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Lufthansa May Move Moscow Airport  
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

ATW ONline reports that LH may move from SVO to DME. OS recently made this move and other Star airlines serving DME include bmi and SQ

The same reports indicates SAS are also considering this move


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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
ATW ONline reports that LH may move from SVO to DME. OS recently made this move and other Star airlines serving DME include bmi and SQ

Swiss International moved to DME already several years ago and would be a Star Alliance member as well (and is even owned by LH)



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 1):
Swiss International moved to DME already several years ago and would be a Star Alliance member as well (and is even owned by LH

Yes, I was wondering if Swiss would have to change back to SVO or if LH will come to DME. A few months ago I flew in to SVO with LH and back with LX from DME. I liked DME definitely better.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

DME seems to be the airport of choice for many airlines, even Middle Eastern carriers such as EK and QR fly there instead of SVO.

A few years back, JU made the comment that it would stay at SVO as it is its codeshare partner's (SU) hub.



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5776 times:
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Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
ATW ONline reports that LH may move from SVO to DME. OS recently made this move and other Star airlines serving DME include bmi and SQ

The same reports indicates SAS are also considering this move

Unbelievable until I see it.

Several times I heard it in Lufthansa team members and always were false information.

Wait and see....



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5748 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
Unbelievable until I see it.

Not unbelievable at all because most Star carriers are already there and it is the better airport.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
Lufthansa May Move Moscow Airport

I got the impression from your title that LH was going to hitch a towbar to the airport and move it somewhere! Big grin Big grin

Back to topic, it does seem to make sense to have all of the alliance partners in the same location, surprised it wasn't done some time ago.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5691 times:

Would be bad news for me since Sheremetyevo is very close to where I need to go in Moscow. No way I'm taking again Lufthansa to Moscow if they switch to Domodedovo. It takes me half a day best case  Wink


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5651 times:
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
I got the impression from your title that LH was going to hitch a towbar to the airport and move it somewhere!

I was itching to post something similar and then thought "no , just once in your life try to act age " Big grin glad to see somebody let themselves give in to the urge .

anyway , it seems to make a lot of sense for two reasons both already mentioned :

1/ try to get all your alliance partners under one roof

2/ from everyone I have spoken to DME is far better than SVO


and a third one which hasn't been mentioned yet

3 / isnt Domodedovo Airlines part of the AiRUnion group which has been tipped as a potential Star member ? If so
makes sense to base yourself at your (future) local partners hub for best connections



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5501 times:

Are there any plans to renovate Sheremetyevo-2 once Aeroflot and friends move to SVO-3? Most of the carriers that have moved from SVO to DME have cited SVO-2's poor condition as their reason for leaving. Once SU moves into their new digs, it seems like it might make sense to spruce up SVO-2, and try to stem the flood of airlines leaving for Domodedovo.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

BA also moved from SVO to DME a couple of years ago.

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
and a third one which hasn't been mentioned yet

Is that airport Moscow's like London LTN, Paris BVA, Frankfurt Hann, Olso Torp, Stockholms Skvasta, Copenhagen MMX?



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

From what i heard, LX is VERY happy about their move to DME, not that it's just a better airport than SVO, but they seem to save a lot of money as opposed to when they operated to SVO. Now with the close synergies between LX and LH, it's just logical that LH would follow LX to DME, seeing their great success there.

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
and it is the better airport.

Wait until SVO is fully re-modeled. Once Terminal 3 opens and Terminal 2 gets its full overhaul it will be a great airport. The brand new Terminal 1 opened as well. As far as LH moving...it might happen. Nothing raelly bad about it. Star Alliance might like DME as an airport better than SVO. And saying that... it's good to have one alliance in one place.
SVO will definitely be a SkyTeam airport, so it will all play out.

Moscow has 3 international airports, all of which are getting major overhauls and service a huge amount of passengers each. Vnukovo is also gaining immense popularity amongst pax. What can I say, for a huge city like Moscow, with a lot of demand, 3 airports isn't a bad thing.

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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 13):
Nothing raelly bad about it. Star Alliance might like DME as an airport better than SVO. And saying that... it's good to have one alliance in one place.
SVO will definitely be a SkyTeam airport, so it will all play out.

It really could be that SVO becomes the Sky Team and DME the Star Alliance airport.


User currently offlineCorsair1107 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

for the uninitiated, like myself, what are the pro's and con's of each airport? Is it an LHR vs. LGW kind of deal where one is close in to the city center compared to the other?


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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

The Moscow airports are quite far away from the city centre, Sheremetyevo approximately 30 kilometers northwest and Domodedovo 48 kilometers south. Vnukovo is 30 kilometers southwest and Bykovo is 35 kilometers southeast...

I think Sheremetyevo is not that bad but that's only my personal opinion.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 16):
I think Sheremetyevo is not that bad but that's only my personal opinion.

I didnt mean to bash SVO when i said that DME is better, its just that i have heard a lot of horror-stories about SVO as opposed to DME, but i cant really judge as ive never been to either of both! I'm planning to do so though Big grin


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

I heard many horror stories as well about SVO, every travel guide mentions at least 100 times that it would be one of the worst airports in Europe...I was positively surprised and had no problems at all.

I think it would be a good opportunity for Star Alliance to serve both airports, LX/OS to DME and LH to SVO. Not sure if someone living in the north of Moscow is driving 80 kilometers through Moscow traffic just to fly Star Alliance from DME...(it took us a good hour from North Moscow to North Moscow-SVO Big grin ).

How's the domestic SVO terminal nowadays? I will connect through it in summer.

@Sandro: don't forget to take at least one Tupolev flight when you're there  Wink



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

As I already wrote, I flew in at SVO and left at DME. Because I only was once at each airport I can't really judge. But as RJ100 said SVO is not too bad. Actually I arrived at about 0430 (two hours late from MUC) and there weren't too many people so I could pass immigration in about 10 min and the luggage came quickly. Everything was a little old fashioned Soviet style but this didn't bother me. I did not have any problems at SVO at this time of the night. DME on the other hand is a little more modern, everything went smooth. At the security check you could sit on a bench and take your shoes of and use kind of disposal socks.

User currently offlineThaiaggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting Humberside (Thread starter):
ATW ONline reports that LH may move from SVO to DME. OS recently made this move and other Star airlines serving DME include bmi and SQ

The same reports indicates SAS are also considering this move

TG, another *A, also serves DME



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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Aeroflot Cargo hub is DME, right?

User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

SVO is bad, no question. The list is long but the most pressing issues are:
- check-in AFTER customs. In most places one can check-in and still spend some time in non-sterile zone;
- bad ground transportation (the train from Savjolovskaya station they advertise is not a reasonable option);
- inconvenient transfers to domestic flights.

Some of the above may get fixed with opening of SVO-3. Domodedovo does not have any of these issues.

Back to the topic, I have heard that most important thing for LH is the early morning slot. They wanted 7am flights to Gemany and that was an issue before.



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User currently offlineCPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
I got the impression from your title that LH was going to hitch a towbar to the airport and move it somewhere!

It was actually done 7 years ago in CPH, when the old terminal was moved 3.8 km on a special designed vehicle  Smile


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 22):
SVO is bad, no question. The list is long but the most pressing issues are:
- check-in AFTER customs. In most places one can check-in and still spend some time in non-sterile zone;
- bad ground transportation (the train from Savjolovskaya station they advertise is not a reasonable option);
- inconvenient transfers to domestic flights.

You forgot to mention taxi prices Big grin... rumours have it that some tourists needed to pay 150$ to go from terminal 1 to terminal 2. Big grin Big grin Well, after all, Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world  Wink (great place though, cannot repeat myself enough times!  Smile )



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25 Post contains images Aeroflot777 : You mean the brand new one that opened a few weeks ago? It's supposed to be superb. I've heard great reviews already. It has a few dozen passport con
26 Post contains images UN_B732 : I have nothing against SVO .. until after a long flight, you find yourself on Leningradskoe Shosse traffic. It's a little old, but really SVO is not b
27 Post contains images SandroZRH : haha, that goes without saying! And thanks to your website, i can easily find out who to fly with
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