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Any Airliner Ordered B777-300 Non ER?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Hi I was wondering if any airline order B777-300 non ER?

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

No t since the 300ER went on sale. The last non ER -300 was delievere to CX this year I believe.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Hi I was wondering if any airline order B777-300 non ER?

These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai

Emirates also has them. In fact, EK has ALL the 777 models every produced by type (ex. for the 77L which it will have later this year)



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

I might have a problem understanding your question, do you mean ever or since the -300ER entered into service? There are quit a few non ER operators of the dash 300 version (JL, NH, SQ, EK, CX, KE, TG) I think some 60 have been delivered. However there are no undelivered orders.


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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai

You're missing a few.

Emirates
Singapore Airlines
Korean Air



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User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai

What´s with Emirates?


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 5):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai

You're missing a few.

Emirates
Singapore Airlines
Korean Air

Thanks, I thought I was missing a few!


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

A total of 60 B777-300 have been ordered and delivered.

JAL x 7
ILFC x 8
Korean x 4
Singapore Airlines x 12
Singapore Leasing x 4
Cathay Pacific x 12
ANA x 7
Thai x 6

Total: 60 frames.


Cathay Pacific was indeed the last airline to receive the B777-300, on the 27th of July, 2006.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):


Quoting AirCanada014:
Hi I was wondering if any airline order B777-300 non ER?

Not since the 300ER went on sale.

That's not true.

Numerous orders have been placed for the -300 non-ER since the -300ER had begun taking orders:

31-May-2000....1 ILFC 777-300
28-Nov-2000....3 ILFC 777-300
28-Nov-2000....1 Singapore Airlines 777-300
29-May-2001....3 Singapore Airlines 777-300
31-May-2002....3 Cathay Pacific 777-300
11-Dec-2002....1 Singapore Airlines 777-300
29-Mar-2004....2 Cathay Pacific 777-300

(Considering the first major order for the -300ER was JAL on 31-Mar-2000 for 8)

Source: Boeing.com

Bryan



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting Maddy (Reply 6):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
These airlines have 773A models:

Japan Airlines
ANA
Cathy Pacific
Thai

What´s with Emirates?

they buy and lease planes and make profits every year.... Wink

...in fact I'm flying on EK's B773 (non-er) DXB-LHR in a few weeks... bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4787 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4286 times:
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are all the ILFC planes with EK??

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

The 777-300 in its basic version seems to be dead, even if it serves a totally different (that is regional) market as the 777-300ER. The 777-300 apparently makes a good successor for the Japanese domestic market formerly ruled by the 747SR, but I expect them to be the first 777s to be dumped by Emirates when the A380s and 773ERs (and hopefully 747-8Is) come into the fleet.
The only airlines I could see ordering more 777-300 "A" are JAL and ANA once they are retiring their 747-400Ds in the next decade.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 12):
The 777-300 in its basic version seems to be dead, even if it serves a totally different (that is regional) market as the 777-300ER. The 777-300 apparently makes a good successor for the Japanese domestic market formerly ruled by the 747SR, but I expect them to be the first 777s to be dumped by Emirates when the A380s and 773ERs (and hopefully 747-8Is) come into the fleet.
The only airlines I could see ordering more 777-300 "A" are JAL and ANA once they are retiring their 747-400Ds in the next decade.

I totally disagree.....while at the moment, the spotlight is on the very capable 773ER, the 773A does have a future as a niche aircraft (it was never a big seller) for markets where airlines need to move lots of passengers on medium haul flights......the types of routes that the 773 is now flying. As demand increases, so will the airlines' need for 773As. For intra-Asia routes up, certain Europe-Africa and Europe-MidEast/Gulf routes, and for other high demand shorter haul routes(like the DXB-India routes), the 773A is ideal.......while the 773ER is one hell of an airplane, but all of that capability comes at a price: its heavier, more expensive to operate on shorter haul segments, and costs much more to purchase/lease. As for fleet flexibility, most airlines prefer a different configuration for medium haul segments and longhaul segments.....even if its the exact same type, airlines cannot rotate all aircraft throughout their system. For example, longhual routes have the latest sleep seats/suites in F/J class, the most advanced IFE, an F class cabin, more seats for J class pax, all things necessary for long haul; on aircraft dedicated to medium haul services, F class may be omitted, different types of J class seating may be offered, etc. Thus, we could see more airlines flying mixed 773A/773ER fleets in the future. Long story short, we will see more 773s ordered and built in the future.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Cathay Pacific was indeed the last airline to receive the B777-300, on the 27th of July, 2006.

Incidentally Cathay being the launch customer was the first to receive the B773 in May 1998.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

wow thanks everyone. I thought most of the 300s where ER not non ERs...

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 15):
wow thanks everyone. I thought most of the 300s where ER not non ERs...

Huh? 60 777-300s have been delivered, but 75 777-300ERs were delivered through February 28th.



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Are there any 777-300 aircraft left to be delivered? Or is it all just 77L, 77W and 772ER models left to be delivered?


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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 17):
Are there any 777-300 aircraft left to be delivered?

 Wink Nope:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 4):
There are quit a few non ER operators of the dash 300 version (JL, NH, SQ, EK, CX, KE, TG) I think some 60 have been delivered. However there are no undelivered orders.



Peet7G
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
the 773A is ideal.......while the 773ER is one hell of an airplane, but all of that capability comes at a price: its heavier, more expensive to operate on shorter haul segments, and costs much more to purchase/lease.

History and recent precedent heavily suggest otherwise.

SQ and TG are perfect examples:
They're rather spend more to "abuse" 772ERs than purchase the 772As that more closely resemble the mission-profile intended for most of their fleet. SQ even goes so far as to publically label most of their 772ERs as non-extended range 772s (for whatever inane reason  Yeah sure)


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 18):
However there are no undelivered orders.

I completely missed that! My mistake! LOL, Thanks for pointing it out  Smile

Is there much difference between maintaining a 773 original and a 773ER (e.g. Singapore Airlines). Apart from the engines, is the maintence the same, or do the difference undercarriage effect the maintence slightly?



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User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

What is the range difference between the non ER 777s and the ER versions?

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 17):
Or is it all just 77L, 77W and 772ER models left to be delivered?

There's still a JL 772 JA773J to be delivered later this spring.

Most people's assessment is that the 772 & 773 in their basic form is dead other than top off orders for 744D replacement from JL & NH but even this seems unlikely.


User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 21):
What is the range difference between the non ER 777s and the ER versions?

Maximum Range For Boeing 777-200A: 9649km
Maximum Range For Boeing 777-200ER: 14316km
Maximum Range For Boeing 777-300A: 11029km
Maximum Range For Boeing 777-300ER: 14594km
Maximum Range For Boeing 777-200LR: 17446km

Taken From Boeing's Website

With Regards,
Alex  wave 


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
History and recent precedent heavily suggest otherwise.

SQ and TG are perfect examples:
They're rather spend more to "abuse" 772ERs than purchase the 772As that more closely resemble the mission-profile intended for most of their fleet. SQ even goes so far as to publically label most of their 772ERs as non-extended range 772s (for whatever inane reason Yeah sure)

Only Singapore supports that. Thai uses their 777-200ERs on long haul routes, and they have 777-200As. Also, Singapore recently leased A330-300s to replace some old (intra-Asia) 777-200ERs. This shows that they are starting to move away from the "one aircraft fits all range" philosophy.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
A total of 60 B777-300 have been ordered and delivered.

JAL x 7
ILFC x 8
Korean x 4
Singapore Airlines x 12
Singapore Leasing x 4
Cathay Pacific x 12
ANA x 7
Thai x 6

Total: 60 frames.

Who got the Singapore Leasing planes? I take it Emirates took all the ILFC?
Also, once enough 777-300ERs are delivered, and the 777-300A leases come off, will Emirates renew them, of let the aircraft go.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 22):
Most people's assessment is that the 772 & 773 in their basic form is dead other than top off orders for 744D replacement from JL & NH but even this seems unlikely.

They what will JL and NH replace their 744Ds with? 777-300A seems like the best option, and it is very unlikely that Boeing will build a 747-8D.


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Launch titles show Asiana and Malaysian as launch customers of the 777-300. What happen to their order?


25 MCOflyer : I thought ASsiana had some 300A or 200A versions. MCOflyer
26 Carpethead : 783 is a candidate. To make a long story short; with 9-abreast seating, it will seat around 300 seats and these can replace the 772 & 773. Then the 7
27 ConcordeBoy : What routes do they use their 772ERs on that their -A market aircraft are incapable of?
28 Emirates773 : ILFC: Boeing 777-31H A6-EMO A6-EMP A6-EMQ A6-EMR A6-EMT A6-EMV A6-EMW A6-EMX SALE (Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise): Boeing 777-31H A6-EMM A6-E
29 Post contains images Norcal773 : So you're not flying on a Merriman, just a MEGA-MASSIVE! Traitor.
30 Post contains images SQNo1 : TG 940 BKK-MXP 00:40-07:20 Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday TG 942 BKK-MXP 09:00-15:40 Sunday TG 941 MXP-BKK 14:30-06:10 + 1 Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday T
31 ConcordeBoy : ...pay closer attention please, that response does not address my question at all.
32 Trex8 : BKK-MXP is 4900nm, won't that be pushing the limits for a 772A or 773?
33 Post contains images BHXDTW : Do they have the early 777-200 A model that Varig has recently disposed of and was the first B777 to be dismantled..?? J
34 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Well, they wouldn't have every 777 model if they didn't now would they? EK operates three 777-200A
35 YULWinterSkies : Guess not : Not exactly a short-haul aircraft... There are plenty of airlines who don't need all that range in their current network.
36 Dutchjet : Understood and agreed, but I am not sure that the 767 story (where airlines lost interest in the A market versions of both the 762 and 763 once the E
37 Ikramerica : Everyone thought the 767 pax was dead too, and yet it's seen some orders, even from Japan. So you never know, there may be a few more 773s left to be
38 ConcordeBoy : only problem being that "the routes" (i.e., those requiring high capacity on relatively short-haul) seem to exist only in Asia, as even more evident
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