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CO 777 Aborts Takeoff At EWR  
User currently offlineABQ757 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 293 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19569 times:

A Continental 777 aborted it's takeoff at EWR CO84 to Tel Aviv. Saw it on CBS News 2.

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User currently offlineFlightShadow From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19481 times:

Why do Aborted take-offs make the news?


"When the tide goes out, you can tell who was skinnydipping."
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19399 times:

Because it was a slow news day in NY most likely since JetBlue didn't have anything happen today!  Smile

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 1):
Why do Aborted take-offs make the news

But still a good question and begs another....why a simple abort gets posts here and why do I read them?  Confused



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19336 times:

Mx issue, flight leaving estimated to leave now @ 1830.


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 19295 times:

Update...1930 depature (estimated), aircraft change.

Also apparent civil stikes in TLV? Possible delays and cancellations as a result. According to our res system.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 19254 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
Also apparent civil stikes in TLV? Possible delays and cancellations as a result. According to our res system

Flying England support to be hit by Tel Aviv airport strike

A general strike will close Tel Aviv's main airport to most international flights from tomorrow and could lead to long delays for England fans travelling over for Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier with Israel. The England team's flight will not be affected, however, as the general workers' union has promised to allow it to land.
The strike could last for days and with as many as 5000 England fans expected, many due on Thursday and Friday, chaos is a distinct prospect

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2038148,00.html


User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3404 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18656 times:
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Ship 017 had some engine issue  ill  (exactly what is unknown) Swap to Ship 008
Now airborne.. ETA 1400 Late 5.45



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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18190 times:

According to a news report quoted on a FlyerTalk thread, there was an uncontained engine failure during the (aborted) takeoff roll, and the a/c is now out of service.

What does this do to aircraft availability for other flights? Does CO have operational spare 772 capacity?


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17355 times:

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 1):
Why do Aborted take-offs make the news?

They showed this briefly on the news last night. This was not just a simple aborted take-off, it was a major incident From what I understand, one engine blew up and scattered pieces all over the runaway. They showed a picture of the plane with what appeared to be a collapsed front landing gear. To me this is major news and I am surprised I can't info any info on it in the web.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17241 times:

blew an engine rolling down the runway..............runway was closed for atleast 5 hours when i left work checking for debris.....


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineEWRATC From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16626 times:

listen to the tape it is a little past halfway. http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kewr/KEWR-Mar-20-2007-2030Z.mp3


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16435 times:

Quoting EWRATC (Reply 10):
listen to the tape it is a little past halfway

Christ  eek 



Lee



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16302 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
They showed a picture of the plane with what appeared to be a collapsed front landing gear.

Thank You! I saw it briefly on tv last night and the picture didn't have the whole plane, and the angle was suggesting a collapsed landing gear, I remembered seeing the thread before hand, and ran to the computer thinking that the thread would be full of replies and pictures, but to my amazement it was more like people complaining about "the incident making the news" so I thought I saw just a bad angle etc.
Can anyone confirm the gear collapse, and if its true what are the extent of the damage to the AC? I will search for pictures, if anyone finds any I would appreciate if they can post it here.
I'm glad no one is hurt.



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User currently offlineGreggerm From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16293 times:

Listening to the MP3, start listening at 19:45 - Continental 84 gets his clearance for takeoff very shortly after. The incident occurs at 20:49ish...

Interesting listening for certain!

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:10:22]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16189 times:

sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.


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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16144 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.

Jeez....scary stuff


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15896 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 12):

there was no gear collapse.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15769 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident

Um, no?



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15771 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident.

Very unnecessary and highly speculative. MH had one to out of ZRH (pics too), neither an accident or fatal. Totally uncalled for.

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:34:34]


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15714 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 16):
here was no gear collapse.

Thanks for the clarification CALMSP. I knew you or EWRCABINCREW would clarify.
I'm trying to find the video online, the way they showed it and the angle was very tricky to my eyes obviously. Thanks again for the clarification.
You know anything else about the a/c condition and how long will it be out of service. Thanks

[Edited 2007-03-21 16:28:52]


Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineCoolGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15713 times:

It always amazes me how well the controllers and pilots handle themselves.

User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15400 times:

Quoting CoolGuy (Reply 20):
It always amazes me how well the controllers and pilots handle themselves.

Efficiency, calmness, professionalism are the three words I thought of when listening to that...


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15356 times:

Kudos to that EWR controller for handling the traffic backup during this situation. Very well trained and professionally done! Shows how vital it is keeping calm and doing your job when an anomaly pops up like this one.

-N243NW Big grin



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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15081 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
sounds like CO was very close to having a fatal accident. good thing everyone is safe.

That seems rather sensational to me. As the abort occurred rather early in the take off roll, how can you draw such a conclusion?



A little bit louder now, a lil bit louder now...
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
Very unnecessary and highly speculative. MH had one to out of ZRH (pics too), neither an accident or fatal. Totally uncalled for.

What is your problem?

They had an uncontained engine failure with pieces all over the place on takeoff. This is the absolute worst time to have such an incident and CO did a good job to keep the plane safe. Just last month an uncontained failure on takeoff (from luggage into the engine) led to a crash of a jet near my house at VNY.

Please, please, please explain to me why saying that they averted a catastrophe is uncalled for? I don't get it.

I'm a big CO fan, silver or gold depending on the year, but I've lost a little respect for you personally by that defensive attitude.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Skyhawk62507 : What engine type does Continental use on its 777-200ERs?
26 Qantas744ER : GE 90-94B engines up to alittle while ago they used to be -90B but they wer eupgraded to a higher thrust rating from 90,000 to 94,000Lbs of thrust Le
27 Skyhawk62507 : Thanks!
28 EWRCabincrew : Your exact words were Unless you were flying the plane and were there (and as a bystander here) it was a highly speculative statement. MH had the sam
29 DZ09 : I still find it strange that there is absolutely nothing about this in the news except for that 5 seconds in the evening news. Maybe this is not newsw
30 ArcrftLvr : You bring up a good point. I was going to post a thread about how we encountered some light to moderate chop at FL330 yesterday....but then I thought
31 CoolGuy : Let me just make sure: the 777 and all other aircraft are designed to still lift off and return to the airport in the event of an engine failure at an
32 ULMFlyer : Agree 100%. A little off topic, but anyone who thinks a controller at that type of facility should make less than AT LEAST 150k a year is insane. If
33 A340Spotter : Yes. But not just at any point on takeoff. Once the crew reaches V1, the go/no-go decision point based on numerous factors (runway length, obstacle c
34 Bingo : Wow that audio clip was amazing. Thanks for posting it. I think the comments on fatalities were unjust. I think it was CO and ATC's finest hour (that
35 Jfk777 : I'm surprised the engine shattered, CO's 777 are fairly new and I don't think this ever happened to a GE90 before. Thank GOD this happened at Newark w
36 DiscoverCSG : Thank GOD this happened on the ground when the plane was travelling slowly enough to stop before reaching the end of the runway. Thank GE for designi
37 EWRCabincrew : And a huge thanks to the entire crew for a job well done.
38 DAL1044 : I've checked all the online news outlets I can think of and still nothing reported. Usually the media would jump on this type of story to hype it up l
39 CLE757 : Umm. I dont think engine failure is close to having a fatal accident...great job to the crew and ATC controller.
40 Jerald01 : As previously stated, not at just ANY point on takeoff. If an engine malfunctions during initial full-power-up you probably won't be able to get to V
41 COEWR : Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Ship 017 the newest in the fleet? -C
42 Post contains links DAL1044 : "Traffic at Newark Liberty International Airport was slightly disrupted Tuesday afternoon after the right engine of a Continental Airlines jet shatter
43 Stevev1000 : Anyone had a chance to get some pics of what happened.
44 Post contains links and images Jonvesi : You Gotta love those newspapers: [ THE RECORD ], for coming up with catchy headliners; " Ruptured plane engine delays Newark airport traffic ". ref: h
45 Readytotaxi : That guy in the Tower certainly worked hard there, way to go.
46 DiscoverCSG : Not meaning to take away from the well-deserved compliment, but isn't ATC at a major airport usually that busy?
47 CoolGuy : I heard the controller ask an aircraft on approach to 29 to go around soon thereafter. Sounds like that was a precaution since you can't tell immediat
48 Azstagecoach : Wow. Can someone explain how the 777 is uniquely designed to cope with uncontained failues-- I read somewhere that it was the built-in design features
49 Bingo : Usually that busy ? Yes...just listen to the ATC feeds during any rush at any large airport like that. What makes this so special was how he kept his
50 71Zulu : What happens to the cockpit crew in this situation? Providing they still have enough on-duty hours remaining after the aircraft swap, would they conti
51 EWRCabincrew : The entire crew (front and back) went to TLV late. Just a long duty day for all concerned. Their duty day was 17:40. Well within their legal limits.
52 Post contains images RJpieces : Out of curiousity, how much do they make? Any speculation yet as to what caused this? Indeed. Isn't CO's 777 fleet pretty much maxed out these days?
53 EWRCabincrew : I can see a few things. With scheduled flying time, they were still legal to go. In the air, they lost some time and still went. Once airborne, CO wi
54 Gigneil : I don't see why you'd say that. I'm sure many GE 777s have experienced failures like this. It is a nonevent, that's why we've never heard of it. They
55 KAUSpilot : If they were smart they would have called it a day. Let's say the crew makes a careless error on the ensuing flight, resulting in an incident or acci
56 SixtySeven : Rejects can be put into two categories. Low/High speed. A low speed reject can be accomplished for any number of things without jeopardy. High speed r
57 Post contains images IAHcsr : Ship 017 is the second newest.. and as of the 23rd it will be the third newest.. FYI..the engine involved could very be years older then the aircraft
58 10Driver : Nice explaination, Jerald01. I would only take issue with the having to "decide if you are close enough to V1" part. In all my training there was nev
59 MCOflyer : Agreed. EWRCabincrew, Thanks for providing such vital details. It helps to know someone like you is there for those pax. MCOflyer
60 Post contains images Mush : Holy Moly!!! I didn't realize that ATC was that confusing . I knew they were busy...but listening to it gives me a whole new appreciation for the job
61 SixtySeven : 10Driver: It must be nice having 4 1/2 seconds of fudge time to figure things out. Boeing doesn't use any of that in any of their data. I would assume
62 Mir : Possibly also to let the fire trucks cross 29 (the ARFF is on the north side of the field on the airport diagram) without having to worry about traff
63 Aeroperu : Kudos to all involved. Very professional!
64 Post contains links RedFlyer : Here's a nice video showing a Russian crash when the engine failed just at rotation at the ensuing disastrous consequences. http://www.youtube.com/wa
65 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Neither do others.....the event is an emergency that is all. OH has anyone mentioned that a B772 does quite well on 1 engine if need be so had they a
66 10Driver : It varies pretty widely, as our takeoff weight can be anywhere from 300K to 590K, though I don't recall any as high as 165. In the 150's, I believe a
67 SixtySeven : 10Driver. Okay I think I've got you now. Boeing does say that the reject must be initiated by V1. The aircraft may still accelerate past that speed du
68 Aileron11 : If the F/A refused to go because of not being legal, then why would they get fired if the rules are from the F.A.A.? I dont think the feds would like
69 Post contains images Mir : Go to LiveATC.net, look for some of the tapes of incidents at JFK. There's a recent one of a blown tire on the runway. See if the controllers there d
70 EWRCabincrew : We're not as strictly governed as the pilots are. We are far more expendable than pilots.
71 Post contains links AirplaneCrazy : I have never heard of a GE90 having an engine containment failure, and cannot find any references to a similar event. Can you provide a link to such
72 Aileron11 : [quote=EWRCabincrew,reply=70]We're not as strictly governed as the pilots are. We are far more expendable than pilots[/quot both, F/a and pilots are i
73 EWRCabincrew : You're right, but that is the reality.
74 Trex8 : could this affect their etops operations?? their fleet is not huge, a small number of incidents may put them over the threshold
75 10Driver : Sorry...I meant to get into this in my last post. We do not have autobrakes, (a neat feature I'd have liked to see!) but we do have auto-spoilers. Si
76 Post contains images Bingo : Man...Moment...Machine...3 things that dont allow you to compare the 2 incidents. Apples to Oranges...I feel that had that been the 777, the plane wo
77 SixtySeven : 10Driver: An interesting point. We have brake temp monitors on our EICAS but they're pretty useless. As you know brake temps can take 30 minutes to pe
78 Post contains links FlyHoss : Here's a link to an article with a little different information. According to this article, it was not an uncontained failure: http://www.flightglobal
79 SixtySeven : An uncontained failure is when parts leave the cowl and start tearing up the fuselage, wings etc. When an engine eats itself, it's going to leave debr
80 Azstagecoach : the engine could be years older than the aircraft? how is this possible?
81 Bingo : Just do a search for the pictures from that American 762 at LAX last year. I believe the frame was scrapped.
82 DiscoverCSG : If this was one of CO's newer birds, I suppose it could have been swapped off an older frame. But even so, it can't be THAT old, because the GE90 was
83 Pygmalion : Standard practice at quite a few airlines is to swap one new engine off a new airframe with a midtime used one... The reason is that you want the eng
84 Jerald01 : As to whether or not this incidence was “newsworthy”, one has to consider the perspective of the observer. To seasoned aircrew members it may be j
85 EWRCabincrew : There in lies the key word: properly. Properly and the media never go hand in hand. At least at first, when it comes to aviaton. Sensationalism will
86 IAHcsr : Well it's not 51 EWREZE anymore.. It's CO 56 EWRCDG .. And it's out of the gate now... It would seem the damage to the aircraft was minor (if any) an
87 Post contains images Gregarious119 : I'm no mechanic....but changing out a 777 engine seems like it would be far from simple. However You're point is well taken. It's probably much less
88 Lincoln : Did I miss some evidence of "coercion"? The only thing I saw in this thread about management being involved was in EWRCabinCrew's post that it was a
89 Mush : So does anyone know if this beautiful bird made a nice, boring, and safe trip to CDG? I would be interested to know if she had any ill effects from th
90 Warowl40 : So will GE pick up any of the bill for the engine failure? Just curious as to what type of "warranty" airlines get with the engines that come on thier
91 CALMSP : the bird is in EZE right now, and will be making the trip home tonight.
92 KAUSpilot : In my opinion it's unethical for an airline to do anything but insist that the flight crew take the remainder of the day off. Anything else likely am
93 LTBEWR : A engine failure like happened on takeoff like this flight is still a serious incident especially for the effects at a very busy airport like EWR and
94 Airmech56 : It's absolutely amazing how ignorant people could be. You should stick with piloting your pc or mac, armchair captain. It WAS NOT an uncontained fail
95 Post contains images Bingo : I think it went something like this....Go home and have an extra trip this month (to make up for this one) or suck it up and take this trip. Pay now
96 Jahmike : So does anyone know if this beautiful bird made a nice, boring, and safe trip to CDG? I would be interested to know if she had any ill effects from t
97 KAUSpilot : Yup, economics at the cost of safety. Everything has a price I suppose.
98 IAHcsr : ... And it's now on it's way back to CDG again tonight..
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