega : " target=_blank>http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...lines I wonder if this is outside of Open Skies consideration and just a "restart". Particularl
40 Kaitak : I don't think they would do both MIA and MCO; the MCO route, when last operated, was a big success in terms of pax numbers, although it was operated i
41 JoePatroni : It will be great to see EI's A330's at SFO. Now if we can only get something from SAS. That'd be nice.
42 AS739X : Any idea on an official announcment date? There are multiple reasons I am returning to SFO. I'll message you ASLAX
43 EI321 : Just heard an interview with an aviation anaylist that discussed EI's new US routes. The order is: 1. San Fransisco 2. Orlando 3. Washington Dulles...
44 Pilot21 : Just confirmed, Aer Lingus will launch 3 new routes in Autumn/Winter of 2007 San Fran Orlando Dulles San Fran will be the first one to start in Oct of
45 Kaitak : Terrific news! We're rolling. It kind of feels like a release of pent-up excitement and relief after so many years of frustration and false starts.
46 ThrottleHold : The new A330-300 arriving is a higher weight model and will have the range to make the west coast destinations.
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