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Aer Lingus Officially Announce 3 New US Routes  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Well now its official guys!

Dublin - San Francisco starts in October.
Dublin - Orlando [re]starts this Winter.
Dublin - Washington (Dulles) starts this Winter.

[Philledelphia & Dallas will probably follow]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...te-plans-following-open-skies.html



Article in the Irish Times:

Quote:

Aer Lingus welcomes confirmation of Open Skies and announces new US destinations
San Francisco, Orlando and Washington Dulles


Aer Lingus has hailed today's (Thursday, 22 March 2007) ratification of the Open
Skies agreement in Brussels as a momentous development for Irish aviation and
has confirmed plans to commence three new long haul services to the US before
the end of the year.

San Francisco, Orlando and Washington Dulles will become new Aer Lingus
destinations, with services from Dublin to San Francisco expected to start in
October. The expansion will increase Aer Lingus' US destinations from four to
seven and will lead to significantly increased traffic between Ireland and the
US.

Welcoming the confirmation of Open Skies, Dermot Mannion, chief executive of Aer
Lingus said: "Aer Lingus has waited a long time for this momentous day and to be
able to fully exploit the potential to significantly grow long haul traffic
between Ireland and the US. We are taking delivery of two new A330 long haul
aircrafts this summer and, with the proceeds of the IPO, are financially
resourced and strongly positioned to start three new long haul routes to the US
before the end of the year. Finally, Aer Lingus can offer the increased choice
of US destinations that our customers want and that will contribute to the
continued growth of Aer Lingus as a profitable and independent company.


Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer. No new Asian routes until at least next summer.

[Edited 2007-03-22 15:21:42]

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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

M


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 15123 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

Id say we are looking at 3 flights a week initially. After the summer, there will be some additional capacity freed up from the existing A330 fleet also.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14992 times:

Good news! I think that EI made a wise choice by deciding to fly to IAD instead of BWI when it resumes flights to the Washington area. I am surprised that EI chose MCO or MIA. MIA attracts both business and leisure travellers whereas MCO is a tourist destination. EI passengers travelling to Caribbean and Latin American destinations could have transferred in MIA.

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer.

I thought that EI was a loyal Airbus customer, and it is unloading its remaining Boeing aircraft.


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14982 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

Looking at the EI website at the moment, the following schedules are loaded for this winter:

DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

So that means 5 A333 are tied up with daily services, and 1 A332 will swap between LAX and DXB, so that means they have 3 A332 to serve MCO/IAD and SFO. My guess is IAD goes daily and the other 2 aircraft will swap around the SFO/LAX/DXB/MCO network with 1 aircraft to spare.

For next summer, DM (CEO) was on record as saying that if O/S was agreed, they had the ability to bring in 2 A330's for 2008 summer, so I guess that option will be excercised to allow daily services to a few places.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Does JetBlue have a hub in Orlando?

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Hopefully this will nudge the airline towards a 787 order before the summer.

I thought that EI was a loyal Airbus customer, and it is unloading its remaining Boeing aircraft.

All the Boeings are gone, it is currently an all-airbus airline. The order is probably 50:50 between the A350XWB & 787. We will see more A330s ordered in the meantime.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14904 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
The order is probably 50:50 between the A350XWB & 787.

Interesting! I am surprised that EI would start buying Boeing again. I would think that an airline of EI's size would buy aircraft only from one manufacturer to minimize costs and maximize efficiencies.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14860 times:

Will EI codeshare with AA to DFW?

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
Will EI codeshare with AA to DFW?

I think so, they already code share via JFK & ORD.


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

is the MCO flight going to be a charter again? That was extremely frustrating, and seemingly nonsensical that they would label the flight a 'charter' preventing travellers originating stateside from purchasing tickets (when the service didnt differ that drastically from a normal flight from what I've heard). Clearly the bulk of the traffic is coming from the Emerald Isle, but by not allowing us Orlando folk to purchase tickets EI probably lost a couple dozen seats per flight. If they flew out of SFB, it would make sense, but not as much out of MCO IMO.


12 months:pvg hkg bkk doh mxp nce zrh iah lhr gva iad clt lax nrt sin mnl ceb del jai gay vns szx zuh mfm icn can
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27007 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14759 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 9):
is the MCO flight going to be a charter again?

No this agreement means that it will be a normal scheduled flight.

I would like to see EI get the 787 but it will proberbly go to Airbus for various reasons incl . political.

It seems very tight to operate all those routes. If one goes tech they are screwed. Anyway good news for EI anyway.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
I am surprised that EI chose MCO or MIA. MIA attracts both business and leisure travellers whereas MCO is a tourist destination.

Exactly my point and the cruise terminal is at MIA and there is currently a 50% increase Irish cruise passengers in the last few years.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14561 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 1):
Where are the planes?

EI used other carriers to take up their slack this past summer and 2 additional planes are not enough to start 3 new cities. Even if not daily, EI will be hard pressed to get the planes to do these routes unless I have missed several EI deliveries over the winter.

M



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
Looking at the EI website at the moment, the following schedules are loaded for this winter:

DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

So that means 5 A333 are tied up with daily services, and 1 A332 will swap between LAX and DXB, so that means they have 3 A332 to serve MCO/IAD and SFO. My guess is IAD goes daily and the other 2 aircraft will swap around the SFO/LAX/DXB/MCO network with 1 aircraft to spare.

For next summer, DM (CEO) was on record as saying that if O/S was agreed, they had the ability to bring in 2 A330's for 2008 summer, so I guess that option will be excercised to allow daily services to a few places.

I'd be surprised to see them launch IAD as daily. They'll hopefully leave slack in the scheduling, to allow the A330's to take turns getting a new J and some Y improvements!!!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
I would like to see EI get the 787 but it will proberbly go to Airbus for various reasons incl . political.

I dont think EI would go with Airbus for political reasons. I think it'll be a Boeing order, but thats just me!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Exactly my point and the cruise terminal is at MIA and there is currently a 50% increase Irish cruise passengers in the last few years.

MIA could follow, you never know! Maybe they'll code-share with AA on MCO-MIA?


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14395 times:

I'll believe DUB-DFW when I see it but I'd love to see another international carrier at Terminal D!


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14380 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 12):
I'll believe DUB-DFW when I see it but I'd love to see another international carrier at Terminal D!

It will happen some day!


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14316 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
DUB-JFK x 3 daily
DUB-BOS x 1 daily
DUB-ORD x 1 daily
DUB-LAX - 3 times weekly
DUB-DXB - 3 times weekly

According to several other schedules; these are this Summers long haul flights flights:

DUB-DXB - 4x Weekly
DUB-JFK - 2x Daily
DUB-BOS - 2x Daily (1 via SNN)
DUB-LAX - 1x Daily
DUB-ORD - 2x Daily (1 via SNN)


Aer Lingus currently has 7 Airbus A330's:
A330-200s
EI-DAA
EI-DUO (To be delivered)
EI-EWR
EI-LAX

A330-300s
EI-CRK
EI-DUB
EI-DUZ (To be delivered)
EI-JFK
EI-ORD

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14262 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):
According to several other schedules; these are this Summers long haul flights flights:

I was listing next winters schedule, which will allow the 3 new routes to be served with no increase in aircraft (post the 2 that join in May/June) your list is for the summer.

Rgds

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12478 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 14188 times:

Each of the new routes - SFO, IAD and MCO - will be operated 4 times a week (remember that's through the winter, so they'll probably build up to daily by next Summer); 4 wkly to 3 new cities is the equivalent of two aircraft; I'm guessing they'll send a 333 to IAD and a 332 to the other two. Given a pen and paper, we could probably work out how many aircraft they'd actually need; isn't it just GREAT to be able to say this!!!

As for new aircraft, they'll almost certainly need those 330s DM is talking about for next Summer; that's regardless of whether 350s or 787s are chosen.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13956 times:

Does anyone think EI will continue with their tradition and register one of their new A330s EI-SFO?


John@SFO
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6151 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13905 times:

I'd have to agree that DUB-SFO will start at 3 or 4 weekly and upgarde to daily for the busy summer season. San Francisco is a traditionally seasonal destination, thought if EI start bringing in a lot of business traffic, this could change.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13798 times:

What long haul routes do you think EI will add to its route network after IAD, MCO, and SFO? My guesses are PHL, YYZ, and maybe MIA. I have no idea which new long haul destinations EI would consider outside of North America.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

What Asia routes do they have ??

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

Green A330s coming to an airport near you!

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 17):
Does anyone think EI will continue with their tradition and register one of their new A330s EI-SFO?

I would have loved to see it happen but the newest A330 is EI-DAA and the new A330s due in May are EI-DUO and EI-DUZ. I was hoping for EI-DXB and EI-BOS but it looks like the days of special registering of A330s are gone.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13554 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
What Asia routes do they have ??

DUB-DXB


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
What Asia routes do they have ??

Just DXB as IAD380 mentions but rumours were that if OS failed, BKK among others would be announced for 2008 and a few Asia routes were in the EI booking system last year but it disappeared after a few hours.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13400 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 23):

Didn´t they had a NRT flight some years ago , or I´m confounding it with another airline ?


25 Shamrock350 : I doubt it! They may have had a codeshare with someone though. The only long-haul routes outside of the US have been to Canada in the past and curren
26 AerLingusA330 : What's the news with EI updating the interiors of the A330's? Has anything been set and has any work been done? Will the new 330's have a new, updated
27 COERJ : Congrats to EI for expanding their service in America- they will do outstanding on their new routes. Will they be taking away frequencies from SNN at
28 Kaitak : Cullen said in an interview that IAD would be first, then the other two: "Earlier on Thursday, Irish Transport Minister Martin Cullen told Reuters in
29 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Is it compatible with the new company thinking , LCC ? Could be But I still think they had an Asia route maybe it was the HKG , or I´m sleepy Good N
30 MAH4546 : A little surprised they are going with Dulles and Orlando. I would have said Philadelphia and Miami, which was what Aer Lingus was hinting up until ve
31 Kaitak : You're right - absolutely not the end; there are apparently 22 cities (or 19 more, excluding these) where there is a demand/potential for services to
32 MCOflyer : I knew MCO would be back. IAD surprises me. Didn't they fly into BWI at one time? MCOflyer
33 IAD380 : Yes, they did. BWI is a smaller and more user-friendly airport that has more LCC flights. However, regular transatlantic service from BWI usually doe
34 UA772IAD : Why is everyone so surprised? There is no service between Washington-Ireland, and there certainly is a demand for it- in terms of government traffic,
35 MAH4546 : Becaause for the past two years they have been talking about flying to San Francisco, Miami, and Philadelphia. It has nothing to do with the market,
36 FA4B6 : Is it me, or did anyone else find it interesting that MCO, IAD, and SFO are all B6 stations (two of which are large B6 stations)? Or am I reading too
37 SJCRRPAX : Well since they have a partnership with B6, it would be odd if they didn't fly to b6 stations.
38 FA4B6 : What partnership? Nothing is officially announced.
39 Post contains links SJCRRPAX : Maybe I thought it was a done deal because it was in all the newspapers and it seemed to indicate to me it already happened. http://www.upi.com/NewsT
40 Kaitak : It's not a done deal yet; they still have to link up their computers and do all the technical stuff; I guess the commercial people have to work out pr
41 Pilot21 : NW is reported to be in final stages of discussion with DAA to open a Detroit - Dublin route next Spring. However the article in today's Irish Times w
42 Humberside : Any long haul out of SNN?
43 Planemanofnz : I'm pleased to see EI expanding long haul but : - Why Dulles? Why not BWI like before? Even PHL might have proven better, or will EI/US codeshare? - W
44 Shamrock350 : Probably still looking at Africa and Asia but their main aim now is getting US access, this is just the beginning of their long-haul expansion!
45 Gkirk : If rumours are correct, EI will order 14 B787-9s
46 DYK : I was hoping Seattle was going to be one of the cities in the U.S.?
47 Post contains images Af773atmsp : Is MSP a possibility? St. Paul has a big Irish population. Or NW will start MSP-DUB. I would like some green at MSP.
48 Kaitak : Interesting; can you say anymore? Was this from a usually reliable source?
49 COEI2007 : -Why Dulles and not BWI? Maybe Dulles offered EI a better package, or IAD has more potential? -PHL will probably follow, with future expansion -MCO w
50 EI787 : Wow. 14 seems a lot...are we expecting as big an order? I hope they go with the 787's though!
51 Post contains links Rineanna : There was a problem with the FA's unions on this route that led to its cancellation. Source: http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0511/aerlingus.html[Edit
52 EI321 : Problems with staff and crew rests are apparently what put to rest plans for a CPT route a few years back.
53 OA260 : Yes that is exactly what happened and is a shame because it is a very popular route and I think that EI could have done very well on it. Im not too s
54 Kaitak : I think there is sufficient business to be able to have a year-round route, although I think AC have the upper hand here; once we have Open Skies, I w
55 EI321 : So would I. A Vancouver route would be nice.
56 COEI2007 : Maybe YYZ could be operated for summer, and CPT for winter? They are both kind of seasonal routes, YYZ=summer, CPT=winter, so it could work???
57 EI321 : Vancouver might be a good year round route because of the ski resorts in the area. Maybe 3 flights per week. Zoom flys Vancouver - Belfast.
58 OA260 : Well I guess it makes sense, who knows maybe EI should try it . The LTU (Slatterys) charters do quite well although they have been plagued by tech pro
59 BestWestern : All the above schedules ignore the shannon routes
60 EI321 : The talk of Canadian routes is on the presumption of o/s with Canada, in which case SNN will not be in the frame. As for possible route to CPT, the e
61 N1120A : The fact that the 787 is the perfect sized aircraft for EI is probably going to turn that around.
62 AC747 : Any idea how that route does for Zoom ? I have flown from YVR to Belfast once in the past (mid 90's on a Club 747). It was a nice feeling being back
63 Danny : To be clear - these are rumors created by internet forums. Not really. EI is in comfortable situation that they can get both 787 and 350 work for the
64 EI321 : I dont see what the big deal is with the A350XWB being larger than the 787. Remember that Aer Lingus just recently replaced BAE146s & 737-500s with A3
65 JerseyGuy : I too find that interesting especially since I've heard a rumor either here or on Flyertalk that B6 will be expanding its West Coast operations with
66 EI321 : I wonder would EI consider returning to EWR, maybe 3 flights / week initially. That tristar was a nice sight.
67 Sflaflight : But going on that logic, FLL (which is a suburb of MIA - about 18 miles north in a county of 1 million people) is also a B6 key city (jetblues code f
68 MAH4546 : FLL doesn't have slots. Space is tight, but Aer Lingus could go there if they wanted to. That being said, they aren't going to fly to FLL over MIA.
69 Poitin : While I agree with your estimate, EI321, 3 times a week is a bad idea because you end up having potential passengers being unable to fly one of their
70 Post contains images Mk777 : Glad to see another European airline at IAD starting this winter. I guess IAD will get atleast 2 new airlines flying there. EI and QR. Sooner or late
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