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User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13509 times:

Anybody know which airlines logo are shown on this prototype?
Please accurate info only.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0392286/M/

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5673 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13502 times:

Lets see, from what I can tell...AA, UA, KLM, Condor, National (?), DL (possibly?)


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

i see KLM, Finair, UA, LH, AA, JL and Swissair, I cant really see the others.


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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

looks like UTA and Lufthansa also....


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

First line: TIA (Trans International Airlines); KLM; SAS; Swissair; UTA; ONA (Overseas National); Air Afrique; Alitalia; ? ; Sabena; Lufthansa

Second line: Atlantis; Finnair; National; Iberia; Aeromexico ; ? ; ?

Probably also Viasa & Air New Zealand

All customers of the DC-10-30/-30CFs.

[Edited 2007-03-22 02:05:44]

User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 864 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13268 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 4):
First line: TIA (Trans International Airlines); KLM; SAS; Swissair; UTA; ONA (Overseas National); Air Afrique; Alitalia; ? ; Sabena; Lufthansa

Second line: Atlantis; Finnair; National; Iberia; Aeromexico ; ? ; ?

Probably also Viasa & Air New Zealand

OceansWorld named 15 of the 18, which check's against Terry Waddington's DC-10 book, and a DC-10 history website. Additionally Martinair Holland ordered the -30F (CF) in 1972, and Air Zaire and Pakistan International Airlines both made -30 orders in 1973. That would bring us up to 18, assuming those are the 3 add-ons.

-R



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13222 times:

That first DC10-10 that made the first flight on August 29,1970 was delivered to AA over 2 years later in December 1972. Athough the N101AA registration made it look like AA's first DC-10, it was the 25th delivered to AA. It was of course the oldest. It was N10DC when it made the first flight. The AA photo was taken 30 years ago this month.


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User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13092 times:

Thanks to everyone who responded..................!!
Oceans...thanks alot for going by line. This all helps tremendously.


User currently offlineLh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2365 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13072 times:
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What I see is a perfect slide!
The colours are marvelous, the ssaturation and hues are so subtle and perfet, they beat a digital image hands down!
It this sort of appearance you will never achieve with digital sensors.

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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3433 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12795 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
That first DC10-10 that made the first flight on August 29,1970

.... And I was there at LGB to watch it do so....  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5673 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 9):
.... And I was there at LGB to watch it do so....

IAHcsr...what was your impression of CO's first -10's with the black meatball?



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

Quoting Lh526 (Reply 8):
What I see is a perfect slide!
The colours are marvelous, the ssaturation and hues are so subtle and perfet, they beat a digital image hands down!
It this sort of appearance you will never achieve with digital sensors.

Amen to that! Absolutely perfect photography, complementing a (nearly) perfect aircraft.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12764 times:
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Loved the photo , spent ages being puzzled by one thing .

NZ ( or as they were back then , TE ) were one of the earliest customers for the -30 ( IIRC they took delivery of their first one only a couple of months after launch customer KL ) and yet I could not find an NZ/TE 'badge' .

Then , I had my "DOH!" moment , the "Koru" was introduced into the livery with the delivery of ZK-NZL , their first DC-10 , so I was looking for the wrong logo .


Are there any long long long term TE/NZ people out there who can tell me which of the logos on the side was the pre-Koru Air New Zealand one , I assume that it must have been on there somewhere ?



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12514 times:

When growing up, one of my neighbors was a DC-10 project engineer. He was extremely proud of the aircraft - his car and garage was covered with DC-10 logo. When it started experiencing problems, he was devastated. I remember my dad commenting that he thought Larry was going to have a nervous breakdown - very sad.

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12519 times:

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 5):
and Air Zaire and Pakistan International Airlines both made -30 orders in 1973. That would bring us up to 18, assuming those are the 3 add-ons.

But the picture was made June 23rd, 1972, so we can't count this two as customer yet.

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 5):
OceansWorld named 15 of the 18, which check's against Terry Waddington's DC-10 book, and a DC-10 history website. Additionally Martinair Holland ordered the -30F (CF) in 1972

Indeed, MP ordered one DC-10-30CF February 25th, 1972; Viasa ordered two on April 12th & Aeromexico (2) June 6th.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
Are there any long long long term TE/NZ people out there who can tell me which of the logos on the side was the pre-Koru Air New Zealand one , I assume that it must have been on there somewhere ?

The same as the one before the first door, but perhaps pointing to the right. At least I've seen it on a picture of the prototype that went to the Paris Air Show in the early 70s.


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Alright, a bit of history. As off October 1972 orders + options were as follow (according to Interavia):

DC-10-30

AeroMexico 2
Air Afrique 3 + 2
Air New Zealand 3 + 1
Alitalia 4 + 6
Atlantis 2
Finnair 2
Iberia 3 + 5
KLM 6 + 6
Lufthansa 4 + 5
National 5 + 3
SAS 5 + 3
Swissair 6 + 5
UTA 4 + 4
VIASA 2

DC-10-30CF

Martinair 1
Overseas National 3 + 3
Sabena 2 + 4
Trans International 3 + 1


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 12380 times:

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
That first DC10-10 that made the first flight on August 29,1970

.... And I was there at LGB to watch it do so....

I was there for the first MD11 flight and the first C17 flight.


 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Lets see, from what I can tell...AA, UA, KLM, Condor, National (?), DL (possibly?)

There are no logos from AA, UA, DL, etc. on the plane in the photo. They were not DC-10-30 customers.


User currently offlineWoosie From United States of America, joined May 2006, 115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 15):
Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
That first DC10-10 that made the first flight on August 29,1970

.... And I was there at LGB to watch it do so....

I was there for the first MD11 flight and the first C17 flight.

Fair enough - me too! I was there for the entire production run of MD-11s, MD-90s and 717s, including their first flights. I was there for the T-45, MD-10 and C-17A 1st flights too. I'm still there, though working for Boeing.

I'm here to tell you that Boeing is a terrific company; it's exciting to be part of it.

Dougloid - remember how wierd Bldg 84 was during the switch-over from DC-10 to MD-11 - a very big bldg EMPTY!!


User currently offlineC133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 11758 times:
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I'm on a small screen and can't be sure, but is AAL on that picture? They never bought a factory new -30. All that AA had were from the used market. Also, I'm just about positive N101AA was an early delivery (say, 3rd or 4th), not 25th. It was refurbished and delivered as soon as it was released from the certification program. Douglas didn't keep it all that long.


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User currently offlineEALflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 11381 times:

Quoting Cdfmxtech (Thread starter):
Please accurate info only.

You only get accurate info on A-net!  Wink


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 11196 times:

Quoting C133 (Reply 18):
but is AAL on that picture?

No.

Quoting C133 (Reply 18):
They never bought a factory new -30. All that AA had were from the used market.

AA had up to 11 DC-10-30s, all second hands. Four ex. PA; one ex. KLM; one ex. VIASA; one ex. Air Pacific and four ex. Air NZ.

Quoting C133 (Reply 18):
Also, I'm just about positive N101AA was an early delivery (say, 3rd or 4th), not 25th.

Don't go that far.

N101AA rego was first used on the second DC-10 built while it was with the manufacturer. In 1972, this changed to N10DC as that aircraft was kept by MDC as test aircraft until June 1977 when it was delivered to GK.

The original N10DC, DC-10 n° 1 on the production line was delivered to AA as N101AA in December 1972.


User currently offlineAirTran717 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

I have to say, that for myself, the thread title is a bit misleading. It speaks of a DC-10 prototype... this would lead one to believe that it could be a current prototype of some other platform of a plane that is no longer in production, and not the 1974 EIS that is described in the photo. Perhaps in the future, A.net could ask that posters be more specific with thread titles and such. Just my $0.02 worth.

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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 10783 times:

Quoting Woosie (Reply 17):
Fair enough - me too! I was there for the entire production run of MD-11s, MD-90s and 717s, including their first flights. I was there for the T-45, MD-10 and C-17A 1st flights too. I'm still there, though working for Boeing.

I'm here to tell you that Boeing is a terrific company; it's exciting to be part of it.

Dougloid - remember how wierd Bldg 84 was during the switch-over from DC-10 to MD-11 - a very big bldg EMPTY!!

It was pretty empty. I worked there from 1987 to 1992 when I got laid off. I started in development inspection and worked on the MD11, MD80 and C17 development fixtures. My boss Harry Decker was a go getter so his crew moved out into the hangar and I worked a lot of hydraulic runs in 447, got trained on cargo door and passenger door rigging, did the first article inspection on the cargo doors of 447 and ended up on the flight ramp/repair station.

It was a good place to work fo sho.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting AirTran717 (Reply 21):
I have to say, that for myself, the thread title is a bit misleading. It speaks of a DC-10 prototype... this would lead one to believe that it could be a current prototype of some other platform of a plane that is no longer in production, and not the 1974 EIS that is described in the photo. Perhaps in the future, A.net could ask that posters be more specific with thread titles and such. Just my $0.02 worth.

I really don't see any problem with the title. The picture is not just about the 1974 EIS as you say. That information is just an added detail about which airline received the aircraft. It is chiefly the picture of the very first DC-10-30 (prototype) photographed just two days after it has made its maiden flight. And the thread starter is quite clear with his post:

Quoting Cdfmxtech (Thread starter):
Anybody know which airlines logo are shown on this prototype?

You can't put absolutly every details on the title. There's no room for it, and even if you could, what sense would it do ? Nothing but the title ? I believe that most A.net members know pretty well that the DC-10 won't see any major transformation for commercial operators like the two men cockpit change ten years ago, or a whole brand new version that would require a prototype like the one on the picture.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 9821 times:

Quoting Cdfmxtech (Thread starter):
Anybody know which airlines logo are shown on this prototype?

Thanks to OceansWorld here's your answer. 18 stickers ....... 18 customers.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 14):
DC-10-30

AeroMexico
Air Afrique
Air New Zealand
Alitalia
Atlantis
Finnair
Iberia
KLM
Lufthansa
National
SAS
Swissair
UTA
VIASA


DC-10-30CF

Martinair
Overseas National
Sabena
Trans International



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25 C133 : Right you are, OceansWorld! I didn't know this. Ln 1 was test flown as N10DC and delivered to AA as N101AA, while Ln 2 was test flown as N101AA and k
26 OceansWorld : In early December 1972, the first two DC-10s exchanged identities. Initially, Ship One had been fittingly registered as N10DC and Ship Two wore N101A
27 AlecxiA319 : I thought I saw, Lufthansa, T.W.A., and Alitalia AlecxiA319
28 Kiwiandrew : to the best of my knowledge TW never had DC-10 on order , on option , on lease - they were an L-1011 airline
29 AlecxiA319 : Oh, sorry... that's right! AlecxiA319
30 Richierich : Who ordered the Turkish plane that crashed near Paris in 1974? I don't see THY on the list of airlines that ordered the ships from the factory, so I a
31 OceansWorld : TK had DC-10-10s, while this is a DC-10-30. But in fact, TK wasn't the original customer of these aircraft.
32 Braybuddy : Last thing I want to do is sound like an old fogey (okay, I sound like an old fogey), but why is it that, after looking at the beautiful photos above
33 IAHcsr : I didn't join CO until 1988, after the black meatball became red, but the 'pub' interiors were still around for a few years after I showed up. The pu
34 Kiwiandrew : sorry for going OT but I always wondered why they switched the black meatball to red - it never looked as good (IMHO ) , do remember a few cruel joke
35 Post contains images Dougloid : Dude, you gotta get in touch with your inner geezer. Somewhere or other around this joint I've got a little book called "Building an Airliner" and it
36 Ned Kelly : Thanks for that, I always wondered what the reason was why ship #1 was re-registered and delivered to AA as N101AA. Nice story.
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