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747F For Formula 1 Cars From EU To OZ  
User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5478 times:

Along with Aviation and Motorcycling, Formula 1 is a massive passion for me  checkeredflag   bouncy 

I was wondering if anyone had any info on the multiple 747Fs that the Formula One Management used to transport the Formula 1 cars and equipment for the first race of the season from Europe to MEL...

Does anyone know where the cars and equipment are loaded from? Is it LHR (for Williams, McLaren, Renault, etc) and then say FRA for the continent-based teams (BMW, Toyota, Ferrari, etc)?

Who operates the flights? What's the routing for the flight?

Any info on when everything'll be heading to KUL next?

Cheers,


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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

This question comes up at the same time every year.

I believe the contract differs to who transports them, but the FIA generally require a couple of 747s if I remember rightly. I also remember once it had to go through AMS, as apparently it was the only place that had a big enough xray to scan some of the boxes.

Just use the search on here, it will answer your question.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31117 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5405 times:
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Most F1 teams are based in England, so I expect most of them go from there. Ferrari (Italy), Renault (France) and Toyota (Germany) probably get their lift from a continental airport or they "pre-ship" to London.

When FX was a title sponser of CART (Champ Car), they used two MD-11Fs to haul the cars and equipment. They had special dual-deck car storage units that were on pallets. I expect F1 uses the same.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

How to the articulated F1 trucks fit into a 747, is there enough clearance?

User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Melbourne F1 (by Bearcuban12 Mar 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)
F1 Shipping Costs? (by Swisskloten Jan 15 2005 in Civil Aviation)
Formula 1 Airplanes (by EMBTucano Apr 4 2004 in Civil Aviation)
How Does Ferrari Fly? (by VCE Mar 3 2004 in Civil Aviation)
Formula One Flights To Indianapolis (by AM Sep 20 2003 in Civil Aviation)
Formula 1 Flights (by AM Mar 1 2003 in Civil Aviation)

Just a few I picked out by searching F1...

One of them is sure to answer your question.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

For Melbourne some teams had chartered 3 Carolux 747-400F freighters to fly to AVV for the race. They chose AVV because keeping the plane on the ground in AVV is way cheaper for 4-5 days than in MEL.

Planes were:

LX-UCV
LX-FCV
LX-VCV

Leo



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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
How to the articulated F1 trucks fit into a 747, is there enough clearance?

I am pretty sure they don't fly them or the motorhome things out to the flyaways.

They normally debut at the European races. At one time it was all about who could have the most impressive trailers and mobile hospitality 'structures' at the start of European season in Imola.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
How to the articulated F1 trucks fit into a 747, is there enough clearance?

I believe so. Wheres that new 777F when we need them. I expect we'll see them in the near future hauling these trucks and cars.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

I know that for flyaway races the team need to gather their equipment early on and be ready to ship out either the Tuesday or Wed before the race (perhaps even earlier if they need to transport to a central location like AMS). I remember like 3 or 4 years ago that a Ferrari mechanic had to transport a portion of the front wing of Schumacher's car as a carry on because the piece came out of the factory too late!

Cheers!


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31117 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5369 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
How to the articulated F1 trucks fit into a 747, is there enough clearance?

The fancy transporters don't come on the "fly-away" races.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 8):
I know that for flyaway races the team need to gather their equipment early on and be ready to ship out either the Tuesday or Wed before the race (perhaps even earlier if they need to transport to a central location like AMS). I remember like 3 or 4 years ago that a Ferrari mechanic had to transport a portion of the front wing of Schumacher's car as a carry on because the piece came out of the factory too late!

I am pretty sure there is a video on the net somewhere of Mclaren preparing for a fly away. It shows the car been taken apart and boxed up. Everything the team takes out had to be put in huge boxes, it was then trucked off to the airport to be flown out.

It was interesting - I can't remember where I saw it. It wasn't on YouTube, but perhaps it is now. There was also other Mclaren videos on that site if anyone knows which I mean.

Adam


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31117 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
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Quoting BA757 (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure there is a video on the net somewhere of Mclaren preparing for a fly away. It shows the car been taken apart and boxed up. Everything the team takes out had to be put in huge boxes, it was then trucked off to the airport to be flown out. It was interesting - I can't remember where I saw it.

For the USGP, SPEED Channel often sends Steve Matchett into the pits to show folks how the F1 teams prepare and ship for the "fly aways" so perhaps it was that?


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
For the USGP, SPEED Channel often sends Steve Matchett into the pits to show folks how the F1 teams prepare and ship for the "fly aways" so perhaps it was that?

No it was definately in the UK, I am sure it was the Mclaren team, however seeing as I can't even remember which site it was on, it could have been any one of the UK based teams. Unless of course they sent him to the UK to film it.

Adam


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1331 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Not a great expert on this but can confirm for the European races, those teams based in the UK use left hand drive trucks to move their equipment and cars around. For those races outside Europe, the cars are stripped down and freighted out from Stansted. Lufthansa and MAS were the main providers in the 1990's, though this may have changed. Usually FIA pick up the F1 teams' tab for transport costs.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Renault (France)

FYI, RenaultF1 is based in the U.K. It used to be Bennetton.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31117 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5083 times:
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 14):
FYI, RenaultF1 is based in the U.K. It used to be Bennetton.

I'm aware they are the former Benetton team, but I thought they took the chassis development team to France to join the engine development team there when they took full control. Guess not.  Smile


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

TF-AMI was also noted at AVV with F1 gear on-board operating for Cargolux.

User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
Just use the search on here, it will answer your question.

Oh bugger. My fault, I didn't even think of searching this topic before posting, I guess I was too excited after the first race. I usually search extensively before posting. Sorry.  embarrassed 

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 5):
They chose AVV because keeping the plane on the ground in AVV is way cheaper for 4-5 days than in MEL.

So you mean that those Cargolux planes were sitting still for 5 days at AVV? Couldn't they do some regional runs during the down time?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
I thought they took the chassis development team to France

As stated, I believe when Renault took over they provided mainly the drive train and absorbed the chassis development from Benetton and are thus based at the old Benetton site. You can also see how Alonso and Fisi were based in England last year.



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 17):
So you mean that those Cargolux planes were sitting still for 5 days at AVV? Couldn't they do some regional runs during the down time?

Since TF-AMI was also there operating for Cargolux mking a total of 4 planes from CV in AVV.

BTW i just found out LX-VCV and TF-AMI hopped over to MEL and then did the MEL-AKL scheduled flight 4 times

Leo



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

I remember just 1 day before the Indy-GP last year, I checked-in two guys from McLaren and they had 6 crates of car spares between them, including 2 new gearboxes! They were going to pay £660 excess baggage, (£110 per piece) however, as a life-long McLaren fan, I simply had to waive the charges...  Wink

User currently offlineQantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting Jammin (Thread starter):
I was wondering if anyone had any info on the multiple 747Fs that the Formula One Management used to transport the Formula 1 cars and equipment for the first race of the season from Europe to MEL...

Can't say much coz I don't know much, but what I do know is that an Atlas B747-400F (can't remember which one, would have to look at the photos) arrived at AVV between two flying displays for the airshow yesterday (21 March), stayed for about two hours and left again with a load of F1 cars on board. I had the "bad luck" (not!!) of being right on the fence as she took off!!!

Cheers,

Rowan



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3111 times:
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Quoting Jammin (Thread starter):
Does anyone know where the cars and equipment are loaded from?

Typically STN for the UK based teams, while another plane picks up the teams based elsewhere in Europe (Toyota, Ferrari and BMW this year, if I'm not mistaken). In the past, both LUX and FRA were used at one time or another for this "continental" lift and it would also carry a load of spare tires for Michelin, but I don't know where they will take off from this year.

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 13):
Usually FIA pick up the F1 teams' tab for transport costs.

A team needs to have collected at least one point in the preceding year's championship, else it's stuck with the tab.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
I believe so. Wheres that new 777F when we need them. I expect we'll see them in the near future hauling these trucks and cars.

Fully half of the trucks carry equipment that is not essential to the race, such as a fully equipped kitchen, offices, hospitality suites, etc.... Several teams have custom-made trucks that deploy to build a reception hall to entertain VIP, sponsors and their customers. I believe that McLaren alone has seven such trucks that carry not a single widget used in a car... The furthest they go is to Turkey (by ferry from Italy) and even that is too far for most teams who need a week to drive everything down from the UK. On "fly-away" races, race organizers are expected to provide the necessary facilities (permanent or not) to make up for the impossibility to bring all that "extra" freight along.



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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 18):
BTW i just found out LX-VCV and TF-AMI hopped over to MEL and then did the MEL-AKL scheduled flight 4 times

That's what I would've thought they'd be doing  airplane 

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 19):
as a life-long McLaren fan, I simply had to waive the charges...

Awesome. Good on ya for supporting the team, all though I'm sure they really don't need the financial support, lol  bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 21):
Typically STN for the UK based teams,

Excellent. Thanx for that tit-bit.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 7):
I believe so. Wheres that new 777F when we need them. I expect we'll see them in the near future hauling these trucks and cars.

Everything is loaded onto pallots. Certain non-essential items are sent by sea. Transporters and motorhomes are not taken to fly away races.

Quoting Jammin (Thread starter):
Formula 1 is a massive passion for me

How come we've not seen you in the F1 threads in non-av?


User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 23):
How come we've not seen you in the F1 threads in non-av?

Awesome, so there are a lot of F1 fans on here, huh... Well, the few minutes I get each day to surf freely, I spend in the Civ Av board. I try to make it to Trip Reports once in a while, but now looks like I need to head over to Non-av and also Tech-ops. There's just not enough hours in the day!  hissyfit 



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