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Bmi To Announce US Routes: Place Your Bets  
User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 547 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10972 times:

No surprise that this press release appeared very swiftly... Nigel Turner recently said that no more than three or four would appear each year, so where do you think that beautiful BD livery is going to touch down stateside from LHR first? And are BD in a position to order any more widebodies?

Quote:
bmi praises UK Government’s support of EU-US open skies deal

http://flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/aboutbmi...ssreleases.aspx?year=2007&rid=1107

release date: 22/03/2007

- landmark decision will bring overwhelming benefits of genuine competition to UK travellers

bmi has praised the UK Government for supporting the draft EU-US open skies agreement in a key vote taken today by Douglas Alexander, Secretary of State for Transport at a meeting of the EU’s 27 Member States’ transport ministers in Brussels. A unanimous vote of support was achieved to take the agreement forward, meaning any EU airline can now serve any US destination from anywhere in the EU.

Nigel Turner, chief executive officer of bmi, said: “We applaud the UK Government for taking the interests of UK plc and the UK travelling public seriously and supporting the open skies agreement. This was a brave move in the face of stiff opposition from the two UK airlines that have for years enjoyed a protected transatlantic market from Heathrow.

“We will now see the long-overdue scrapping of the protectionist Bermuda II agreement that limits the number of airlines permitted to fly between Heathrow and the US to four, which was declared unlawful by the European Court of Justice in 2002. The stranglehold has finally been broken.

“Today is a landmark in the history of air links between Europe and the US and the agreement will be a a prelude to global liberalisation of air transport. Millions of travellers will benefit from additional competition, including lower fares and a greater choice of services. UK travellers alone could save up to £250 million a year, as identified by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).

“This decision is a victory for the travelling public. bmi is now ideally placed to take advantage of this major breakthrough and turn into reality our long held ambition to commence services to the US from our main operational hub at Heathrow. This will have a major impact not only on point-to-point traffic to the US but on the network competition that bmi will be able to provide from our wide range of domestic, European and other longhaul services.”

bmi expects to announce shortly details of its first USA services from Heathrow.


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

Where are they getting the aircrafts particularly they're leasing out 330-200 to Virgin Nigeria.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

Expect to see MAN-LAS shifted to LHR-LAS at the first opportunity.

They will want to fly to NYC for sure - as a prestige thing as much as anything. Other than that, look to Star hubs intially making the most sense due to the feed they could get from UA and US.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

This Opensky agreement will put pressure on the already empty large aircraft market and push up leasing rates even more...
There is no way that all the airlines who want to benefit from the new legislation will have all the capacity and metal available to launch those flights.757's with winglets will become a precious comodity...



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

LHR-JFK
LHR-ORD
LHR-MIA
LHR-LAX

and goodbye Manchester!


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10882 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
LHR-JFK
LHR-ORD
LHR-MIA
LHR-LAX

and goodbye Manchester!

Exactly!!!! Manchester wont see BD l/h service for dust!!!!!


User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10865 times:

My theory would be that the airline will juggle two of their existing Airbus A330s; the one A330 which flies from Manchester to the Caribbean and Las Vegas, and the one A330 which flies to Saudi Arabia, instead using these two aircraft to fly trans-Atlantic routes from LHR. The Manchester leisure routes will be easily taken over by the increasingly longhaul-oriented charter airlines, whilst the Saudi routes could potentially be flown each daily, alongside Dammam, with an Airbus A321, using slots from some of their leisure routes which they operate as slot warmers such as the daily ALC or VCE - considering these routes are already well served by the low-cost carriers. bmi will probably also scour the Star Alliance bank of available aircraft and then all other sources for available longhaul Airbus aircraft they can use for longhaul by March 2008. Destinations wise, I'd predict bmi will fly to New York and the Star Alliance hubs in the States. New York - London, one of the busiest longhaul routes in the world, now has no Star Alliance presence following United pulling the route in October, wheras oneworld and Skyteam both have a major presence. With regards to the Star Alliance hubs, UA has been cutting back their London operations over the years, preferring their trans-Pacific operations for the B777s and B747s and probably realising that there's money to be made from selling LHR slots. I'd imagine UA will end up flying twice daily to their American hubs from LHR (and possibly other European hubs), sell any spare slots pocketing a lot of cash, and allowing additional frequencies on their routes to be bolstered by bmi transferring some of their shorthaul slots to longhaul capacity. US Airways will have a tough time getting slots at LHR, so bmi would do well flying to their hubs and codesharing with US.

However it all works out, this is a big year for bmi. The airline will be expanding into trans-Atlantic operations, has bought BMED allowing them to expediate their expansion into the mediumhaul market to the East, and there has been talks of bmi launching routes to Pakistan and re-entering India. If they get it right, it will be a long way from the basket case airline of two years ago.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 6):
and the one A330 which flies to Saudi Arabia, instead using these two aircraft to fly trans-Atlantic routes from LHR.

There isn't a A330 on Saudi - they lease an Arkefly 767.



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User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10804 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 5):
Exactly!!!! Manchester wont see BD l/h service for dust!!!!!

bmi never wanted to set up a longhaul operation from Manchester, it was always the escape plan if Open Skies didn't happen in 2000, and as it didn't bmi launched their Washington and Chicago routes. Whilst we've lost Washington, Toronto and St Lucia, the airline's Chicago route is supposed to be profitable and competitive, despite established competition from American Airlines. I'd expect the LAS route (isn't LAS a US Airways hub?) to be moved to LHR and the Caribbean routes to be dropped, but for ORD to stay, and BD to codeshare with US' flight to PHL.

I think the American Star hubs are; ORD, IAD, PHL, PIT, CLT, DEN, PHX, LAS, LAX, SFO plus bmi will want to launch a JFK route. Now if you flew both of those routes twice daily (though I don't know if Vegas, Pittsburgh or Charlotte require twice daily service) you'd require 22 pairs of slots but how many aircraft?


User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

All i'll say is... When you've cocked it up BMI, like you have done everywhere else, don't come back to MAN, cause UA will pick up ORD if they've any sense and VS will take the leisure routes, so best of luck and tatty bye.

Oh and we won't be using you out of LHR because the place is a dump!

Alternatively, you could leave LHR to go into meltdown with everyone else fighting like children and build a proper cohesive plan to hub somewhere else.... Naaaaah, it'll never work!


User currently offlineLite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 7):
There isn't a A330 on Saudi - they lease an Arkefly 767.

At the moment the route is operated by the TUI Boeing 767, but when the aircraft currently leased to virgin nigeria returns, that is apparently planned to operate on the Saudi routes with a larger business class cabin and smaller premium economy cabin.


User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10605 times:

Quoting Lite (Reply 10):
At the moment the route is operated by the TUI Boeing 767, but when the aircraft currently leased to virgin nigeria returns, that is apparently planned to operate on the Saudi routes with a larger business class cabin and smaller premium economy cabin

Another great BMI idea, thus not allowing cross-fertilisation of the fleet and pissing all your customers off when it goes tech!

You couldn't possibly dream it!


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
LHR-JFK
LHR-ORD
LHR-MIA
LHR-LAX

Add LHR-SFO to those.


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

I am actually surprised that BMI said will be making an announcement soon as the EU-US deal will not go ahead until Spring 2008. Am I missing something here?

There is plenty of time for BMI and other operators to reach deals with leasing companies for extra long haul planes. This of course can happen provided that the leasing companies have planes in stock or on order.



CY@Uk
User currently offlineBmiexpat From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 11):
Another great BMI idea, thus not allowing cross-fertilisation of the fleet and pissing all your customers off when it goes tech!

I think you'll find that that is the case already, the Arkefly aircraft is the only one in the fleet in that config, and things seem to be working out OK so far. The Saudi routes are highly successful for bmi, both in terms of premium passengers and cargo.

By returning the A330 to the Saudi routes, bmi will be improving the C class cabin offering even more, with lie flat beds and better on board service...... so it sounds like a very good idea to me.

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 9):
don't come back to MAN, cause UA will pick up ORD if they've any sense

I think UA have more important things to think about that flying ORDMAN, like launching DENLHR. After many years of scaling back their flights to the UK, I don't see them rushing to the UK regions.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
Expect to see MAN-LAS shifted to LHR-LAS at the first opportunity.

With all due respect to LAS, LHR-LAS would surely be lower yielding for bmi than some other US cities and therefore a 'waste' of bmi's very small long haul aircraft fleet. Unless theres some lucrative contract BD have?

Quoting Lite (Reply 6):
The Manchester leisure routes will be easily taken over by the increasingly longhaul-oriented charter airlines,

Or VS - dont forget Virgin Holidays take a lot of seats on those routes

Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 9):
All i'll say is... When you've cocked it up BMI, like you have done everywhere else, don't come back to MAN, cause UA will pick up ORD if they've any sense

Im not sure if UA have suitable spare aircraft



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User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10206 times:

Weren't BD suppose to pick up 2 A340's from LH? anybody know when this fleet statment will be for 20 aircraft plus 20 options? think the 1st one will be LHR-JFK taking on the route from UA, then followed by LAX , SFO, and BOS. - MAN to Chicago will stay thats about the only longhaul route thats making money. come on BD lets see a big turn around now for your customers.!


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User currently offlineQXFLYINGCOUG From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

Although it isn't likely, I'd like to see a MAN-SEA route! I think we already have LHR covered with BA.


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User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Hope to see a PDX flight to LHR.......................

User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

I can't help feeling that LHR-JFK is going to be too cut-throat a route to start off with... knowing Sir MB and bmi they'll probably have a crack at it straight off for the prestige and then realise twelve months down the line that they do not have the frequency or to make it work. Maybe in a couple of years, but I suspect that BD's strongest hand is to start bashing a carefully chosen handful of the Star Alliance American hubs:

United Hubs: ORD, DEN, SFO, LAX, IAD
US Airways Hubs: CLT, PHL, PHX, PIT, LAX

So if anyone is working late in Donnington tonight, in 'year one' I'm looking forward to seeing:

LHR-ORD
LHR-IAD
LHR-DEN
LHR-SFO

I really can't imagine BD being serious about of any these without a few more A330 (heck, why not an A380, Airbus might do a deal do get some good press after a bad few months and that's one livery she'd look sweet in). So assuming that new a/c are on the way, I'd hope that some longhaul presence at Manchester is maintained. MAN-ORD and MAN-LAX are reaching maturity and doing well, although admittedly that's usually when BD pull the plug on anything.

Pick up a copy of the bmi in flight magazine and you'll find that the route maps at the back are a bit of a mess. Painfully few European routes and a confusing mish-mash of codeshare routes masking BD's weaknesses. With the acquisition of BMED (very important: note that subject to approval, BA wants to be codesharing on all of these for the foreseeable future) and a couple of key LHR transatlantic routes on the way, BD has suddenly turned a corner...

...we just have to wait and see if they **** it up again  duck 

*j*


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9953 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 5):
Exactly!!!! Manchester wont see BD l/h service for dust!!!!!



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
and goodbye Manchester!

Unfortunate but in the long term most proberbly true!!!

I would be glad to see LHR-MIA and LHR-JFK and LHR-LAS and as a Gold card holder with BMI it adds to the list of routes I can get miles on.


User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Hi,

I'd place my bets on a LHR-LAS, for sure. As for new cities, IAH could be a good one. Seeing as there's no direct service to LHR, it could work. Especially if CO's application for the route fails.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
LHR-MIA

I think there's too many flights from LHR already. 2x Daily BA and 1x Daily VS(?).

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9921 times:
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OT I know , but doesnt LH have some sort of deal with SMB where they have first preference on purchasing the rest of BD ? I would think that open skies would make it a much more attractive purchase


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
They will want to fly to NYC for sure - as a prestige thing as much as anything.

...though BD has been stating for years they wanted LHR-JFK, "prestige" certainly isn't one of the reasons why...which never paid the bills anyway... Wink

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
LHR-ORD

with AA, BA, UA, AI, and now VS entering LHR-ORD unlessBD route planners are total buffoons, I highly doubt they will start LHR-ORD services, as MAN-ORD is one of their most profitable routes.....



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32897 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

When they first wanted to fly LHR-USA, they wanted Seattle, Denver, Miami, and Chicago, IIRC.

I think we will see Washington, Chicago, and maybe Miami and Las Vegas (replacing MAN) at launch. West coast requires to much aircraft utilization and doesn't provide as strong yields. LHR-LAX is also very well served, as is LON-NYC, which is why I don't think we will see them at first. I can realisticly see bmi flying to 10-12 US cities within 4-5 years.



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25 Zkojh : Hope to see LHR to BDA, then i can see my sister ..
26 Pe@rson : About time El Paso had a daily non-stop link to London, preferably Heathrow. However, one issue bugs me: would the 330 be sufficiently large?
27 FlyDreamliner : UA does not quite have the terrible widebody shortage some of the other major US airlines do, UA still has more widebody capacity it can juice out of
28 MCOflyer : LHR-PHL, LHR-LAS is my bet. If they want to compete with BA and VS, go for MCO from LHR. MCOflyer
29 Drerx7 : We'd love to see them along with VS down here at IAH--however, don't expect COs application to fail and BA will throw a 744 to LHR as soon as possibl
30 Jfk777 : First let BMI find any available A330 it can gets its hands on, there aren't many around to be had. May be Virgin Atlantic with its spare A343's could
31 MAH4546 : BA has a hard enough time competing with VS. I doubt bmi wants to join in on that.
32 Walter747 : $10 on BOS................ Cheers, Justin
33 IAHFLYER : Come on IAH-MAN!!!! IAH could use a 2nd nonstop to the UK.
34 Lite : I'd have thought with Lufthansa owning 30% of bmi, they would be keen to use the relatively strong bmi brand to make the best of longhaul expansion ou
35 Post contains images AH332 : I thought BA's service to IAH was via ORD not DTW? Is there enough slots for CO to even begin operating to LHR? Maybe with the new T5 opening, but I
36 Drerx7 : Originally the flight was LHR-IAD-IAH with 744, then it went LHR-ORD-IAH with 777, now its LHR-DTW-IAH with 763. They'll probably buy some from other
37 Lite : T5 opens at the end of March next year, and will only provide more aircraft parking stands and terminal space, it will not provide additional slots,
38 Gkirk : First Choice Airways are already FAR better than BA/BD/VS etc on long haul routes. As are MyTravel, Monarch, Thomas Cook etc. Who gives a toss about B
39 Steeler83 : I was going to start a thread about this, but somebody beat me to it... Why would they go into BA strongholds? BA would eat BMI's hide on LHR-JFK... m
40 FlyLKU : We flew BMI IAD-MAN on the A330 and then for a time they had an Icelandic 757 leased on the route before they dropped it all together. I can't see the
41 Steeler83 : Anyone know if ACAA will visit BMI???
42 Post contains images KPDX : LHR-PDX Wishful thinking, KPDX
43 Post contains images Af773atmsp : I wonder if they came to MSP? One person said that the MSP-LGW-MSP flight is good enough. MSP is also a Sky Team hub. NW will not like a blue tail at
44 Thomasphoto60 : I recall seeing IAH on BD's wish list as well when announced in the late 90s. That said, IAH probably could not support another London flight, and I
45 Post contains images EYFlyer88 : I would like to see BD on the MIA-LHR market. Right now there are BA/AA/VS. VS has 1X daily, BA 2X daily, and AA I think has 2X daily also? 5 daily f
46 Post contains images AH332 : Thanks for the clarification guys! Cheers, Imad
47 MCOflyer : Gives AA a run for the money. See my PM. I'll add $5.00 on BOS/ LAS- LHR. MCOflyer
48 Scotron11 : Destinations wise, I'd predict bmi will fly to New York and the Star Alliance hubs in the States. New York - London, one of the busiest longhaul rout
49 Kiwiandrew : In spite of the agreements being called Bermuda I and Bermuda II they had nothing to do with Bermuda . This is an open skies agreement between the US
50 Post contains images Aussiestu : Thats a joke right
51 Post contains images UAL777UK : My LHR-BOS LHR-JFK, although to make this work it needs to be at least a twice daily flight to look half attractive to O&D and Star connections etc. I
52 ManchesterMAN : I very highly doubt they would operate LHR-JFK, just as I very highly doubt they would drop MAN-ORD. I wonder if they could sign a codeshare agreement
53 Post contains images Steeler83 : I wonder if US would still want to do PHX-LHR with an A340, considering they even acquire the aircraft from Air Canada, if BMI was to do that. Make i
54 STT757 : Here's my list: Newark (larger Star Presence than JFK) Las Vegas Los Angeles Chicago Washington Dulles Miami San Francisco Seattle
55 Jfk777 : BMI will be the most surprising new LHR airline to the USA, it has so many slots it could fly to any city as often as it wishes. BMI should buy the Ai
56 Steeler83 : Yeah, I am not sure why so many are thinking JFK. I keep thinking, "isn't LHR-JFK saturated as it is? BA and AA must have well over a dozen daily fli
57 Post contains images Jacobin777 : they've been on record for years that they wanted to start LHR-JFK.....so I have to disagree with you there..but as I mentioned above, I doubt they w
58 MEACEDAR : LHR-MCO----I know, I know, VS and BA offer routes but not from LHR only from LGW. LHR-PHL LHR-RDU LHR-DET I don't think they are going to go for place
59 ManchesterMAN : Well logic suggests that to make JFK work you need multiple frequencies (wasn't this UAs problem?) BD do not look like being in the position to provi
60 Steeler83 : Regarding your statement here, could we rule out PHL, BOS, IAD, ORD, etc... providing that there are quite a few frequencies into these markets alrea
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...hey, in theory, I absolutely agree with you....but part of UA's problem was that UA isn't strong on either side of the pond on the JFK-LHR route..
62 Dolphinflyer : It doesn't make sense for 3 UK carriers (BA, VS, BD) to all be serving LHR nonstop to the likes of BOS/NYC/WAS/CHI/LAX, etc. It would be overkill and
63 Mk777 : I really enjoyed BD's service from IAD-MAN-IAD when i went to visit my sister in 2004. I don't know why BD stopped that service, i guess not a lot of
64 Bmiexpat : LHR-US accounts for 40% of the EU-US market, plenty of room for another UK operator, especially one with a reputation for battling against establishe
65 David_itl : And retiring hurt after getting a battering on routes where they were a new entrant?
66 PavlovsDog : Relative to what, Olympic? If anything Bmi has a negative image in the degree that people outside of the UK even know they exist.
67 Bmiexpat : Retiring hurt after getting a battering on what routes.... MANIAD - lack of suitable aircraft, after A330 pinched for LHR operation, not battered by
68 Bmiexpat : In the markets they serve, bmi has a very good reputation. The ORDMAN route carries quite a few yanks to the UK, and bmi has won awards for it's long
69 David_itl : As a rough guide to their previous thinking, I've got the following destinations as having been applied from from MAN from 1999 to 2001: New York, Los
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : a few things mate... 1) rather than running both city codes together, if you can add a "-" in between...i.e. such as LHR-BOM..it makes for reading a
71 Bmiexpat : As has been discussed on this board many times already, operating LON PAR is fighting a losing battle these days. With the high speed Eurostar rail l
72 Jacobin777 : ...more than enough high-yield pax...hence why carriers such as SQ, PK, EK, EY, AC, LH etc. all fly to MAN.... all of those routes flown by the afore
73 Bmiexpat : All of which have large hubs at the other end of the routes with which to connect passengers to. There will be very low numbers of O&D passengers on
74 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...but they have the advantage of having fellow Star Alliance Partner UA, which they use quite extensively at for example ORD.....then there are alli
75 Steeler83 : My thoughts almost entirely... I would like to see them expand LHR to the US, but not to routes that already have service to the point of saturation,
76 Bmiexpat : bmi has not said anything about destinations as yet. The only reference you can make is to their wish list they announced many many years ago, pre 9/
77 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...they have said it post 9/11 also, I've read it in a few places.. ..of course, its obvious we won't know where they will fly to until we hear somet
78 Steeler83 : Just curious, what did UA fly on JFK-LHR? Were they T7s and 747s, or were they 767s, or a mix of the three? I guess it really doesn't matter. They wer
79 Treebeard787 : They seem to have flown it with B777s.[Edited 2007-03-24 17:09:27]
80 Steeler83 : That's what I thought. So if UA could not do it with 777s, how could BMI possibly pull off LHR-JFK with A330s?
81 Flyorski : HAHA It would be great, but I doubt there are enough Star connections in MSP. I would not be surprised to see BMI get a bunch of aircraft from LH if
82 Post contains images Steeler83 : Perhaps BMI could get 744s or A340s when they get the A380 and 748I???
83 Post contains images Af773atmsp : Not to get off topic but now that the Open Skies Agreement has been approved, will BA serve MSP? Does BMI fly to LAX? If not then I think LAX or maybe
84 Steeler83 : Yeah, but it has been discussed before that markets like LAX and SFO would probably seem UNlikely because of existing competitive service from BA. I
85 Legacyins : Both LAX and SFO are covered well with flights to LHR with multiple frequencies. LAX has AA,BA,VS,NZ,UA SFO has BA,VS,UA
86 Post contains images Steeler83 : Thanks for confirming my above statements.
87 Post contains links David_itl : From today's Observer BMI expected to use slots used for domestic routes to begin transatlantic service Three routes: Chicago, Charlotte, New York Thr
88 IADLHR : How about PHX-LHR? From what I have heard and read HP wont have the aircraft to serve LHR until about 2011 or so. So maybe PHX-LHR is a possibility.
89 Steeler83 : Yeah, make that 2013 or so, unless US can secure those A340s from Air Canada. Other than that, I see PHX as a possibility...
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